Is transgender a lie?

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I've been told men and women who want to be women and men get operations and take drugs so they look like what they are not born as. Isn't this a lie? Lets say they succeed in not looking like what they were born as and they go meet someone. What then? Do they tell them they can't have children because they have misrepresented themselves or do they live the lie?
 

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I've been told men and women who want to be women and men get operations and take drugs so they look like what they are not born as. Isn't this a lie? Lets say they succeed in not looking like what they were born as and they go meet someone. What then? Do they tell them they can't have children because they have misrepresented themselves or do they live the lie?

Being transgender is not a lie, no. One can lie about their birth gender though.
 
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I've been told men and women who want to be women and men get operations and take drugs so they look like what they are not born as. Isn't this a lie? Lets say they succeed in not looking like what they were born as and they go meet someone. What then? Do they tell them they can't have children because they have misrepresented themselves or do they live the lie?
In my experience transgendered people tend to be quite open about what they have gone through.
 
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I've been told men and women who want to be women and men get operations and take drugs so they look like what they are not born as. Isn't this a lie? Lets say they succeed in not looking like what they were born as and they go meet someone. What then? Do they tell them they can't have children because they have misrepresented themselves or do they live the lie?

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It's all part the caldron of deceit that is wearing the saints down. We are fighting a war and most people don't even know it.
 
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If you want to think being male or female is an absolute distinction you should go study up on all the the intersex conditions that exist. Some people are really so hard to tell that it's a guess by a doctor in the end. This is rare but it happens. Now imagine those same types of changes taking place in the brain, and you'll see why it's possible to believe a person is a different gender from the one they were born into.
 
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"Transgender" is just another sick twisted idea born of a debased perverted society.

Ah good, another internet expert who knows better than the entire medical establishment. How lucky we are to have him here sharing his knowledge with us when he could be out curing cancer or something.
 
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Does a 2 year old have perverted ideas?? That's how old my friends daughter was when her mother realized there was something wrong. The little girl wanted nothing to do with little girl stuff, just boys stuff. The harder the mother tried to interest her i in "girlie" things, like her older sister, the more she rebelled against it. It stayed like that throughout her whole childhood. The girl finally told her mom she always felt she was a boy--which she finally ended up being.
What about the babies that are born with both sets of genitals--are they perverted in the womb??--Why then, when twins were born, and one was a girl and the other had both sets, the dr's and the parents decided the other one must be a boy (because that's what the parents wanted) so they eliminated the all the female parts and as the child got older, they forced her into male clothes and toys but the child didn't act like a girl, and they gave it male hormones around 12--told the child he had hormonal problems. Eventually this "boy" told the family he was gay--that's when they told "him" about his birth and operation. She had never felt she was a boy--they stopped the hormones, he transgendered and was finally herself.
This is not an isolated case. There are literally millions of babies born with both sets and now they are waiting until the child can figure out which one they are. What are they according to all the "God made us male and female" crowd?? God made Adam and Eve male and female, and that is the way it was intended, but DNA and chromosomes and have a way of getting damaged--there are no end of birth defects, yet nobody wants to think that a birth defect can be responsible for this. That somehow it's impossible to have the mind of one sex and the "equipment" of another. Why is that?? God made us with 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 feet 2 eyes and all the rest, yet millions are born without some of these, or so badly damaged that they are useless. There are no end of variations from the perfect anatomy that we were meant to have and those are alright, just a crying shame, but when it comes to gender--nope--there can't be any problems with that!!--Is anyone aware there are countless being born with no gender at all??--No sexual organs--just an orifice to pee out of--what are they? Liars also?? Good thing it hasn't happened to any of you, or your family.
These are still human beings, still Gods children and in a perfect world this would never happen--in case nobody has noticed--we don't have anything perfect in this world.
Having been around some of these people, and seen the grief and turmoil they face, and their families, I am filled with compassion for them. It is an amazing thing that no matter what is done to someone--surgery, hormones, upbringing--a person can withstand all this and still end up being what they see themselves as--not what everybody around them wants them to be. We are made male and female--and that identity is more than the genitals it may or may not have--it's the very soul of that person. Those of neither gender are still human, still God's children. They have to learn how to live in a world they are shut out of, and I can't imagine the loneliness they must feel.
How easy it is to pass judgement on things we have no actual knowledge about. All they want is to be what they were meant to be.
 
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Yes, it is a lie.

The sexes are defined by the biology of procreation, not simply the superficial appearance of possessing that biology.

If I paint an orange to look like an apple, does it become an apple.....

What if that biology changes? If a person is born female, and becomes male at puberty all through biology what are they? Is one a lie the other the truth? What about hermaphrodites? What about males that externally are female, but have all the parts internally of a male? Reality doesn't like your attempts to put it in a small narrow niche, reality isn't so clean cut.

Or can someone be both male or female? Or Female one day, male the next? Or are they always one gender of the other despite what their body shows? Are the woman that become men at puberty always men just physically looking female? How is that any different from transgendered?
 
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Yes, it is a lie.

The sexes are defined by the biology of procreation, not simply the superficial appearance of possessing that biology.

If I paint an orange to look like an apple, does it become an apple.....

Good post!! I fear you are in the extreme minority over there in Merry Olde England. Its getting like that over here too.

Liberals love to hijack words or even concoct ridiculous words: Transgender, Homophobe, "Choice" (as if killing a child is a choice), "Tolerance" (which is actually intolerance).....etc etc....
 
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"Transgender" is just another sick twisted idea born of a debased perverted society.

Good thing we have "loving" Catholics here to tell them how sick, twisted, perverted and disordered they are. That's bound to do huge amounts of good for their self-image and make them better people.
 
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Good thing we have "loving" Catholics here to tell them how sick, twisted, perverted and disordered they are. That's bound to do huge amounts of good for their self-image and make them better people.

TRUE love is telling people the truth, not letting them live a lie.

If you had a close friend who was an alcoholic, what would you do: Buy him another bottle or tell him he has a problem and needs help?

You'd tell him him he has a problem and needs help. He might get angry and he might storm off, but it would still be the right thing to do.

These sexual deviates suffer from serious mental disorders. They need help, not a pat on the back from leftwing pinheads.

Wake up man. Get a clue.
 
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They just say they are transgender.

If they genuinely deeply feel they are a different gender, how does it harm you? If they want a sex change operation, it's up to them.

TRUE love is telling people the truth, not letting them live a lie.

I don't think you know what the truth is.

These sexual deviates suffer from serious mental disorders. They need help, not a pat on the back from leftwing pinheads.

It isn't a sexual thing.

Being transgender is no longer considered a mental disorder. If surgery and hormones makes people better, then what's the problem with that?
 
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TRUE love is telling people the truth, not letting them live a lie.

If you had a close friend who was an alcoholic, what would you do: Buy him another bottle or tell him he has a problem and needs help?

You'd tell him him he has a problem and needs help. He might get angry and he might storm off, but it would still be the right thing to do.

These sexual deviates suffer from serious mental disorders. They need help, not a pat on the back from leftwing pinheads.

Wake up man. Get a clue.
They do indeed need help. And guess what the most efficacious help has been shown to be by medical science? Hint: not shaming, name calling or denial of the reality of the condition.
 
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........If they genuinely deeply feel they are a different gender, how does it harm you?.........
So that is your criteria for people who suffer from serious disorders? As long as it doesn't affect you than who cares?

Well, hey, homeless people in the street don't affect me either. Neither do cancer victims or people killed in wars. So who cares, right? It doesn't affect me.

Wow. Where do kids your age get this twisted sense of morality from.
 
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TRUE love is telling people the truth, not letting them live a lie.

If you had a close friend who was an alcoholic, what would you do: Buy him another bottle or tell him he has a problem and needs help?

You'd tell him him he has a problem and needs help. He might get angry and he might storm off, but it would still be the right thing to do.

These sexual deviates suffer from serious mental disorders. They need help, not a pat on the back from leftwing pinheads.

Wake up man. Get a clue.

They do indeed need help. And guess what the most efficacious help has been shown to be by medical science? Hint: not shaming, name calling or denial of the reality of the condition.

So you have seen a medical study that says shame doesn't work? I'd love to see that.

Shame serves a purpose: It tells us when we are doing wrong: We feel "ashamed".

Unfortunately, many people today have no shame, thanks in no small part to misguided people like you.
 
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Well this thread is pretty depressing. Why do people deny medical conditions that the medical profession as a whole diagnose? That treatment (including but not limited to surgery) has been shown to help. The treatment works, so why judge people for it? What's the gain?

Why not just love people unconditionally?
 
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