Your view on birth control?

[TwinCrier]

While the Bible says children are a blessing it doesn't say anywhere that all children are a blessing. Nor does it say all married couples are to reproduce. I would add that the Bible calls having many sheep a blessing, do you suggest we should all own sheep?

Respectfully submitted.

Are you saying some children aren't blessings? Obviously not all couples CAN reproduce, and God wisely limits the time during which children can be conceived, but there is no biblical basis for preventing conception.
I quit trying to justify birth control a couple years ago. It's much easier to follow what the bible says then to make excuses for my selfish desires for thwarting the will of God in my life. I finally started living the words of that song I sing in church "I surrender all." Too many Christians refuse to surrender that part of their life to God.

 

[Oxygen]

I voted that all methods are acceptable except for abortion. I think that birth control is a matter of conscience, as there is no reference to it, that I have found, in the scriptures (with the exception of abortion). I think that responsible family planning (not in the Margaret Sanger sense...rather, in the sense of two married adults figuring things out) is key. Before having children, people should be ready and willing to do so.

 

[Servus Iesu]

It is encouraging to see that some Fundamentalists share the view that the natural result of intercourse should not be frustrated by Christians. I think if you are a bible-believer it boils down to a single fact... in Genesis God commands man to be fruitful and multiply. This is actually the first commandment in the Scriptures. If we use contraception we are not being fruitful.

 

[No Swansong]

Are you saying some children aren't blessings?

yes

Obviously not all couples CAN reproduce,

Then sex between these couples cannot lead to a child and thus according to your thesis should not happen.

and God wisely limits the time during which children can be conceived, but there is no biblical basis for preventing conception.

And there is no biblical basis for not preventing conception.

I quit trying to justify birth control a couple years ago. It's much easier to follow what the bible says

Chapter and verse please that contraception is sinful and that all children are a blessing. I am specifically looking for the mention of contraception and specifically looking for scripture that says ALL children are a blessing.

then to make excuses for my selfish desires for thwarting the will of God in my life. I finally started living the words of that song I sing in church "I surrender all." Too many Christians refuse to surrender that part of their life to God.

Is it your contention that those who use birth control for whatever means are being selfish? I think in many cases it is closer to being responsible.

 

[Macano]

What about those of us who aren't that fond of children? I like to play with children in limited amounts, but my wife and I both aren't real "children people". Would it really be in the child's best interest for folks like us to have kids anyway?

 

[TwinCrier]

yes

Sad, very sad.

Then sex between these couples cannot lead to a child and thus according to your thesis should not happen.

I never said any such thing.

And there is no biblical basis for not preventing conception.

Except that you're going against God's will and causing harm to your body. Good thing God doesn't always strike people dead for avoiding conception like He did Onan.

Chapter and verse please that contraception is sinful and that all children are a blessing. I am specifically looking for the mention of contraception and specifically looking for scripture that says ALL children are a blessing.

Psalms 127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

Is it your contention that those who use birth control for whatever means are being selfish? I think in many cases it is closer to being responsible.

Yes.

 

[TwinCrier]

What about those of us who aren't that fond of children? I like to play with children in limited amounts, but my wife and I both aren't real "children people". Would it really be in the child's best interest for folks like us to have kids anyway?

I presume you're fond enough of sex though.

 

[Macano]

I presume you're fond enough of sex though.

Very.

 

[No Swansong]

Sad, very sad.

Opinions vary

I never said any such thing.

If it is your contention that every sex act should be open to conception then this is the logical conclusion to your reasoning.

Except that you're going against God's will and causing harm to your body. Good thing God doesn't always strike people dead for avoiding conception like He did Onan.

No where does scripture say that all children are a blessing and no where in scripture does it indicate that all married couples are to have as many children as possible. Like it or not scripture does not in any way indicate that contraception is a sin.

Onan directly disobeyed a command from God. You have yet to prove that all couples should have children.

Psalms 127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

Still doesn't say all children

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[No Swansong]

I presume you're fond enough of sex though.

Is it your contention that the only purpose of sex is procreation?

 

[No Swansong]

Are you saying some children aren't blessings? Obviously not all couples CAN reproduce, and God wisely limits the time during which children can be conceived, but there is no biblical basis for preventing conception.
I quit trying to justify birth control a couple years ago. It's much easier to follow what the bible says then to make excuses for my selfish desires for thwarting the will of God in my life. I finally started living the words of that song I sing in church "I surrender all." Too many Christians refuse to surrender that part of their life to God.

How many sheep do you own?

 

[TwinCrier]

No where does scripture say that all children are a blessing and no where in scripture does it indicate that all married couples are to have as many children as possible. Like it or not scripture does not in any way indicate that contraception is a sin.

No where in scripture does it say to take drugs or surgically alter your body to avoid the natural result of sex, procreation. The bible shouldn't have to say to have as many children as possible, no one should have to question it. No one except those who for some unknown reason, hate children. If you're so sure God wants you to remain childless, why not trust Him to take care of it?

 

[TwinCrier]

How many sheep do you own?

Beep, Beep, Beep, strawman alert, strawman alert!

 

[No Swansong]

No where in scripture does it say to take drugs or surgically alter your body to avoid the natural result of sex, procreation.

Nor does it condemn it.

The bible shouldn't have to say to have as many children as possible, no one should have to question it.

Entirely your opinion. Who are any of us to determine what the Bible should or should not say?

No one except those who for some unknown reason, hate children. If you're so sure God wants you to remain childless, why not trust Him to take care of it?

I don't hate children and for you to assume so is condescending at best. It also indicates that you know absolutely nothing about me. I believe that we have a God who expects us to be responsible. Scripture is full of examples of chastisement for lack of responsibility. What you call lack of faith I call living accountable to God.

In my case my wife was told by 4 seperate, pro-life physicians that another pregnancy would end her life and the life of an unborn child, should she conceive again. It was not responsible for me to allow another pregnancy as it is my responsibility to protect my family. BTW it is not poor grammar or coincidence that I used some form of a specific word several times in this post.

 

[No Swansong]

Beep, Beep, Beep, strawman alert, strawman alert!

Nice try but it really isn't. You contend that Christians should not use contraception because scripture calls children a blessing, thus is would be sinful to reject that blessing.

Owning many sheep is called a blessing in scripture as well. Would it not be just as sinful to reject this blessing?

 

[Ainesis]

I quit trying to justify birth control a couple years ago. It's much easier to follow what the bible says then to make excuses for my selfish desires for thwarting the will of God in my life.

And that is good...for you.

You should certainly fo what you feel is right...for you.

If you feel that birth control is an example of you giving in to selfish desires, then it is good that this not be done...for you.

However, it is doing exactly "what the bible says" that is in question. Apart from your strong feelings on this, do you have any Scriptural basis for why birth control is a sin? Or are we all to follow your feelings on the matter?

 

[No Swansong]

Nice try but it really isn't. You contend that Christians should not use contraception because scripture calls children a blessing, thus is would be sinful to reject that blessing.

Owning many sheep is called a blessing in scripture as well. Would it not be just as sinful to reject this blessing?

I wanted to add that not only is this not a strawman argument. (a false assumption or assertion that one constructs in order to tear it down creating the appearance of correct argument) It is an analogous argument used to expose faulty logic.

 

[TwinCrier]

Nice try but it really isn't. You contend that Christians should not use contraception because scripture calls children a blessing, thus is would be sinful to reject that blessing.

Owning many sheep is called a blessing in scripture as well. Would it not be just as sinful to reject this blessing?

So, you are saying that it is good to reject and avoid God's blessings? That would be an odd sermon to hear. It's not the sheep that are the blessing, it refers to monetary blessings. I'm sure you have no problem accepting God's financial blessings, you just don't want to accept the blessings that require giving on your part.

 

[TwinCrier]

And that is good...for you.

You should certainly fo what you feel is right...for you.

If you feel that birth control is an example of you giving in to selfish desires, then it is good that this not be done...for you.

However, it is doing exactly "what the bible says" that is in question. Apart from your strong feelings on this, do you have any Scriptural basis for why birth control is a sin? Or are we all to follow your feelings on the matter?

Genesis 1:28. God says, after creating man and woman, "be fruitful and multiply." This is not a suggestion - it is a command! By virtue of the fact that God commands us to be "fruitful and multiply," He speaks against birth control. When we use birth control, we are saying, "No, I won't be 'fruitful and multiply!"' We are disobeying God and we are abrogating one of His intents for marriage (Gen. 2:24). I don';t know what God could have said to make it any clearer. In I Chronicles 25:4-5, we read that Hamen had 14 sons. For what purpose? To financially burden him? No. God did it to bless him the Scriptures say!
God views children as rewards, gifts and arrows from Him (Psalm 127:3-5). He views them as a blessing (Deuteronomy 7:13,14), and as a sign of His approval (Exodus 23:25,26). Most Christians would view houses from the Lord as a gift, reward, blessing, or sign of His approval, yet, if they received four or five houses, I highly doubt any of them would say, "Well, we better use wisdom" and begin to practice house-control, not accepting more than two.
It should cause you consern that your opinions line up with the abortion, free sex crowd.

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[TwinCrier]

I wanted to add that not only is this not a strawman argument. (a false assumption or assertion that one constructs in order to tear it down creating the appearance of correct argument) It is an analogous argument used to expose faulty logic.

Fine then, God, bless me with sheep if it be thy will. Now, will you do the same about children?