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Originally posted by D. Scarlatti
Souljah, have you even read this book? Did you read Chapters 1-7 prior to reading Chapter 8?
Be honest.
Desperate, huh? Never figured anyone would check, huh?
Originally posted by s0uljah
Why are you so emotionally invested in answering a simple question.
What do the atheists here think about that statement? Do you think that his statement is valid and that we don't have to explain where energy came from, since there isn't any energy?
Originally posted by Morat
You implied, quite obviously, that Hawking had hand-waved the notion aside, instead of it explaining it at length.
So tell me, Souljah, now that we've had this discussion, and you realize that virtual particle production is the difference between a classic vacuum and a quantum vacuum, where does the energy come from again?
So to you an explanation of the one thing that is all known energy is not an explanation of all known energy?
Um, he did hand-wave it aside by explaining the sum of energy is zero. Its a fairly simple observation. The only thing he did in depth was speculate about tangents of the topic.
Thus the universe can double the amount of positive matter energy and also double the negative gravitational energy without violation of the conservation of energy. This does not happen in the normal expansion of the universe in which the matter energy density goes down as the universe gets bigger. It does happen, however, in the inflationary expansion because the energy density of the supercooled state remains constant while the universe expands: when the universe doubles in size, the positive matter energy and the negative gravitational energy both double, so the total energy remains zero. During the inflationary phase, the universe increases its size by a very large amount. Thus the total amount of energy available to make particles becomes very large
Originally posted by s0uljah
your supposed empty vacuum.
The energy in the Universe that contaminates your supposed empty vacuum.
There was no explanation of the energy in that chapter, rather, a detailed look at why the sum is zero
Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me.
Originally posted by Morat
Hah! You can't do it, can you? I'd bail, Souljah. You've been caught in a lie, and now your reputation is getting mauled because you refuse to admit you were wrong.
Souljah, pointing out that you lied and misrepresented Hawking again, as well as pointing out your refusal to address your mistakes, isn't an insult.
No, we can call it libel. Is that better?
I never lied. If you think I did, tell me how? I misrepresented nothing. Its plainly there for anyone to read. You can keep saying that, but it doesn't change anything.
In my original Hawkings thread, you all were supposedly upset because I was insulting in my tone. Now in this thread, I have been respectful, and it has ended up the same. Why is that?
What energy? You don't get to make up energy for your own amusement. Please source this please.
Oh, and don't be an idiot and source zero-point energy, please, given that zero-point energy <I>is virtual particle production</I>.
So, please reference an energy source that is <I>not</I> the very thing you claim borrows energy
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