I agree, most people simply wont want ot admit what hey would do. or they are just tryiing to be smart. He should have simply given the options.
1 kill one kid.. or let them all die
1 kill one kid.. or let them all die
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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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I think that's because in these types of questions to go along with the "spirit of the game" you almost always have to accept a situation that would never happen or at the very least would have more possible solutions than the ones offered. And if the question isn't "what would you do in this situation if it happened to you" but rather "what would you do if the world was completely different so that you had to make this arbitrary choice (which probably is biased towards my particular world view in the analysis)." And that's just a game at that point.
I'll talk moral principles, discuss examples of them issue and talk about how they might apply to realistic situations, but I've never liked these gotcha games.
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Ooo I know!
You check the gun to see how many rounds it has.
If the gun is fully loaded you shoot twice in the air or toward the ceiling, "checking for blanks."
Then you call the dictator into the room announcing that you've killed a kid.
Once the dictator comes in to check out the dead kid you shoot him.
Or!
You ask the kids who their parents are. Seeing what nationality they are and hope that a special forces group arrives soon to save everyone.
Or!
You check the room out for a phone and if it has one you call for back up.
Or!
You look for a bathroom and see if you can fit any of the kids down the drain as an escape route.
Or!
You look for a bundle of clothes and see if you can disguise the kids as adults.
Or!
What the heck is the answer!
You check the gun to see how many rounds it has.
If the gun is fully loaded you shoot twice in the air or toward the ceiling, "checking for blanks."
Then you call the dictator into the room announcing that you've killed a kid.
Once the dictator comes in to check out the dead kid you shoot him.
Or!
You ask the kids who their parents are. Seeing what nationality they are and hope that a special forces group arrives soon to save everyone.
Or!
You check the room out for a phone and if it has one you call for back up.
Or!
You look for a bathroom and see if you can fit any of the kids down the drain as an escape route.
Or!
You look for a bundle of clothes and see if you can disguise the kids as adults.
Or!
What the heck is the answer!
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You pick a kid that is sleeping or in some way at least momentarily preoccupied and shoot him/her in the head, period, end of story.
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Zaac, the problem with your solution is that it isn't a solution- you've already been told to kill one of the children or they all die. By removing yourself you have failed to kill one of them, so now they're all dead.
I think I'd play the numbers game on this one- I'd shoot one to save the rest and try to live with it.
She says, sitting in her comfy office chair at at computer, thinking about going for lunch in about an hour.
It's impossible to tell what one would do, only what one thinks one would do.
I think I'd play the numbers game on this one- I'd shoot one to save the rest and try to live with it.
She says, sitting in her comfy office chair at at computer, thinking about going for lunch in about an hour.
It's impossible to tell what one would do, only what one thinks one would do.
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I'd let the children decide; not in the sense of telling them to pick one (which would inevitably lead to them singling out a scrawny boy with glasses, or a fat one), but in the sense of giving them the option of volunteering for the job - and thus becoming the saviour of the rest. (This is, of course, assuming that "kill one" or "let all get killed" are indeed the only two options available.)
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You're close.
That's where you go astray.
For anyone else still interested, remember that the question isn't how to save any children. It's whether or not you obey the dictator.
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I would not obey the dictator because he would be asking me to something I believe is morally wrong.
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The dictator's motivation is probably to get me to do something illegal so he can throw me in jail for the rest of my life or execute me.
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But as Freodin mentioned, why go through all that when you're a dictator? Why would he not just declare you guilty and do whatever he wants?
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I dont know whether the answer is to listen or not, but perhaps the reasoning behind him setting up this situation is to put you in the position he is often in, do you as an authority figure do what is good for the majority while directly having a negative effect on an individual or small group or do you avoid directly hurting anyone at the possible cost of everyones well being?
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Wow. I read the first eight pages and it looks like the majority say 'do nothing'. It's true. One death is a tragedy. 100 is a statistic.
I would close my eyes and shoot one at random. My own clear conscience is not worth the lives of 99 children.
I would close my eyes and shoot one at random. My own clear conscience is not worth the lives of 99 children.
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No, the dictator killed 100 children. Sojo is no more responsible for his actions than you are for mine.
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Okay fine, you didn't actually kill them, but you had the opportunity to stop them from being killed and you didn't take it because you didn't want personal guilt.
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