Is transgender a lie?

[Cute Tink]

After reading some of the replies here, I went on YouTube and watched a documentary on the subject and I have to say it kind of tore me up on the subject. On the one hand, I feel that this whole transgender stuff has a lot to do with confused children trying to fit in. But apparently sometimes doctors actually misdiagnosed a child's gender at birth the poor souls. I feel like science is the problem here. Getting children to take artificial hormones to be more like the other sex is craziness.

Children generally don't take hormones. All children are allowed to do is suppress the hormones produced by their bodies.

I don't see how it has anything to do with fitting in, though, since it tends to make us outcasts. Perhaps you could explain?

 

[Strathos]

Catholics, or any other denomination, don't universally agree on anything whatsoever concerning God, the Bible, or Salvation.

I think they all universally agree that God exists.

 

[StephanieSomer]

After reading some of the replies here, I went on YouTube and watched a documentary on the subject and I have to say it kind of tore me up on the subject. On the one hand, I feel that this whole transgender stuff has a lot to do with confused children trying to fit in. But apparently sometimes doctors actually misdiagnosed a child's gender at birth the poor souls. I feel like science is the problem here. Getting children to take artificial hormones to be more like the other sex is craziness.

May I suggest you do more than watch what somebody posted on Youtube to determine an opinion. That's quite the problem. Too many people go to a single source, read or see one thing, then make up their mind. There's no way anyone could make an informed opinion on a Youtube video.

 

[StephanieSomer]

I think they all universally agree that God exists.

You mean you've never known anyone in any denomination that didn't believe in the existence of God? I've met plenty. You'd be surprised how many people attend church simply for the good feeling or the support it gives them in keeping control over their kids.
Kids, you know what God says......."

 

[jennimatts]

Well, in the movie the character is delusional and really believes some things when the reality is different. So, we can't question the fact that he is convinced in his own mind the rat is a puppy. But, if you look at the rat, it appears like a rat. If you test it's DNA, it comes out as a rat. It sounds like a rat. In fact, the only thing that supposedly makes it a puppy is his honest opinion. Problem is, outside of his subjective opinion, there is nothing objectively true about his claim.

Your rat-puppy comparison is invalid because it was some other delusional (third-person) character that went around telling everyone that the rat was something it's not.

A more accurate comparison to the rat-puppy would be the way that you go around telling everyone that transgender women are delusional.

 

[jennimatts]

I am against LGBT for many reasons. For one, it is utterly against Christianity.

Please explain... How is the scripture is utterly against transgender persons while at the same time the Bible includes a blessing and special promise for those with deformed, mutilated, or modified genitalia who trust in God?

 

[jennimatts]

Is there anything in history that has spoken of this?

There are a few things to consider here, to say the least. The prime one being that a sex change being mandatory to prevent some drastic action should have some history- being that such a medical procedure has only existed for what, a few decades at most?

Nothing about it makes sense, because it is indeed nonsensical.

1869 - The first medical paper on transsexuality was published.
1919 - The first clinic to serve transgender people regularly.
1930 - The first publically-known recipient of an SRS surgery.

 

[jennimatts]

How is it a trick? Once they go through with it, in my eyes they are that gender. My best friend is transitioning. They are waiting until after college to start using hormones, but they have already bought clothes and have asked to be called by a different name. They aren't out to "trick" anyone, they are just being themselves the way they truly are.

And, I haven't been following this whole thing so can you give me a list as to why this is bad (outside of your religion, since both me and my friend do not believe in any gods)?

How about a defense of transitioning from a Christian perspective? We can look at eunuchs for some guidance.

For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their
mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made
eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made
themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake.
He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.
Matthew 19:12 (NKJV)

-and-

For thus says the Lord: To the eunuchs who keep My
Sabbaths, and choose what pleases Me, and hold fast
My covenant, even to them I will give in My house and
within My walls a place and a name better than that of
sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting
name that shall not be cut off.
Isaiah 56:4-5 (NKJV)

The eunuch clearly had a condition of either deformed, modified or removed genitalia, and is therefore quite similar to the situation of a transperson. God has promised a special name and place within His house for the eunuch that is faithful to God, and I believe that also applies to transpeople who are faithful to God.

 

[jennimatts]

...

Believers of the Holy Christ, who paid a mighty penalty we cannot imagine, has taught LGBT to be sinful.

What do you do with that? Just run over it?

Where in the scripture are the words of the Messiah teaching on LGBT being sinful?

 

[madaz]

Even on this site, atheists are primarily about two things it seems- the existence of God -or- LGBT.
~It is an observational fact~

Perhaps you should socialise more often with atheists in real life?

This is a Christian site, so of course people will naturally discuss god (its existence) and other demographics of people that Christians seperate themselves from.

Most conscientious atheists are simply just supportive of basic human rights and equality because they disagree with the prejudice and persecution inflicted upon fellow human beings by dogma obsessed theists.

 

[Ruthie24]

I've been told men and women who want to be women and men get operations and take drugs so they look like what they are not born as. Isn't this a lie? Lets say they succeed in not looking like what they were born as and they go meet someone. What then? Do they tell them they can't have children because they have misrepresented themselves or do they live the lie?

There are some people whose biochemistry are genuinely distorted. The make up in their chemistry makes them believe they are a woman or man inside when they have the opposite sex organs. They have a genuine disorder (sexual identity disorder). Also sometimes familial upbringing has a lot to do with sexual gender identity. There have been cases where girls and boys were raised as the opposite sex and made to believe etc they were the opposite sex. So I think it's the way a child is brought up as well as a distinct gender disorder in the brain. Gender identity disorder is listed in the DSM-IV.

 

[jennimatts]

I've got a question and a challenge for the Christians who very strongly believe that being transgender is sinful...

It's easy to get online and say how evil transpeople are, but have you ever prayed for a transgender person... by name? There are a few to choose from here on this thread.

I challenge you to do this - pray sincerely and often for a transperson - not for God's wrath, nor for them to recognize how vile they are (as many transpeople likely would expect), but pray for those that believe in God to be faithful, and for those who do not, that perhaps they would experience Gods great love, mercy, and grace, and that they will come to know and believe in Him.

I think (and believe) that praying for transpeople will have a profound effect on your perspective, to help you recognize that we are all humans in need of salvation, because all have sinned and none of us are righteous on our own. It doesn't really matter what the sin is; all sin is an abomination. Yet God made a way for all of us vile sinners to be forgiven, and made righteous by confessing our sin and by believing in Jesus our Messiah we will be saved. The Christian must not lose sight of this reality and think more highly of themselves than they ought.

I pray that all of you who believe will seek to be a conduit for Gods great love, mercy, and grace.

 

[Marius27]

Because the proposition is that a woman can be born in a male body.

Considering all males start as female, why is that such a hard concept for you to grasp? We already know people can be both male and female. It's really not a stretch, you're just obviously rather ignorant of biology.

 

[cutekittycat]

Considering all males start as female, why is that such a hard concept for you to grasp? We already know people can be both male and female. It's really not a stretch, you're just obviously rather ignorant of biology.

that is not what the bible sais tho....

I've got a question and a challenge for the Christians who very strongly believe that being transgender is sinful...

It's easy to get online and say how evil transpeople are, but have you ever prayed for a transgender person... by name? There are a few to choose from here on this thread.

I challenge you to do this - pray sincerely and often for a transperson - not for God's wrath, nor for them to recognize how vile they are (as many transpeople likely would expect), but pray for those that believe in God to be faithful, and for those who do not, that perhaps they would experience Gods great love, mercy, and grace, and that they will come to know and believe in Him.

why would they? pray for transpeople, i mean? lost cause because teh trans would not listen to the Word.
it is for THEM to decide and it is THEIR decision. they do not want to be "cured"... seems clear. it is no matter to us. as long as they do not shove a dick up the ass, yes?

there are already the hatred spewed around here from those who oppose. as far as they are concerned, it is better for these "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]" to rid of themselves (or other forces to do so), thus these abominations will know that they are wrong because it is the pits they are going. the lesser these people exists, the better it is for the world to not be tricked and be able to focus and honor how magnificant God is..

amirite?

we should pray for God to let these people know what is WRONG.
having compassion only will let them astray more.

 

[cutekittycat]

sort of diverting back to the original OP discussion.

question for the transmen and transwomen here that has been in a relationship (or relationships) pre or post.

what does the other person think?

generally, i always had this notion that anyone who is willing to date a trans-person are essentially chasers who is into this type "fetish" - an unfortunate bi-product of being mislead and misunderstood from the hype of media and other beliefs.

however, i have heard of people who's feelings are genunine. either they do not care or they truely see a person as who they really are (MTF as women; FTM as men).

how about the SOs? the ones who had a family and then decide to transition? how are they taking it?

sorry if i am getting a bit too personal.... share if you wish, or not if you feel uncomfortable....

i am not qualified to answer the OP because i have not been in a relationship before.
i only know, however, that my compass does point to the "wrong direction".
i do not think i will feel deceived should i date a MTF (sorry for the labelling). i suspect that it will be just as i am dating a cis... but, yea... like i said.. i donno...

 

[Cute Tink]

sort of diverting back to the original OP discussion.

question for the transmen and transwomen here that has been in a relationship (or relationships) pre or post.

what does the other person think?

generally, i always had this notion that anyone who is willing to date a trans-person are essentially chasers who is into this type "fetish" - an unfortunate bi-product of being mislead and misunderstood from the hype of media and other beliefs.

however, i have heard of people who's feelings are genunine. either they do not care or they truely see a person as who they really are (MTF as women; FTM as men).

how about the SOs? the ones who had a family and then decide to transition? how are they taking it?

sorry if i am getting a bit too personal.... share if you wish, or not if you feel uncomfortable....

i am not qualified to answer the OP because i have not been in a relationship before.
i only know, however, that my compass does point to the "wrong direction".
i do not think i will feel deceived should i date a MTF (sorry for the labelling). i suspect that it will be just as i am dating a cis... but, yea... like i said.. i donno...

Considering that I have mostly encountered chasers at this point (ugh) and I haven't developed an actual dating relationship (not that I'm trying either), I dunno personally.

However, I can say that I do see my friends as male or female as they identify and think of them as such.

But that's my 2 cents.

 

[cutekittycat]

Considering that I have mostly encountered chasers at this point (ugh) and I haven't developed an actual dating relationship (not that I'm trying either), I dunno personally.

However, I can say that I do see my friends as male or female as they identify and think of them as such.

But that's my 2 cents.

yea, chasers are not fun...
thx!

 

[jennimatts]

...I've been an alocholic forever now...

Did I drunk post last night?

Yes, yes I did.

I got hammered last night

Well, I suppose it's true nonetheless. I do drink a lot, something that I need to work on...

This is evidence that Sky is human. Not conclusive evidence, mind you, but evidence nevertheless.

 

[cutekittycat]

he claimed that he is an alcoholic... i think we should brain scan him just to be sure.

could be a delusion.

 

[poolerboy0077]

You mean you've never known anyone in any denomination that didn't believe in the existence of God? I've met plenty. You'd be surprised how many people attend church simply for the good feeling or the support it gives them in keeping control over their kids.
Kids, you know what God says......."

He responded to your term "Catholic," not mere churchgoers. To be a Christian, either Protestant or Catholic, one must at the very least be a theist for the word to mean anything at all.