Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution

[Kenny'sID]

Given the length of time and number of posts you have made on the subject, yes, you should be embarrasses that you still do not grasp the basic science involved.

Then, of course you should be embarrassed that you, as well as others who keep spouting the same claim in order to throw the blame on me for your own inability to prove evolution.

There is nothing there that's not expected and hasn't been done before one way or another.

If anyone here wants to look closely, once these people and their evolution runs out of gas when it comes to something they know they cannot prove, they look for more convenient escape routs, and shift the blame to those who need the proof. IOW, its now the fault of anyone who doesn't believe what is actually nonsense, if for no other reason they choose not to state the beginning, and actually tell us that doesn't matter. It's a waste of my time and others for that reason alone, it's out of the race, right out of the starting gate.

Yet some try to humor them, and this is what we get for our efforts...no proof, and it's your fault for not understanding something we have no proof for you.

All that is exactly what it's come down to here.

 

[Kenny'sID]

He doesn't do links, watch videos, or....read really. He wants everything copy/pasted into a post.

No Copy/pastes either, please. All in your own words because you understand so well and I do not. And FWIW why not tell the whole truth on why I don't do links..more little games to put the challenger at fault.

Seems to me if you had a good point you wouldn't need those little games.

 

[Kenny'sID]

What "rules?" We're talking about an objectively verifiable phenomenon, phenotypic variation.

Science proves nothing..lol That rule.

Sorry, still can't help but laugh at the thought of it.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

Science proves nothing..lol That rule.

Sorry, still can't help but laugh at the thought of it.

At least science comes up with a whole lot of robust and useful theories to describe the world. How successful has religion been in explaining the world?

 

[Kenny'sID]

At least science comes up with a whole lot of robust and useful theories to describe the world. How successful has religion been in explaining the world?

Yeah, seen a lot of those uh, "robust" theories right here.

The bible has been very successful for a whole bunch of people, and actually, you should have pickled up on that by now...something isn't right here.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

Yeah, seen a lot of those uh, "robust" theories right here.

Given that we have here many people who want to disprove evolution, and they can't find a single valid objection to a non-strawman theory of evolution shows its robustnesss.

The bible has been very successful for a whole bunch of people, and actually, you should have pickled up on that by now...something isn't right here.

In what way has it been 'successful'. And does that have anything to do with finding out truths about the physical word, or is it some other definition of 'success'?

 

[Kenny'sID]

Given that we have here many people who want to disprove evolution, and they can't find a single valid objection to a non-strawman theory of evolution shows its robustnesss.

Like their lack of proof shows robustness? Please, don't.

In what way has it been 'successful'. And does that have anything to do with finding out truths about the physical word, or is it some other definition of 'success'?

Pay attention to your own subject, it's been successful in explaining the world, (that was the post I was replying to) or to be more precise, the creation of the universe.

And before you get into how it does not, look a little deeper, it may not to you but it does to the ones I mentioned...it's been quite successful. and before you get into an argument where you haven't a leg to stand on, you cannot say that it proves nothing to us, it is up to us what is poof and what is not.

Just trying to save a lot of useless typing.

If all else fails you prove your evolution and I'll show you how my/the bibles explanation can be proven out, beyond any doubt.

 

[Speedwell]

Science proves nothing..lol That rule.

Sorry, still can't help but laugh at the thought of it.

So you're not serious. I thought you weren't, but you can't say I didn't try. You won't even deal with the parts of the evolutionary theory you can "prove" for yourself.

 

[Ringo84]

I don't care to get into a protracted debate about it, but:

1. Evolution is a scientific fact
2. It does not contradict the Bible, as
a) The Bible is not a science textbook. That's not why Genesis was written
b) Evolution merely says that life changed after it was here. It does not say how life got here
3. If we believe that God is omnipotent, why is it so hard to believe that He set the process of evolution into motion?
4. This is a controversy that's over a century old. It's ridiculous and has been from the start, and it's made Christians look like ignorant, science-denying chumps.
5. Christianity is not about dumb "culture war" issues like evolution. What matters when we come up to those pearly gates is not filling out a questionnaire on our beliefs about evolution. The message of Christianity can be summed up in two things: love God, love man. The rest is commentary.
6. There is a difference between believing that the Bible is God's inspired word and believing that every word in it is literal history. You can believe in one and disbelieve the other, because God gave us an intellect and a free will that allows us to interpret the Bible for ourselves.
Ringo

 

[Kenny'sID]

So you're not serious. I thought you weren't, but you can't say I didn't try. You won't even deal with the parts of the evolutionary theory you can "prove" for yourself.

You need to actually state a case why I'm not serious.

Where's your proof, post it...seriously.

 

[Speedwell]

If all else fails you prove your evolution and I'll show you how my/the bibles explanation can be proven out, beyond any doubt.

You can't even convince a majority of the world's Christians, who already believe that the Bible is God's inspired word; what makes you think you can convince an atheist?

 

[Kenny'sID]

I don't care to get into a protracted debate about it, but:

I love that cop out, and you didn't think anyone would notice? You don't care to debate that because you cannot prove this....

1. Evolution is a scientific fact

 

[Ringo84]

I love that cop out, and you didn't think anyone would notice? You don't care to debate that because you cannot prove this....

No, I don't care to debate it because I know that getting into a long, drawn out debate about evolution is a dead end. I'm not going to convince you, and you're not going to convince me. So what point is there other than you feeling like you're "defending" God/the Bible?
Ringo

 

[Kenny'sID]

You can't even convince a majority of the world's Christians, who already believe that the Bible is God's inspired word; what makes you think you can convince an atheist?

Many "Christians" also believe it's ok to do/believe several things against scripture. It's the new way/lie

Do you really think what they do/think or believe, is something that's going to change my mind?

 

[Speedwell]

You need to actually state a case why I'm not serious.

Where's your proof, post it...seriously.

I don't even know yet whether you accept the fact that random variation occurs. You won't tell me. It's rather like trying to prove Newton's theory of orbital mechanics to someone who want first to have it proven to him that the Sun and planets exist--and who won't even go outside and look up at the sky.

1. Random phenotypic variation occurs. Yes or no?
2. Variant traits are heritable. Yes or no?
3. Favorable traits are selected by the environment. Yes or no?

We haven't even got to the theory of evolution itself yet, and you are already balking at the observed facts that gave Darwin the idea for his theory to begin with, observed facts that selective breeders have known to be true since the dawn of domesticated agriculture. What are you going to be like when we get to the hard part, which may even require that you learn some math and science?

 

[Kenny'sID]

So what point is there other than you feeling like you're "defending" God/the Bible?

Just as you would be defending evolution, something you know you cannot do, so time to post and:

 

[Speedwell]

Many "Christians" also believe it's ok to do/believe several things against scripture. It's the new way/lie

Do you really think what they do/think or believe, is something that's going to change my mind?

What do you mean by "new?" Your way of looking at scripture did not even exist before the Reformation, and most of it is a 19th century invention.

 

[Ringo84]

Just as you would be defending evolution, something you know you cannot do, so time to post and:

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I was asked my opinion, and I gave it. Doesn't mean I have to defend it to you or anyone else. Interesting strategy, though, to make me an issue if you're so cocksure about your anti-evolution views.
Ringo

 

[Kenny'sID]

I don't even know yet whether you accept the fact that random variation occurs. You won't tell me. It's rather like trying to prove Newton's theory of orbital mechanics to someone who want first to have it proven to him that the Sun and planets exist--and who won't even go outside and look up at the sky.

First, if you are serious, you need to stop missing parts of my post, then playing like I've never addressed certain things and in this case playing the innocent party and making something my fault that is not. If you keep doing that I won't be taking you seriously anymore. Once again if you feel you need that trash in order to make your point, maybe I'd rather not waste my time with that seemingly frail argument.

That said, and as I know I have already said, we can take this in an orderly fashion...simply put a brief explanation to Random Variation, here, make it simple and short as you think I can understand and if I don't understand I'll ask questions.

That way others can see it, take it apart to see if any funny business is involved in the explanation. Plus we don't have to depend on one uneducated opposition to defend themselves against 10 that at least think they are educated . I mean you do want this as fair as possible right?

 

[Kenny'sID]

What do you mean by "new?" Your way of looking at scripture did not even exist before the Reformation, and most of it is a 19th century invention.

I don't have time to defend myself against more unproven nonsense, I mean not if you wan't me to work with the other unproven nonsense...one at a time.

Post your explanation from the other post now, and I'll be back whenever.