Trump is right, fiscally it makes sense to build a wall blocking Mexico

[Hetta]

you wound me, madam.

I'm sorry. I'll change the wording. It was a moment of passion. You know how we French are.

 

[Arcangl86]

I'm sorry. I'll change the wording. It was a moment of passion. You know how we French are.

I thought you were Belgian for some reason.

 

[TheBarrd]

what a cruel and nasty response from another "loving" Christian. You announce you are part native American, and yet obviously you hold that part of you in contempt. I'm glad you're amused by what white Americans did to your ancestors on the trail of tears. It's wonderful that genocide causes such big chuckles.

This is why I know I can't be around most Christians. You're a typical example of how many of them operate.

On the contrary, I have a very deep respect for my father's people. I am quite proud of my Iroquois heritage. I just don't feel that it is necessary to try to reopen old wounds. All the stuff you're hollering about has been over for a very long time.
And well over.
Look at it this way...my Mom, a very white British lady, thought enough of my Indian Dad to marry him and have kids with him...and he also loved her.
And here I am...
As for what happened so long ago, it was a sad thing, but it is over. There has been peace for a very long time. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything that they don't want to do. Speak your own language, that's fine. Keep your own traditions. That's great. Don't live on the rez if you don't want to. Nobody will say a word to you about it. Worship in the old ways...as long as you aren't staking anyone out to appease some animal spirit or something...that might cause a bit of a problem...

There was right and wrong on both sides...white and red. But it has been over for a very, very, very long time.
It's time to hang up the tomahawk...and join the 21st century.
Be proud of who you are. Be proud of your Indian heritage. No one, least of all me, is saying that you should not be.

But all that anger...honey, it hurts no one but you. I'm afraid you aren't going to get too many Native Americans to go on a scalp hunt with you at this point in time.
It's a better life for all Indians and for our children. Accept it for what it is and let go of old hurts.
It's the right thing to do, you know...

 

[TheBarrd]

Okay. So you're saying that this black guy shot that police officer because he was white? I should warn you that the sheriff's office has not officially disclosed, or perhaps even determined a motive. So when you say that this black man shot a white man because of race, where are you getting your information from.



Firstly, this is new. You hadn't mentioned this before. How is the phrase about frying bacon racist?

Secondly, the phrase "Black Lives Matter" is not meant to be at the detriment to other people's lives. It doesn't say White Lives don't matter. These people put that as a reminder that their lives are as important as anyone else's. Because they don't think you believe that. They honestly think that the average American believes their lives are expendable.



Right. Have they said White Lives do not matter?



Great. But that misses their message.



Who said he would?



You have definitively stated that the murder was caused by racism. Now you're asking whether it's true or not?



You are.



Great.



No. I would not be. I would be as dismayed and disgusted by the act as I am whenever a person murders another person regardless of race. That you are making this an issue of race demonstrates what I'm talking about.



This march that you described was protesting cops, not white people. Or am I wrong?



Ah, but see that's the deal. You don't care what people say about you, so there should be no reason to report me. I won't have to goad on you or harass you, but I would still point out that you're a racist when you make comments about illegal immigration, or police, or whatever. I would also have to go in to that thread about illegal immigration and racism and point out that there probably is a connection, and use you as an example.

And it wouldn't just be me. Anyone could, and probably should do the same.

Unless you have a problem with that.



I'm not specifically trying to insult you. But, I want you to feel insulted at the proposition of being called a racist. Is that not the case?



Well that doesn't help things at all.

I would much prefer that you didn't, and yes I would report you pretty darn quick. That's a pretty racist word, and I certainly do not approve of you using it toward me, or anybody.

Once and for all, I am not a "racist" by any definition of the word. The folks in my neighborhood...both black and white...wo
I would be accusing you of being a racist because of the things you've said, and your attitude toward people of other races.

You would be calling me the "n" word because you're judging me on my race.

But see, I am specifically asking your approval to call you a racist. If you don't care then I assume you approve.

I'm not trying to harass you. I'm just trying to get you to think about this for a bit. It's not that I care what you think of me. I hope that you care what you think of yourself, and that you want to be the type of person that others can respect. I want to think that you want to try to treat people with respect, and not make judgments about them based on the color of their skin, or place of origin, or height, or weight or anything like that.

I really think you don't want to be accused of being a racist. So, just tell me that.

Once and for all, I am not a racist.
You are making assumptions about me that you have no right to make.
Believe me, there are black people in this neighborhood who would be happy to tell you how very wrong you are.
That's right...this "poor widow" lives on the "wrong side of the tracks". To some of the snobs around here, me and my family are "poor white trash"...
And I live in Southern Alabama, where racism is rampant...on both sides.
I remember once, on my way to a friend's house one evening, (she lives near me), I overshot her driveway...someone had thrown a rock through a streetlight...and pulled into the next street to turn around. Before I could put it in reverse, I had five young black kids standing around my car...one at each fender, and one at my window. Was I scared? A white woman alone in this neighborhood after dark? You betcha. Fortunately, my friend had seen my car and she came to my rescue.
Evidently, the group that surrounded my car thought I was there to buy some crack. I had stumbled into their spot, where they peddled their wares...and if my friend had not seen me, it could have cost me my life.

Oh...did I mention that my friend...an older widow lady, much like myself...is black?

I do not regret the comments that I have made. I'm a little tired of this nonsense between the races...
Yes, and it goes both ways. My son was hit in the head with a bottle thrown from a car because he was walking in a "white neighborhood" with his black friend, a guy named Anthony, who has been like a son to me since he was a scrawny little kid of fifteen, and who has grown into a fine, handsome figure of a man. It took eight stitches to close the wound. I was pretty angry about it...but I don't think anyone was as angry about it as Anthony.
My daughter has been harrassed by a group of black kids....basically because she is a very pretty young lady. Anthony, who sees himself as her "big brother"..."handled the situation". We didn't see those boys again.
White people want to blame it all on blacks....black people want to blame it all on whites...and the bottom line truth is that both are at fault.
Has there been unecessary police violence against black suspects? Yes, there has...and yes, it is wrong, and yes, those officers ought to be punished. And many of them have been. Some have...and rightly so...lost their jobs.
But this...this nonsense about "pigs in a blanket" is just stupid...it is inciting violence. It is basically asking for a violent response from black people...and no one ought to be surprised when some silly black punk kid decides to, indeed, fry him some bacon. It's as if those people had tossed a lit match into a keg of dynamite...did you really think that it would not go "BOOM!"???

I'm not going to continue to argue about this with you. I am no more of a "racist" than you, or anyone else on this board is.
Do I think black lives matter? Of course, they do. I think most "average white Americans" know that. But I think most average white Americans believe that our lives matter, too...and we wonder if the "average black American" understands that.
We just
want the
VIOLENCE
to
STOP

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You're okay with Canadian illegal immigrants, but not illegal immigration? Or you're not okay with Canadian illegal immigrants and just don't feel like doing anything about it?

It's the Latino illegals that are on our plate right now.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Or, you know, you could provide a citation, since it's your claim and all.

Sure. This extensive source presents both sides, but is clearly weighted to my side.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States

 

[JGG]

Once and for all, I am not a racist.
You are making assumptions about me that you have no right to make.
Believe me, there are black people in this neighborhood who would be happy to tell you how very wrong you are.
That's right...this "poor widow" lives on the "wrong side of the tracks". To some of the snobs around here, me and my family are "poor white trash"...
And I live in Southern Alabama, where racism is rampant...on both sides.
I remember once, on my way to a friend's house one evening, (she lives near me), I overshot her driveway...someone had thrown a rock through a streetlight...and pulled into the next street to turn around. Before I could put it in reverse, I had five young black kids standing around my car...one at each fender, and one at my window. Was I scared? A white woman alone in this neighborhood after dark? You betcha. Fortunately, my friend had seen my car and she came to my rescue.
Evidently, the group that surrounded my car thought I was there to buy some crack. I had stumbled into their spot, where they peddled their wares...and if my friend had not seen me, it could have cost me my life.

Oh...did I mention that my friend...an older widow lady, much like myself...is black?

I do not regret the comments that I have made. I'm a little tired of this nonsense between the races...
Yes, and it goes both ways. My son was hit in the head with a bottle thrown from a car because he was walking in a "white neighborhood" with his black friend, a guy named Anthony, who has been like a son to me since he was a scrawny little kid of fifteen, and who has grown into a fine, handsome figure of a man. It took eight stitches to close the wound. I was pretty angry about it...but I don't think anyone was as angry about it as Anthony.
My daughter has been harrassed by a group of black kids....basically because she is a very pretty young lady. Anthony, who sees himself as her "big brother"..."handled the situation". We didn't see those boys again.
White people want to blame it all on blacks....black people want to blame it all on whites...and the bottom line truth is that both are at fault.
Has there been unecessary police violence against black suspects? Yes, there has...and yes, it is wrong, and yes, those officers ought to be punished. And many of them have been. Some have...and rightly so...lost their jobs.
But this...this nonsense about "pigs in a blanket" is just stupid...it is inciting violence. It is basically asking for a violent response from black people...and no one ought to be surprised when some silly black punk kid decides to, indeed, fry him some bacon. It's as if those people had tossed a lit match into a keg of dynamite...did you really think that it would not go "BOOM!"???

I'm not going to continue to argue about this with you. I am no more of a "racist" than you, or anyone else on this board is.
Do I think black lives matter? Of course, they do. I think most "average white Americans" know that. But I think most average white Americans believe that our lives matter, too...and we wonder if the "average black American" understands that.
We just
want the
VIOLENCE
to
STOP

Astounding. Fair enough.

But let me ask this: What is a racist?

 

[JGG]

It's the Latino illegals that are on our plate right now.

No, but the Canadian illegals are on your plate as well.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, but the Canadian illegals are on your plate as well.

On a 'side dish' maybe, next to the gwak a moly.

 

[TheBarrd]

No, but the Canadian illegals are on your plate as well.

You'll give me a call when we see some 500,000 illegal Canadian criminal inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs...won't you?
Or when LA's 20,000 members of the ‘18th Street Gang' start speaking French Canadian, rather than Mexican Spanish?
I'm sorry...but I'm just not as concerned about a bunch of Canuck hockey players as I am about the gun dealers, and drug dealers, and other criminals being brought over the border by "coyotes" to the tune of a few thousand dollars a head...

 

[TheBarrd]

Astounding. Fair enough.

But let me ask this: What is a racist?

You were all set to pin this label on me, based on a few comments made in an internet forum....
And now, you want to ask me what it means?

It means some stupid white kid who would throw a bottle at someone just because he's walking with someone whose skin is a bit darker than his.
It means a bunch of dumb black punks making obscene remarks to a young white girl just because she is pretty.
It means a group of incredibly stupid people who think that chanting dumb a** slogans about "pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon", isn't going to result in even more violence.
It means a white cop beating up on a black girl, just because she's in the wrong place at the wrong time.
It means being too darn stupid to realize that, now that open war has been declared, white cops aren't even more likely to shoot first and ask questions later...nobody wants to be killed.
It means snobby white folks labeling someone who is not as well off as they are as "poor white trash".
It means stupid pastors on both sides, preaching hate from their pulpits...and yes, I have seen this, and it is appalling.
It means a bunch of stupid black punks destroying Christmas ornaments for no apparent reason or tearing up public parks. Why? Then get mad because their neighborhoods aren't as "nice" as their white neighbors.
It means stupid white kids, calling other kids nasty names, like the "n" word you so object to at a football game, setting things up for a gang war later.
It means white mothers grabbing their children up and removing them because a black mother put her child in the same sandbox at a public park.
It means a black gang terrorizing an old white lady who stumbled in to their drug spot after some idiot threw a rock through a street light.
It means all of these things....
It means two people who barely know each other on the internet arguing over a bunch of nonsense....
It means holding a grudge after over one hundred years over slavery.
It's over....get over it already, and let's get on with our lives...

 

[Hetta]

I thought you were Belgian for some reason.

:O

 

[Hetta]

On the contrary, I have a very deep respect for my father's people. I am quite proud of my Iroquois heritage. I just don't feel that it is necessary to try to reopen old wounds. All the stuff you're hollering about has been over for a very long time.
And well over.
Look at it this way...my Mom, a very white British lady, thought enough of my Indian Dad to marry him and have kids with him...and he also loved her.
And here I am...
As for what happened so long ago, it was a sad thing, but it is over. There has been peace for a very long time. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything that they don't want to do. Speak your own language, that's fine. Keep your own traditions. That's great. Don't live on the rez if you don't want to. Nobody will say a word to you about it. Worship in the old ways...as long as you aren't staking anyone out to appease some animal spirit or something...that might cause a bit of a problem...

There was right and wrong on both sides...white and red. But it has been over for a very, very, very long time.
It's time to hang up the tomahawk...and join the 21st century.
Be proud of who you are. Be proud of your Indian heritage. No one, least of all me, is saying that you should not be.

But all that anger...honey, it hurts no one but you. I'm afraid you aren't going to get too many Native Americans to go on a scalp hunt with you at this point in time.
It's a better life for all Indians and for our children. Accept it for what it is and let go of old hurts.
It's the right thing to do, you know...

What you said to Red Fox was appalling. I will no longer be reading or responding to your posts.

 

[TheBarrd]

What you said to Red Fox was appalling. I will no longer be reading or responding to your posts.

Should I be relieved?
What I said to Red was truth...one Indian to another.

 

[JGG]

On a 'side dish' maybe, next to the gwak a moly.

So, what's the plan for the side dishes?

 

[TheBarrd]

Black, red, white, yellow, green, blue....or purple with big orange polka dots...
It's time to put all this stupid arguing and all this hatred to bed. Stop blaming one another for hurts long past.
We live in a different century, and we have laws that say that we are all created equal and we all have inalienable human rights.
There is no sense, and no point in promoting violence between the different races, or dreaming of long-gone imagined glories.
All of this arguing is just stupid.
Acting like like little kindergartens...children in a grammar school playground, who all deserve a good paddling...

 

[TheBarrd]

So, what's the plan for the side dishes?

When they start endangering our children and overcrowding our prisons, we'll worry about a plan...

By the way, deporting all illegal aliens would mean just that...ALL illegal aliens.
I just don't think there will be too many on the bus going north....

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So, what's the plan for the side dishes?

No plan. First things first.

 

[JGG]

No plan. First things first.

It doesn't seem that it's the premise of illegal immigration you're against.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It doesn't seem that it's the premise of illegal immigration you're against.

Just from Latin America for now. It's the 'cause du jour'.