Arby's fires manager, suspends employee who refused to serve police officer

[keith99]

It seems they are claiming it was a bad joke.

“He doesn’t want to serve you because you are a police officer,” Martin quoted Mirabal as saying.

Davenport said the comment from Mirabal was an attempt at a joke that backfired.

After finding himself so busy with other customers than he could not complete Martin’s transaction, Davenport said he asked Mirabal for help. That’s when Mirabal made his remark, Davenport said.

What makes this believable is that it was the manager (Mirabal) that was fired and the clerk was only suspended. Elsewhere it said Davenport was having trouble running the credit card.

Still stupid, but not as stupid or intentionally confrontational, if true.

 

[SuperCloud]

Whatever happened to businesses-have-the-right-to-refuse-service-to-anyone people?


Thought I doubt Arbies has such a policy....I guess my question has nothing to do with this!

Hmm... you have a point. Didn't think about that. Kudos.

 

[Red Fox]

People act like all cops do is come harass people over minor things like parking tickets (although, they kind of so that too, and you can run into a charitable cop when running out to your car in the knick of time, or a real pri...). But we forget that if our child comes up missing, last spotted being snatched into some man's car, it's the police we call to try and rescue our child.

Also... sociology has its own jargon. The terms "group" and "category" are not one and the same. The term "group" indicates people that interact with one another, they *know* one another. The term "category" indicates people that *do not know each other* but share common characteristics.

So, Black-Americans all in the USA are not a group (but a few Black-Americans that know each other and hang out together are), they are a category.

Other categories are women, Muslims, Amerindians, whites, Christians, men, police, Catholic priests and so on.

If a man has had problems with lots of women is he justified in denying women services or being prejudiced against them and not liking them?

What if some white person has frequently been harassed or beaten up by Amerindian people?

Respectfully, I said that I do not want to discuss my reasons for mistrusting the police. I only shared my personal opinion, nothing more than that.

 

[brinny]

Distorted propaganda about the police? I don't think so. I don't trust the police any further than I can throw a great big boulder.

I may not have served the police officer either, but I would have made an excuse of being sick or something and had someone else step into my place.

What did this police officer do to you?

That's "bias", isn't it?

 

[NightHawkeye]

Manager fired, employee suspended after dust-up with officer at Arby's | Miami Sun-Sentinel

It seems they are claiming it was a bad joke.

What makes this believable is that it was the manager (Mirabal) that was fired and the clerk was only suspended. Elsewhere it said Davenport was having trouble running the credit card.

Still stupid, but not as stupid or intentionally confrontational, if true.

Makes even more sense considering that the manager was only 22 and the employee only 17 ... apparently both guys. Guys at that age often fail at "jokes" ...

 

[brinny]

Respectfully, it may not have been justified in the eyes of the employer, but if it had been me, as an employee, it would be a much different story.

If I had been in a situation like that, I would have tried to make up an excuse beforehand if I saw the police officer headed to my register.

I have my reasons and I will not discuss them. I know other people will not agree with me on this, but nonetheless, it is how I feel about the police.

Pardon? You hate every police officer you see? Or perhaps i'm misunderstanding? Perhaps it isn't hatred, perhaps bias, discrimination, or something else?

If i'm mis-understanding your comments, please enlighten me if i'm off base.

Thank you kindly.

 

[Poor Beggar]

The police department should boycott Arby's.

That's outrageous.

Yep! That's how you impact a business.

 

[brinny]

Whatever happened to businesses-have-the-right-to-refuse-service-to-anyone people?


Thought I doubt Arbies has such a policy....I guess my question has nothing to do with this!

Unless there's a legitimate reason, that's discrimination, isn't it?

Sounds like a wide open suit case.

 

[Red Fox]

Pardon? You hate every police officer you see? Or perhaps i'm misunderstanding? Perhaps it isn't hatred, perhaps bias, discrimination, or something else?

If i'm mis-understanding your comments, please enlighten me if i'm off base.

Thank you kindly.

Respectfully, that's really none of your concern. And so I will repeat, again, I'm not going to discuss my reasons any further. I could careless what ethnicity the police officer may be, I do not trust the police and that will never change. I will avoid them if at all possible. Now I said what I wanted to say in my first post and that's the end of it.

 

[brinny]

Respectfully, that's really none of your concern. It's not that difficult to understand when I said I wasn't going to discuss my reasons any further.

Just giving feedback and asking for clarification, since you did post here on a public forum. It's par for the course to ask for clarification.

Thank you kindly.

 

[Poor Beggar]

Whatever happened to businesses-have-the-right-to-refuse-service-to-anyone people?


Thought I doubt Arbies has such a policy....I guess my question has nothing to do with this!

Those two weren't in a position to speak for Arby's as a business, though.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Out of due process in the corporate world I'd have an internal investigation--however short or long--and if it is found true that one or more police officers were denied (or treated beneath company standards for service) service I'd terminate the employee and likely the manager too.

But I did find some irony--and possibly hypocrisy--in the spokesman of the police fraternal order or union that spoke and called for public and police boycott of Arby's until the immediate termination of the employee (indicating a by-pass and suspension of internal due process in the corporation itself in favor of public and police outcry).

#1. Said spokesperson didn't seem to bring up the standard police rhetoric when one or more cops unlawfully kill or violate a civilians civil rights. That rhetoric being: don't blame all cops or the corporation known as the police officer due to "one cop."

Yet, said spokesperson is blaming Arby's as a whole and from one employee out of how many across the USA? he is suggesting said employee typifies not *minority* of employees or citizens but is reflective of a larger systemic problem in not only Arby's but in civilian households in general.

#2. The cops always--and rightfully so I would say--demand due process internally in the corporation of the police force. Just because a citizen complains a cop is not denied due process and fired. And they request citizens do not "boycott" the police force--even if cops rape and or murder your daughter.

From what I've seen over the last couple years, police unions and FOP's are some of the most tone-deaf, hypocritical cry babies imaginable. I get that they have to advocate for the officers; that's fine. But the double standards and lack of self-awareness at times are kind of dumb-founding.

Whatever happened to businesses-have-the-right-to-refuse-service-to-anyone people?

Thought I doubt Arbies has such a policy....I guess my question has nothing to do with this!

Arby's would have that ability, but a low-level employee wouldn't have the authority to override corporate policy.

 

[Belk]

Except we've been waiting for the silliness of this response so you'll find most of us have a well-thought out answer.

Oh! Share! Share!

 

[Cute Tink]

Unless there's a legitimate reason, that's discrimination, isn't it?

Sounds like a wide open suit case.

Refusing service to a person because they belong to a particular group is discrimination, yes. In this case, it's not technically illegal discrimination, but really bad for PR, so there will be no civil suit over this. Being a police officer is not a protected class under discrimination statutes.

 

[brinny]

Right, and if someone were to mug or rape you, or burn down your house, who would you go to then, for help?


Quite simple, really. She thinks that reverse discrimination is perfectly OK.

Interesting. ANY form of discrimination (including reverse discrimination) is based on HATRED. And HATRED eats away at the person it is consuming as we speak. The only person it really hurts is the one consumed by it, as their vision gets narrower and narrower and darkness begins to take hold. It's kind of a sickness. Kinda' tragic, isn't it?

 

[Cute Tink]

Interesting. ANY form of discrimination (including reverse discrimination) is based on HATRED. And HATRED eats away at the person it is consuming as we speak. The only person it really hurts is the one consumed by it, as their vision gets narrower and narrower and darkness begins to take hold. It's kind of a sickness. Kinda' tragic, isn't it?

I don't know that I agree with that, but it is an interesting perspective.

 

[brinny]

Refusing service to a person because they belong to a particular group is discrimination, yes. In this case, it's not technically illegal discrimination, but really bad for PR, so there will be no civil suit over this. Being a police officer is not a protected class under discrimination statutes.

It would be impossible to sue in this case?

By the way, thank you for your genteel response. I appreciate it.

 

[brinny]

I don't know that I agree with that, but it is an interesting perspective.

Can you elaborate on what you don't agree with?

 

[Belk]

Interesting. ANY form of discrimination (including reverse discrimination) is based on HATRED. And HATRED eats away at the person it is consuming as we speak. The only person it really hurts is the one consumed by it, as their vision gets narrower and narrower and darkness begins to take hold. It's kind of a sickness. Kinda' tragic, isn't it?

It is, but then I'm sure as a Christian you would agree it is part of the human condition.

 

[Cute Tink]

It would be impossible to sue in this case?

By the way, thank you for your genteel response. I appreciate it.

I'm not sure what law they would have actually violated by refusing service to a police officer. As I noted, being a police officer isn't a protected class under those laws. I could be wrong on that, but I don't think so.

However, as I noted, it is really bad PR for Arby's to not take immediate action, because a number of people would boycott Arby's otherwise.