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Polonium halos are better explained as radon halos, which is an inert gas that can migrate away from their uranium source. The decay energy of radon is nearly equal to that of polonium and therefore their halos are indistinguishable from each other.

Secondly, I already discussed why an accelerated decay cannot explain uranium halos. If you change the decay rate, you change the decay energy. If you change the decay energy, you change the distance the damage occurs in the mineral. The radius we observe in uranium halos is consistent with the decay energy we observe with uranium decay, which means it must have taken millions of years to create the halos and that the rate of that decay must have been constant over that time.
This is extrapolation using mostly conjecture, making a concrete statement about a variable doesn't prove anything it just sounds authoritative, if you have an open mind then you are open to the variables, but it is obvious that we are preceeding from multiple directions, so try not to make confident assertions about variables and I will too.
 
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How would that produce uranium radiohalos?
Uranium and polonium radiohalos thus provide startling evidence of catastrophic geological processes on a young earth. During the year-long Flood (about 4,500 years ago) sediments were eroded and deposited catastrophically on a global scale. The catastrophe buried vast graveyards of plants and animals, producing fossil-bearing rock layers all over the earth. Rapid earth movements pushed up mountains,9 and formed granite bodies quickly. Inside these granites, super-fast radioactive decay generated uranium and polonium radiohalos. These are so microscopic they could be easily overlooked.4 But their presence in abundance in granites all around the world cannot be ignored.10 They are exciting confirmation that the earth and its rocks are not millions and billions of years old as usually claimed, but only about 6,000 years, as God’s Word plainly declares in the historical narratives in Genesis.
Radiohalos
Startling evidence of catastrophic geologic processes on a young earth

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This is extrapolation using mostly conjecture, making a concrete statement about a variable doesn't prove anything it just sounds authoritative, if you have an open mind then you are open to the variables, but it is obvious that we are preceeding from multiple directions, so try not to make confident assertions about variables and I will too.

I used to be a YEC. I'm not the one with the closed mind.

And it isn't making a concrete statement about a variable, it is DETERMINING that said event is NOT variable.
 
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This is extrapolation using mostly conjecture,

What conjecture?

making a concrete statement about a variable doesn't prove anything it just sounds authoritative,

Isn't that exactly what you are doing?

if you have an open mind then you are open to the variables, but it is obvious that we are preceeding from multiple directions, so try not to make confident assertions about variables and I will too.

Your mind is not open to the millions of observations demonstrating that radioactive decay and energy are not variable.
 
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Uranium and polonium radiohalos . . .

They are radon halos.

Not only that, but the rocks in which these halos are found intrude into fossil bearing strata, meaning that the fossils have to older than the rocks containing the halos. Are you saying that God created the Earth with fossils already in the ground?
During the year-long Flood (about 4,500 years ago) sediments were eroded and deposited catastrophically on a global scale.

Based on what evidence?

The catastrophe buried vast graveyards of plants and animals,

Catastrophes don't create vast graveyards of plants and animals. They produce a thin layer of life of the geologic column.

Rapid earth movements pushed up mountains,9 and formed granite bodies quickly.

Evidence?

Inside these granites, super-fast radioactive decay generated uranium and polonium radiohalos.

Evidence?
 
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I don't know, I would have to research that, I have never heard of it, perhaps there is something that could effect it when the world was reconstituted and recreated through water , perhaps when it was first created it gained those things from the intense power of Him creating the universe in a single moment, I don't know, but I have seen many things, like sea shells on top of high mountains, and fossils of deep sea crinoids on the high mesas above the Colorado river valley by Blythe, all the way to Lake mead, I seen large fossilized deposits of many different animals all conglomerated together on the side of a mountain, and many geological formations, actually I seen more things than I could list here, and nothing I have seen conflicts with the creation/flood model set forth in Moses' account, but I will research the uranium halo evidence.
Are you familiar with plate tectonics?
 
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They are radon halos.

Not only that, but the rocks in which these halos are found intrude into fossil bearing strata, meaning that the fossils have to older than the rocks containing the halos. Are you saying that God created the Earth with fossils already in the ground?


Based on what evidence?



Catastrophes don't create vast graveyards of plants and animals. They produce a thin layer of life of the geologic column.



Evidence?



Evidence?
Just because the evidence is not readily available does not mean that it automatically constitutes an eternal conundrum, it simply means that the answer has not been discovered yet, or the technology has not advanced enough to discover the truth of the matter, For my part I believe in the Biblical Creation account recorded by Moses who recorded the events by speaking directly to God, there are answers to all the questions, and we will discover them all eventually, we need to be patient, and ask God to show us the answers to these questions because He was the One that accomplished these things, the world is 6000 years old, if the halos formed then there must be a reason why they formed quickly, and we must remember that the One who designed physics is not bound by it. This matrix can be altered or manipulated at will by Him, so to state physical norms emphatically is presumptuous when referring to God.
 
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Just because the evidence is not readily available does not mean that it automatically constitutes an eternal conundrum, it simply means that the answer has not been discovered yet, or the technology has not advanced enough to discover the truth of the matter, For my part I believe in the Biblical Creation account recorded by Moses who recorded the events by speaking directly to God, there are answers to all the questions, and we will discover them all eventually, we need to be patient, and ask God to show us the answers to these questions because He was the One that accomplished these things, the world is 6000 years old, if the halos formed then there must be a reason why they formed quickly, and we must remember that the One who designed physics is not bound by it. This matrix can be altered or manipulated at will by Him, so to state physical norms emphatically is presumptuous when referring to God.

But you are emphatically presuming that YOUR INTERPRETATION of the Bible is correct, when all the physical evidence says otherwise.
 
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Just because the evidence is not readily available does not mean that it automatically constitutes an eternal conundrum, it simply means that the answer has not been discovered yet

Evidence is widely available, some has been presented to you in this thread. If you truly have an open mind why don't you try and research these topics from scientific sources rather than websites like creation.com? Are just looking for answers that concur with your belief system rather than actually learning anything about the natural world.

In your last post it seems that you are conceding the fact that the observations we've made of nature make it impossible for your interpretation of Genesis to be true forcing you to start invoking miracles and the supernatural.
 
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Evidence is widely available, some has been presented to you in this thread. If you truly have an open mind why don't you try and research these topics from scientific sources rather than websites like creation.com? Are just looking for answers that concur with your belief system rather than actually learning anything about the natural world.

In your last post it seems that you are conceding the fact that the observations we've made of nature make it impossible for your interpretation of Genesis to be true forcing you to start invoking miracles and the supernatural.

Indeed, it seems he is tacitly admitting that uranium halos certainly do LOOK like the earth is very, very old, but that someday, somehow, we will find an explanation that it isn't the case.
 
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I used to be a YEC. I'm not the one with the closed mind.

And it isn't making a concrete statement about a variable, it is DETERMINING that said event is NOT variable.
Evidence is widely available, some has been presented to you in this thread. If you truly have an open mind why don't you try and research these topics from scientific sources rather than websites like creation.com? Are just looking for answers that concur with your belief system rather than actually learning anything about the natural world.

In your last post it seems that you are conceding the fact that the observations we've made of nature make it impossible for your interpretation of Genesis to be true forcing you to start invoking miracles and the supernatural.
all I'm saying is the world goes far beyond the natural, and is extremely complex to the point that I am not going to make assertions about things that we don't have all the information on, I will trust in the testimony of those that I trust, and proceed from a sure base line, departing from a sure base line from a trusted source and looking only at the physical is not only misleading, it is fatal in regards to finding the truth. I am doing a lot of reading on line and I will not make snap decisions about anything or regard anything as fact just because it happens to be in a Org textbook.
 
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Indeed, it seems he is tacitly admitting that uranium halos certainly do LOOK like the earth is very, very old, but that someday, somehow, we will find an explanation that it isn't the case.
What I'm saying is we don't have all the physical evidence necessary to make an exact formulation, we weren't there, you weren't there, you have not performed these experiments yourself so you yourself are trusting in the opinions of others, we were not there to witness the entire planetary reconstruction of the earth so you are trusting in what you hear and see, and I am doing the same, we just come from different points of view and all of us do not have all the information, all I'm saying is looks can be deceiving and people have agendas, so be very careful who you believe, because some day people are going to be entering heaven while others are left behind because they were too busy fiddling with their conundrums. He says my righteous ones will walk by faith not by sight.
 
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"Org textbook"?
Organizations have agendas which drive doctrine, that why we refer to them as Orgs, because they create agenda that causes them to stray.
1Jo 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
 
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you have not performed these experiments yourself so you yourself are trusting in the opinions of others
You're not 'trusting in the opinions of others' by accepting experimental data. The point is, they show their work. You can look at their data yourself, and you can read about their methodology. Nobody serious would accept their conclusions otherwise.
 
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Organizations have agendas which drive doctrine, that why we refer to them as Orgs, because they create agenda that causes them to stray.
1Jo 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
That's what organizations do, including Christian organizations; everyone has an agenda.
 
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What I'm saying is we don't have all the physical evidence necessary to make an exact formulation, we weren't there, you weren't there, .....
That's one of Ken Ham's favorite statements, "you weren't there". Are you suggesting that there is no physical evidence for looking into the physical past of the earth?
 
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You're not 'trusting in the opinions of others' by accepting experimental data. The point is, they show their work. You can look at their data yourself, and you can read about their methodology. Nobody serious would accept their conclusions otherwise.
you are trusting in conclusions that are based on assumptions, because nobody can wait millions of years for something to happen, so you are basing YOUR belief on assumptions that are formulated by people that do not have all the information necessary to state the truth of the matter exactly, and you chose to believe it. well that is your choice, I have no problem with that, but I'm just saying my trusted source is better than yours because it comes directly from the mouth of the One that created and recreated the whole thing.
 
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That's one of Ken Ham's favorite statements, "you weren't there". Are you suggesting that there is no physical evidence for looking into the physical past of the earth?
yes there is evidence, but the conclusion always depends on which dim glass your looking through.
 
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