What is Science?

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Hi,

Your words will take a while to sink in, and know what they mean in context here, with Bhstme and others that are identical to him, in their responses to my work.

Initially, since "To know all is to forgive all", works so very very well, it might be then, that all the research Bhstme and others know of is Grant Research.

I cannot say, that "To know all is to forgive all" is Absolutely true. So Joshua that phrase comes from a book written by a woman who was a Contemporary of Napolean, and who contested with Napolean much, but, was highly respected by her so much, that he said this of her: "She teaches people how to think who do not know how to think and she teaches people how to think who have forgotten how to think. " It is not Biblical in other words, Joshua.

LOVE,

What it comes down to is that the data is primary in science. "My hypothesis is supported by data I won't show you" just doesn't fly in scientific circles, for obvious reasons. However, scientists do talk to each other outside of papers and presentations, and in those types of discussions what really matters is how much you trust the other scientist and their previous work.

Friendly discussions about science are one thing. Claims of scientific discoveries that overthrow long held scientific consensuses are another. In the end, the old saw of extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence is a good rule to follow.
 
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Science works first by stating what the hypothesis is. "The Bible is true" is not a valid scientific hypothesis because it is way too vague. Do we test the hypothesis that the Universe came about in 6 days? Do we test the hypothesis that the Earth was completely covered in water just 4,000 years ago? Do we test the hypothesis that humans and chimps do not share a common ancestor?

We need something specific to test before we can show that it is wrong.

Hi,

Respectfully how can you say, that, The Bible is False, not true is not testable or us way too vague?

You have discussed Grant Research. Have you ever worked on research that deals with things that not only no one has worked on before, but, because of that all tools and instruments are invented also, because they too have not existed yet, and do not exist yet?

Typically, that is the only research I and others did for awhile. In that realm of work, where no one has done the work before, taking a guess at what the answer might be and trying to prove that guess wrong, is the norm.

Interdisiplinarily we all support each other in that guess, in trying to prove it wrong, in that methodology. Is that not done, where you have worked???

Can I prove The Bible is wrong, is the starting point.
And, when I did that, I succeeded. I proved that book wrong in two places.
Then, in the normal ways I sent that work out, and I sent it out as findings only. I sent it out, so that my humanness would not be too badly wounded if I said I was right without checking with others.
In a month or more a refutation came back on those two findings.
In another few months or so after finding appropriate people to send the findings to, a clear undeniable refutation came back. I looked. Yes, I did make an error in two places. That is how we did it in those days.
The rest is here also. After failing to prove that book wrong, it is not right yet. All I know is that I, me, myself, I, I cannot prove it wrong with using all I had and more.

Next, as is appropriate, I searched the world to see if anyone else had proven that book wrong, so I could use their results. No one had, in and about 1997. No one.

Stuck, it was time to take a break from all that, which is a normal requirement in research, to prevent personal burn out.

After that, and with all that was learned in trying to prove that book was wrong, I decided to try controlled experiments.

All researchers know how controlled experiments can produce no useful data. We have all done that at times. Other times a controlled experiment says that yes indeed what you are doing is in fact wrong.

No one knows the outcome of a controlled experiment when working on a problem that no one has ever worked on before.

As dumb as it sounds now to us, Goddard actually built a vacuum enclosure to see if rockets, worked in a vacuum. No one knew for sure. He was working on items no one had the answeres for back then.

Similarly, I did not know, nor care what the answers were for those Biblical controlled experiments were. I did not.

I only cared that I made no errors in carrying them out.mI also cared if they were valid controlled experiments.

I almost had to throw one of them out. It was because there was a single word in there, which in testing, I did actually not know the definition of. It resolved itself in testing though.

I felt horible. In testing, I found a flaw. So, I needed to throw out that controlled experiment.mI needed to scrap it. I ran it a little longer before scapping it. Soon, that one extra unknown variable was known. Thus, that experiment was still allowed to run, as there was then still only one change, one unknown.

The number of times I have done controlled experiments, is large and untrackable in science. I cannot believe almost that they are not as ordinary and recognizable,as a cup of coffee, by everyone. They are not.

LOVE,
 
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What it comes down to is that the data is primary in science. "My hypothesis is supported by data I won't show you" just doesn't fly in scientific circles, for obvious reasons. However, scientists do talk to each other outside of papers and presentations, and in those types of discussions what really matters is how much you trust the other scientist and their previous work.

Friendly discussions about science are one thing. Claims of scientific discoveries that overthrow long held scientific consensuses are another. In the end, the old saw of extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence is a good rule to follow.

Hi,

Yes, but no one seemed to care, about that work. They still don't, and I can still be proven wrong, but with talk only, and few srepping up to the plate, there are only a few who have validated this. Besides, it takes training to carry out this work. Just like all research, if you have no idea what you are working on, then even if you do see something, you won't normally know what it is.
Do you think, an unqualifed person can do research? Naturals can, but even they without study on their own, even they cannot on a subject that they are unfamiliar with, and naturals are the best there is in every field.

LOVE,
 
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Hi,

Respectfully how can you say, that, The Bible is False, not true is not testable or us way too vague?

Was the world covered in water 4,000 years ago?

Was the Universe and everthing currently in it created in just 6 days?

Do humans share a common ancestor with chimps?

What does the Bible say on these matters?

You have discussed Grant Research. Have you ever worked on research that deals with things that not only no one has worked on before, but, because of that all tools and instruments are invented also, because they too have not existed yet, and do not exist yet?

No one does research in a vacuum, including you. At a minimum, you have the knowledge gained in physics and chemistry classes that you took at the university level. All scientists stand on the shoulders of giants, the scientists that came before them.

As for experimentation, I have had to construct my own assays, new combinations of antibodies for ELISA's and immunofluorescence that no one has used before. Almost all research does something for the first time. That's why it is exciting and rewarding, at least for some people.

Can I prove The Bible is wrong, is the starting point.

Until there is a specific claim, we can't begin to ask that question.
 
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Was the world covered in water 4,000 years ago?

Was the Universe and everthing currently in it created in just 6 days?

Do humans share a common ancestor with chimps?

What does the Bible say on these matters?



No one does research in a vacuum, including you. At a minimum, you have the knowledge gained in physics and chemistry classes that you took at the university level. All scientists stand on the shoulders of giants, the scientists that came before them.

As for experimentation, I have had to construct my own assays, new combinations of antibodies for ELISA's and immunofluorescence that no one has used before. Almost all research does something for the first time. That's why it is exciting and rewarding, at least for some people.



Until there is a specific claim, we can't begin to ask that question.

Hi,

OhMy. Phew. It seems to be nice conversing with you. I am calming down.

Absolutely, I stand on the shoulders of Giants. Yes. And, yes you are working in things no one has worked on before. That calms me immensely.

For me to expand that work outside, of its scope is wrong. Please do not call that an evasion. I am in research mode now.

What do you think that research showed?

LOVE,
 
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Was the world covered in water 4,000 years ago?

Was the Universe and everthing currently in it created in just 6 days?

Do humans share a common ancestor with chimps?

What does the Bible say on these matters?



No one does research in a vacuum, including you. At a minimum, you have the knowledge gained in physics and chemistry classes that you took at the university level. All scientists stand on the shoulders of giants, the scientists that came before them.

As for experimentation, I have had to construct my own assays, new combinations of antibodies for ELISA's and immunofluorescence that no one has used before. Almost all research does something for the first time. That's why it is exciting and rewarding, at least for some people.



Until there is a specific claim, we can't begin to ask that question.

Hi,

Okay. Lets start with a claim then. "The Bible is not the Word of God" Can you prove that, with the type of proofs that Rosalyn Yalow and her associates used to prove that Radioactive assays worked????

LOVE,
 
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Hi,

Okay. Lets start with a claim then. "The Bible is not the Word of God" Can you prove that, with the type of proofs that Rosalyn Yalow and her associates used to prove that Radioactive assays worked????

LOVE,

Can you demonstrate, what the word of God would look like, in an objective verifiable way?
 
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Can you demonstrate, what the word of God would look like, in an objective verifiable way?

Hi,

Not if you keep fighting me. There is only one way that I know of to Objectively do this. First you the tester have to be objective and want or need to know.

I have been with you for two days now. I will be with you for one more. You are that worth it to me. I understand you. I do not mean with you online, in this context. I mean it that other way. Online, I might be here for years. I do not know though. That is up to my Boss.

LOVE,
 
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Hi,

Not if you keep fighting me. There is only one way that I know of to Objectively do this. First you the tester have to be objective and want or need to know.

I have been with you for two days now. I will be with you for one more. You are that worth it to me. I understand you. I do not mean with you online, in this context. I mean it that other way. Online, I might be here for years. I do not know though. That is up to my Boss.

LOVE,

Fighting you????????????????????????????????????????

I asked you a simple question, which would be required to determine if something is false - it needs to be falsifiable.

Your other comments, don't make any sense.
 
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Fighting you????????????????????????????????????????

I asked you a simple question, which would be required to determine if something is false - it needs to be falsifiable.

Your other comments, don't make any sense.

Hi,

But you are fighting me. Are you saying that you are unaware that you are fighting me almost constantly?

LOVE,
 
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"My hypothesis is supported by data I won't show you" just doesn't fly in scientific circles, for obvious reasons.
As a Christian we are told "Do not give dogs what is holy; do not throw your pearls before swine. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." So Christians are more guarded with what is intimate and personal due to the abusive nature of non believers.
 
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As a Christian we are told "Do not give dogs what is holy; do not throw your pearls before swine. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." So Christians are more guarded with what is intimate and personal due to the abusive nature of non believers.

Translation:

We know we don't have any objective evidence.
 
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Hi,

But you are fighting me. Are you saying that you are unaware that you are fighting me almost constantly?

LOVE,

Nope.

I have asked you to support your claims. I can't control the fact you view that as "fighting", but I understand why you need to claim that.
 
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As a Christian we are told "Do not give dogs what is holy; do not throw your pearls before swine. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." So Christians are more guarded with what is intimate and personal due to the abusive nature of non believers.

Hi,

Dear Joshua 19,
At this point since I am being lied to, and, And words are being put into my mouth, it is time for me to depart.
Maybe this time you and others are right.

I am who I say I am Joshua19. It has been a pleasure, and it still is. It will always be so.

LOVE,
...Mary Katerina., .... .
 
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Hi,

Dear Joshua 19,
At this point since I am being lied to, and, And words are being put into my mouth, it is time for me to depart.
Maybe this time you and others are right.

I am who I say I am Joshua19. It has been a pleasure, and it still is. It will always be so.

LOVE,
...Mary Katerina., .... .
I remember something my wife said once. She said she was jealous that I have friends and she does not have any friends. I said what are you talking, she has lots of friends and I am the one that does not have any. She said I am able to be close and personal with people any time anywhere and she is not able to do that. She does have a lot of friends but it is because she has to buy them by giving them money, or gifts or doing things for them. I do not have to do anything other then to be nice and to be friendly with people. Because she is jealous she chases all my friends off or anyone that she can not control with her barter method of being liked by people. She watches my phone, she watches my computer, sometimes she watches me from the outside through the window to make sure I am not making a friend somewhere. It is funny in a way, there is no way she can stop me from having friends, no matter what she does or how hard she tries. I can just walk up to people anywhere any time and it is as if we have been life long friends. I guess some people are able to do that and some people are not. I remember once someone sent me an email. I had a friend and was talking to someone on the computer. They said: Did you know that she is a he? I said I don't care, she is a person. She is a personality. It does not matter if he is a she or she is a he, what difference does that make? A person is a person and that is all I care about.

I am not complaining, my wife and her friends would do anything for you. At the drop of a hat you can call them and they will be there for you. That is pretty much the way they are. You can count on them to be there when you need help.

Jesus is a friend for the friendless, a Husband for the widow, an advocate for the downcast and down trodden. If ever you have times of trouble you have a friend that will be there for you. We have a friend in Jesus who never will leave you, never forsake you in your time of need.
 
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Nope.

I have asked you to support your claims. I can't control the fact you view that as "fighting", but I understand why you need to claim that.
Why are people that can be so gentle, compassionate, considerate and kind at times and then at other times they are so mean? It all balances out the good and the bad, but I just can not make any sense out of it.
 
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Translation:

We know we don't have any objective evidence.
Really, you know that? Well I know that I know that I know that there is a God and that He loves both you and me. I do not understand, but I still know that God is, God was and God shall forever be. Why is it that YOU do not KNOW that? Why do you not know that God is love and mercy and grace and forgiveness and so much more. Why do you not know that we can spend our whole life seeking to know God and at the end of our life we would only be starting to understand. How is it in a moment of time we can gain a whole lifetime of understanding? I glad that you know, I am glad that you understand. Because there is so much in life that I do not know and I do not understand. I do not understand what this life is that we are to live and just what it is that we are here to learn. How can the evolutionist say we are here to learn nothing and in the end what little we did gain is lost and gone forever. That is something I do not understand. Maybe you can explain it to me.
 
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Can you demonstrate, what the word of God would look like, in an objective verifiable way?
This is a Kabbalah question.

We perceive all phenomena in terms of time, space, and movement. We cannot envision something that is absolutely static, frozen in time, without any volume. This is an analogy of our understanding of the spiritual worlds. There is no time, movement, or even space in the spiritual worlds.

Kabbalah teaches say that we became fragmented and individuals, but we long to be reunited. So this is our experience now. After our individual correction all the souls will re-unite into a single soul. Some try to reunite in the flesh but this is to be a spiritual experience. Egoism and Altruism.

Jesus was the Word of God that became flesh. He lived His life as an example for us to follow. He does not ask anything of us that He Himself did not do.
 
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