Is transgender a lie?

[Autumnleaf]

I would suggest, then, that you don't understand and that's not what it's like.

How is it different? If all your life you have felt like a box and believed you were a box in a woman's body then its exactly the same.

 

[Cute Tink]

How is it different? If all your life you have felt like a box and believed you were a box in a woman's body then its exactly the same.

For one, boxes aren't human. Boxes are incapable of speaking, don't need sustenance. This comparison is even further off than the trans species examples usually provided because boxes aren't even alive.

And I'm still waiting to find out what mortal sin I'm committing by transitioning.

 

[abacabb3]

Then I bid you good day. I have no interest in discussing your video because this is not the same situation.

How is it honestly different?

 

[Autumnleaf]

For one, boxes aren't human. Boxes are incapable of speaking, don't need sustenance. This comparison is even further off than the trans species examples usually provided because boxes aren't even alive.

Its exactly the same if the sincerity is there. If someone called you something you are not you would probably be offended. Yet, people choose to call themselves something they are not and to try to be something they are not. Is acceptance so difficult?

 

[Andrea411]

I'll just let you argue with yourself here. Let us know who wins.

It is easy to hand-wave stuff away. Things get more interesting when one can make a consistent set of arguments for or against something. That's obviously not happening here - this is just head in the sand "is not"! knee-jerkery.

It is only easy for those not within the issue. For anyone dealing with transgender issues it is extremely personal... they deal with society, family, their own identity and God. To think they are unfamiliar with the concept that what they are doing might be unacceptable is just plain ignorance. I may not know what they struggle with but put yourself in their shoes for a moment. What if that happened to you or someone you really loved, your child, sibling or parent. It might not change what you think scripturally but it should change they way you deal as far as being respectful of these people with real life and death issues that should not be waved off handily.
How do you get a consistent set of arguments when everyone as an individual experiences these things in their own way?
God bless, andrea

 

[Cute Tink]

How is it honestly different?

Different species is more than a little different than different gender. Also, and I am just assuming here, but there is probably absolutely no reason other than being difficult that the person is claiming the rat is a dog.

 

[GenetoJean]

Its exactly the same if the sincerity is there. If someone called you something you are not you would probably be offended. Yet, people choose to call themselves something they are not and to try to be something they are not. Is acceptance so difficult?

Acceptance of myself as a male has been impossible. I went to at least 5 churches and 2 therapists trying to gain that acceptance of myself to no avail.

 

[Cute Tink]

Its exactly the same if the sincerity is there. If someone called you something you are not you would probably be offended. Yet, people choose to call themselves something they are not and to try to be something they are not. Is acceptance so difficult?

AL, your understanding is very uninformed. It's time for you to research the issue rather than argue from a place lacking information.

The sincerity is actually ironic because boxes cannot talk. Instead of trying to come up with another quaint but wholly inadequate comparison, you could try addressing the actual issue.

Third time: why is transition a mortal sin?

 

[abacabb3]

Different species is more than a little different than different gender. Also, and I am just assuming here, but there is probably absolutely no reason other than being difficult that the person is claiming the rat is a dog.

Well, in the movie the character is delusional and really believes some things when the reality is different. So, we can't question the fact that he is convinced in his own mind the rat is a puppy. But, if you look at the rat, it appears like a rat. If you test it's DNA, it comes out as a rat. It sounds like a rat. In fact, the only thing that supposedly makes it a puppy is his honest opinion. Problem is, outside of his subjective opinion, there is nothing objectively true about his claim.

 

[Cute Tink]

Well, in the movie the character is delusional and really believes some things when the reality is different. So, we can't question the fact that he is convinced in his own mind the rat is a puppy. But, if you look at the rat, it appears like a rat. If you test it's DNA, it comes out as a rat. It sounds like a rat. In fact, the only thing that supposedly makes it a puppy is his honest opinion. Problem is, outside of his subjective opinion, there is nothing objectively true about his claim.

Let's just say at this point that I understand why you think it's a valid comparison. However, we depart at the idea that there is no objective truth to the trans situation

 

[abacabb3]

Let's just say at this point that I understand why you think it's a valid comparison. However, we depart at the idea that there is no objective truth to the trans situation

Okay, that's fine. What is measurably true about transgenderism then? WHat criteria can be empirically tested and verified?

 

[Skybringr]

I'll just let you argue with yourself here. Let us know who wins.

It is easy to hand-wave stuff away. Things get more interesting when one can make a consistent set of arguments for or against something. That's obviously not happening here - this is just head in the sand "is not"! knee-jerkery.

I love how atheists are all about empirical evidence and are absurdly difficult to talk to on just about anything no matter how simple.

But with the lacking evidence of transgenders, or anything liberal, you all blindly accept it

Go figure. I guess all that liberal nonsense is in fact- liberal nonsense.

 

[Skybringr]

Okay, that's fine. What is measurably true about transgenderism then? WHat criteria can be empirically tested and verified?

There isn't any. We've been wasting away at this subject for over a long time now, and they've presented is speculation, absolutely no conclusive evidence, and emotional arguments.

They've also, multiple times, simply just tried to go around and be dishonest about that fact and deny even the simplest of observations.

It is obvious that they live in a corruption, a lie, and do not plan to ever admit it. I say just leave them to it.

 

[Reeniee]

Not to nitpick, but we are discussing transsexuals mainly because that is the transgender subgroup that actually proceeds to alter our bodies.

But your point is well made

Is a "Transsexual" someone who is Transgender and transitions, whilst a Transgender individual may or may not have transitioned? Just trying to get the terminology clear, as I thought that they meant the same thing, but Transsexual was an outdated term. Just trying to make sure that I don't use the wrong terms and spread confusion, thanks!

 

[GenetoJean]

There isn't any. We've been wasting away at this subject for over a long time now, and they've presented is speculation, absolutely no conclusive evidence, and emotional arguments.

They've also, multiple times, simply just tried to go around and be dishonest about that fact and deny even the simplest of observations.

It is obvious that they live in a corruption, a lie, and do not plan to ever admit it. I say just leave them to it.

I guess I am trying to explain to you that if I am living a lie, I dont know it so I wouldnt be able to admit it.

 

[GenetoJean]

Is a "Transsexual" someone who is Transgender and transitions, whilst a Transgender individual may or may not have transitioned? Just trying to get the terminology clear, as I thought that they meant the same thing, but Transsexual was an outdated term. Just trying to make sure that I don't use the wrong terms and spread confusion, thanks!

That's a tough one because not everyone agrees. From my understand and in my usage, a transexual is a person who is living life full time as their identified gender. They may or may not have even had surgery. Transgender is an umbrella term that includes anyone that is gender variant. Transexuals are transgender but not all transgender are transexuals. Kind of like all German shepards are dogs but not all dogs are German shepards.

 

[Cute Tink]

Is a "Transsexual" someone who is Transgender and transitions, whilst a Transgender individual may or may not have transitioned? Just trying to get the terminology clear, as I thought that they meant the same thing, but Transsexual was an outdated term. Just trying to make sure that I don't use the wrong terms and spread confusion, thanks!

Transgender is the umbrella term for those who do not fit within the gender binary, including cross dressers, drag queens, intersex are sometimes included. Transsexuals are transgender under the above definition, but more specifically we are transsexuals because we are actively changing our physical state to be congruent with our mental gender.

 

[Reeniee]

That's a tough one because not everyone agrees. From my understand and in my usage, a transexual is a person who is living life full time as their identified gender. They may or may not have even had surgery. Transgender is an umbrella term that includes anyone that is gender variant. Transexuals are transgender but not all transgender are transexuals. Kind of like all German shepards are dogs but not all dogs are German shepards.

Transgender is the umbrella term for those who do not fit within the gender binary, including cross dressers, drag queens, intersex are sometimes included. Transsexuals are transgender under the above definition, but more specifically we are transsexuals because we are actively changing our physical state to be congruent with our mental gender.

Thanks for the replies, and expanding my understanding, they were helpful.

 

[Cute Tink]

Okay, that's fine. What is measurably true about transgenderism then? WHat criteria can be empirically tested and verified?

Studies of the brain are showing development closer to that of the opposite sex than the birth sex. Some people claim that it is caused by behavior, belief or environment, but they have no evidence or have presented no evidence to support the conclusion that it would have this exact effect.

So you can believe what you want about this situation. I have looked at the studies and statements from both sides. I also have my own experience and life to examine. People who know far more about this stuff than me have come to the conclusion that there is physical evidence to support medical treatment of this condition.

 

[Cute Tink]

Thanks for the replies, and expanding my understanding, they were helpful.

You're welcome