Mormons Keep Affiliation With Boy Scouts Despite Decision Allowing Gay Leaders

justlookinla said:

They didn't choose to be child molesters, their DNA made them that way. Same argument for homosexuality.

DNA driven behavior when convenient, no DNA driven behavior when it's not?

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What does this have to do with anything? Child molestation is a crime either way, the genetic predisposition isn't an argument against the crime. Homosexuality, however, is not a crime.

justlookinla said:

They didn't choose to be child molesters, their DNA made them that way. Same argument for homosexuality.

DNA driven behavior when convenient, no DNA driven behavior when it's not?

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DNA driven or not is irrelevant to the discussion of sex acts without consent. It isn't an argument of convenience; it's about the consent of those involved. If two adult men decide to have sex with each other, they are consenting to the act. We recognize they are of age to make this decision.

justlookinla said:

Doesn't matter. The person wasn't responsible for their DNA makeup and therefore not responsible for their actions. It wasn't a choice to molest that child, it wasn't a choice to 'enjoy' a homosexual life style, it's the 'choice' of DNA.

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What business is it of ours if two consenting adults decide to have sex with each other? Full stop. I don't care if it's hetero or homosexual. It's not my business.

When a person molests a child, it becomes an issue for others because that child is unable to consent to the act and is being harmed by it. It is a crime. Your line of argument here makes no sense legally and seems to just be a way to equate homosexuals to child molesters.

justlookinla said:

You're not addressing the issue. It's not the FAULT of those who choose a homosexual lifestyle, it's DNA driven behavior. Likewise, it's not the FAULT of the child molester to molest children, it's DNA driven behavior. Neither the homosexual or the child molester CHOSE to be that way, it's just who they are. It's 'normal'.

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I don't care if something is DNA driven or not. In fact, I find the entire choice vs nature argument to be stupid period. The only choice I care about in the discussion is if two people of consenting age agree to it. There are people who are attracted to the same sex that do not engage in sex acts or have sexual relationships with others. That is their choice. There are probably people who would want to commit sex acts with children who make the choice not to act upon those urges.

justlookinla said:

"On their way to discovering" = they don't have a clue, only guesses and suppositions. Gonna be hard to convict child molesters when they find the 'gay gene', isn't it?

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What does being gay have to do with child molesting?

justlookinla said:

No, there is no choice in the world of DNA driven behavior. Child molesters are no more responsible for their propensity than homosexuals are for theirs.

As I pointed out earlier, DNA driven behavior is used when convenient and discarded when not convenient.

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What do you mean there's no choice? We're human beings, we define ourselves by the choices we make. My being a heterosexual doesn't mean I go after every woman I see. I am defined by the choices I made and continue to make with regards to my sexuality. You are making it sound like people argue that homosexuals are unthinking animals driven to rut with any same-sex person they come across.

jeanetteflint said:

I'm sure if you did some research you'd probably find that there are way more heterosexual child molesters than gay ones.

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Not probably. It is an established fact.

edit. wrong thread.

The first mistake most people in this forum are making, is to think of the Mormons as Christians. They are a cult, plain and simple. They put more belief in their book of Mormon than they do in the Bible. In my eyes they closely resemble Jehovah witness's.
That being said, why should it come as a surprise that they are disregarding what the Bible clearly states about sexual sin.

justlookinla said:

Doesn't matter. The person wasn't responsible for their DNA makeup and therefore not responsible for their actions. It wasn't a choice to molest that child, it wasn't a choice to 'enjoy' a homosexual life style, it's the 'choice' of DNA.

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That's a strawman because law doesn't work that way; you're charged by your actions. You're conflating two unrelated topics and trying to fight an argument that doesn't actually exist. I'm not sure what your end goal is except to complain about homosexuals.

justlookinla said:

Homosexuality is a choice then?

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Deciding to be in a homosexual relationship or have sex is a choice, yes. As far as the attraction goes, I am more than willing to believe homosexuals when they tell me that it isn't a choice. I am attracted to women with a certain body type and dark hair. I didn't choose to be attracted to this type, but it is what I find most attractive. It is my choice to be in a relationship or have sex with someone though.

Did you make a choice to be heterosexual? If so, how did you make this choice and do you still feel strong attractions toward your same sex? I have never been attracted to any men I've met and only attracted to women. This was not a choice.

justlookinla said:

Homosexuality is a choice.

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Remind me again why the anti-gay crowd insists it's a choice?

Part 1--
Homosexual Advocate: I am not responsible for this part of my personality, I was born this way.
Logical Person (and therefore not-a-liberal): What about Pedophiles?

Homosexual Advocate: Homosexual behavior is not a crime. Pedophile are criminals. Why are you equating homosexuals with pedophiles?
Logical Person (and therefore not-a-liberal): What are you talking about? Look up the definition of the word of "simile".

Homosexual Advocate: It doesn't matter what the word "simile" is, I want to know why you are equating homosexuals to pedophiles.
Logical Person (and therefore not-a-liberal): You vote Democrat don't you?

Part 2--
Homosexual Advocate: The issue is about two consenting adults.
Logical Person (and therefore not-a-liberal): As a father then can I have sex and/or marry my own adult son?

Homosexual Advocate: You always bring in the extreme arguments.
Logical Person (and therefore not-a-liberal): "The issue is about two consenting adults".

Homosexual Advocate: Quit twisting my words.
Logical Person (and therefore not-a-liberal): You vote Democrat don't you?

Audock said:

Logical Person (and therefore not-a-liberal): What are you talking about? Look up the definition of the word of "simile".

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Ah, don't you just hate it when you try to be all smart and then you say something wrong? A simile a figure of speech comparing two unlike things using "like" or "as". He is like a lion would be an example. A metaphor would be comparing them without "like" or "as". He is a roaring lion would be an example. "What about pedophiles?" is neither a simile or a metaphor so I'm not really sure what someone would be going for there except, of course, to equate homosexuals to pedophiles.