Zionisim

[Stuco]

Also your thoughts on it if you would.

 

[USMC]

I actually thought about joining the IDF when I was younger, but you can't join unless you renounce U.S. citizenship and became an official Israeli citizen. If the last days are upon us, and the world comes against Israel, then I always thought it would be amazing to be a part of all that, and be at the forefront.

I'm not a Jew, but as far as Zionism goes, Israel is an amazing nation that has done some awesome things in it's short history, some questionable, but I think completely justified given their circumstances. The Jews need their own country, and it was foreordained in Scripture. Anyone who argues with this fact (i.e. Palestinians, Nazis, etc.) is denying the will of God as far as I'm concerned, not that they can really do anything about it.

Just saw "Munich" by the way, awesome movie. Does a great job of portraying the mindset of many Israeli's during that period of time. Actually nicely explains the Palestinian point of view as well. All in all a good flick.

 

[billwald]

The Jews stole the land fair and square just as we Americans stole our land fair and square - both by winning a war. There should be an international statute of limitations on land stealing. Steal it and hold it for 10 years and title passes.

 

[Rimler]

The Jews stole the land fair and square just as we Americans stole our land fair and square - both by winning a war. There should be an international statute of limitations on land stealing. Steal it and hold it for 10 years and title passes.

What?

:o

 

[AngelusSax]

It could be argued that the Jews stole nothing, that God gave it to them through the war because God has promised that Israel will be His nation forever, and this was pointed out as early as Genesis and never revoked in Scripture.

I am a Zionist in that I believe the Jews deserve and will have their own country. The Palestinians can have theirs too, just not at the destruction of Israel, which is what at least the Palestinians who hold power (military) would like to see.

 

[Joykins]

I think the continued existance of Israel as a Jewish democracy in the Middle East should be supported, but that an equitable solution with the Palestinians should be sincerely sought. There are generations of Palestinians (some of whom are, by the way, fellow Christians--the only Palestinian family I know is actually Anglican) who have grown up in refugee camps, and that's just not right.

 

[depthdeception]

Also your thoughts on it if you would.

The biggest misinterpretation of Scripture ever. If there was a new ecumenical council, I would work to get it anathematized.

 

[Gwenyfur]

The Jews stole the land fair and square just as we Americans stole our land fair and square - both by winning a war. There should be an international statute of limitations on land stealing. Steal it and hold it for 10 years and title passes.

Stole our land???!!!

It was delivered into our ancestor's hands by G-d. He Himself delivered that promised land to us, and has returned us to it time and again throughout history.

Ref: Old Testament, Prophecies of Daniel, Isaiah, Zechariah, Jeremiah and Revelation.

 

[depthdeception]

Stole our land???!!!

It was delivered into our ancestor's hands by G-d. He Himself delivered that promised land to us, and has returned us to it time and again throughout history.

Ref: Old Testament, Prophecies of Daniel, Isaiah, Zechariah, Jeremiah and Revelation.

So you're going to justify the seizure, occupation and control of someone else's land on the basis of a potentially false interpretation of Scripture? Yet another reason Zionism should be anathematized.

 

[Gwenyfur]

So you're going to justify the seizure, occupation and control of someone else's land on the basis of a potentially false interpretation of Scripture? Yet another reason Zionism should be anathematized.

False interpretation???

And just what part of Exodus, Joshua, and Judges is misinterpreted? hrmmmm????

Or was Moshe and Joshua just talking to thin air and not G-d?

 

[Febe]

I am neutral...
I know that God has promised the Jews a land, but what Israel today is doing to the Palestinians is not right...

 

[depthdeception]

False interpretation???

And just what part of Exodus, Joshua, and Judges is misinterpreted? hrmmmm????

Or was Moshe and Joshua just talking to thin air and not G-d?

I'm not talking about the OT texts. I'm talking about interpretations of the NT which believe that the "Israel" spoken of in the NT is the Jewish nation--it is clearly not.

 

[KaneKnight]

I actually thought about joining the IDF when I was younger, but you can't join unless you renounce

U.S. citizenship and became an official Israeli citizen. If the last days are upon us, and the world comes against Israel, then I always thought it would be amazing to be a part of all that, and be at the forefront.



I'm not a Jew, but as far as Zionism goes, Israel is an amazing nation that has done some awesome things in it's short history, some questionable, but I think completely justified given their circumstances. The Jews need their own country, and it was foreordained in Scripture. Anyone who argues with this fact (i.e. Palestinians, Nazis, etc.) is denying the will of God as far as I'm concerned, not that they can really do anything about it.



Just saw "Munich" by the way, awesome movie. Does a great job of portraying the mindset of many Israeli's during that period of time. Actually nicely explains the Palestinian point of view as well. All in all a good flick.

USMC,

I could be wrong about this, but the only way I am aware of to join the IDF as an American (or any other foreign citizen for that matter) is the Mahal2000 program. One does not have to renounce one’s US citizenship, and the applicant must be a Jew. As far as Zionism is concerned, I do not see how any Christian could have a problem with the state of Israel, as the land was promised to them by God in the OT; they hold divine right to the land, plain and simple.

Jean-Pierre

 

[USMC]

USMC,

I could be wrong about this, but the only way I am aware of to join the IDF as an American (or any other foreign citizen for that matter) is the Mahal2000 program. One does not have to renounce one’s US citizenship, and the applicant must be a Jew. As far as Zionism is concerned, I do not see how any Christian could have a problem with the state of Israel, as the land was promised to them by God in the OT; they hold divine right to the land, plain and simple.

Jean-Pierre

Not really an issue now, I guess (already part of the greatest fighting force int he world, oorah!) Does one have to be Jew as in "practice Judeaism"? Because I know many members of the Israeli military are secular. And they accept Jewish practicing people of other races (Jewish practicing Chinese, for example). When I was considering it, I was about 17, so I just went off of what an Israeli friend of mine told me, never actually researched it.

 

[armyman_83]

Not really an issue now, I guess (already part of the greatest fighting force int he world, oorah!) Does one have to be Jew as in "practice Judeaism"? Because I know many members of the Israeli military are secular. And they accept Jewish practicing people of other races (Jewish practicing Chinese, for example). When I was considering it, I was about 17, so I just went off of what an Israeli friend of mine told me, never actually researched it.

You could say you are a Jew, I mean we are the children of God. I have thought about joining the IDF as well, and maybe one day I will. You can always become an Israeli and just come back (you will always be a US citizen!), but since your already in the military its alright, if you don't join another armed force.

 

[Cajun Huguenot]

Christian Zionism is (IMHO) a serious theological error that is tied to the theological aberration (invented in the early 19th century) known as Dispensationalism.

I have strong pro-Israel views, BUT I am not a Zionist. We should only support Israel when it is doing what is right and not just just because it is Israel. I voted neutral.

Coram Deo,
Kenith

 

[Cajun Huguenot]

The biggest misinterpretation of Scripture ever. If there was a new ecumenical council, I would work to get it anathematized.

Amen!!!

 

[Cajun Huguenot]

Stole our land???!!!

It was delivered into our ancestor's hands by G-d. He Himself delivered that promised land to us, and has returned us to it time and again throughout history.

Ref: Old Testament, Prophecies of Daniel, Isaiah, Zechariah, Jeremiah and Revelation.

Old Covenant Land possession was tied to Covenant faithfulness. Modern Israel was founded by mostly secular (many atheist) Jews who have no regard for the Old Covenant or the New. Beside that in the New Covenant the Land promise is extended to the world.

See:
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. (Rom. 4:13)
Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise) That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth. (Eph. 6:1-3)

The land promise in the New Covenant is extended to encompass the whole world.

Coram Deo,
Kenith

 

[armyman_83]

This is when God says he will scatter Israel.

Leviticus 26:33-38 says, "And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste. Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths. As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it. And upon them that are left alive of you I will send a faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; and the sound of a shaken leaf shall chase them; and they shall flee, as fleeing from a sword; and they shall fall when none pursueth. And they shall fall one upon another, as it were before a sword, when none pursueth: and ye shall have no power to stand before your enemies. And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up."

God’s Promise:

"... the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee" (Deuteronomy 30:3).

"... Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel" (Ezekiel 17:11).

In 1948, Israel became an independent nation for the first time since the Babylonian takeover in 606 BC (more than 2500 years).

 

[Cajun Huguenot]

In 1948, Israel became an independent nation for the first time since the Babylonian takeover in 606 BC (more than 2500 years).

Don't for get they were independent for a time under the Maccabees.

Kenith