If one is acknowledging that the will of God in regard to sin is right and true then they are also believing that their sin is bad, wrong, not good, evil.. If a person thought their sins where good and ok they would never even acknowledge their actions to God as being sin.. People often reject God because they are offended when they are told by the word of God that the things they do and enjoy are sins.. People like that never acknowledge anything to God.. So repentance is wrapped up in acknowledgement.
Would you say that christians who support gay marriage are saved?
I acknowledge that homosexual "marriages" are not accepted in the eyes of God, and from 1 Cor 6:9 we know that such "christians" will not be saved:
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals
...and yes, there are gay christian churches out there. I know of one in my city.
No way.. LORD means God in the scriptures Jesus and God are One Jesus is God manifested in the flesh.. If you do not believe in the divinity of God then we believe in two different Jesus... Anyone who claims they can live without sinning the Bible declares that the truth is not in them..
I'm not debating that issue. Jesus is God, and he is the Lord. Lord means master, Jesus is our Lord, our Master. If you deny that Jesus is our Master, you deny that he is the Lord.
Anyone who claims they can't stop sinning is denying the power that God's grace can have on them.
"1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
I agree. The gnostics didn't believe they acquired sin against them personally, but thought only their flesh had the sin, and their spirits were clean. I on the other hand accept the fact that we as people have sin, against us.
This is consistent because the notion of having sin, is different from committing sin, and have does not mean commit. "Have sin" implies carrying guilt of sin. So, I do have the guilt from sin.
See John 9:41
NASB:
Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, 'We see,' your sin remains.
ESV: Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no guilt; but now that you say, ‘We see,’ your guilt remains.
Once again putting words into my mouth that i never said """Wilful sin"" when did i say in my posts that it was ok to engage in wilful sin ????? That's right i NEVER said that anywhere, But here you are putting words into my mouth again.. Words that i never said.. Of course i believe the Bible when it talks of wilful sin.. But wilful sin is different from sin.. Willful sin is a sin done with an in your face rebellious attitude towards God and those who engage in willful sin do not have the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. I believe the scriptures when they say:::
What's with your bizarre over-reactions???? Didn't I already say that I'm just going along with what I can tell from what you're saying? Please correct me if I'm mistaken about what you mean to say. You don't have to call me a "FALSE ACCUSER" or a person who's putting words in your mouth. That's quite disrespectful, and I can't imagine that you'd actually talk face to face with people in that manner.
Better language may be like this,
"Near, I'm a bit surprised that you think I believe that, and I'm not quite sure how you came to that conclusion about what I believe, but I believe, in contrast to what you said ... sorry If I wasn't clear enough".
Regardless, thanks for clarifying, and it is sometimes difficult to understand exactly where you're coming from. So, it seems you're saying that anyone engaging in willful doesn't have forgiveness. So, does that mean that you believe anyone who commits willful sin as a christian is damned? It seems that I am going to hell then, because I had dealt with an addiction after becoming a christian and I willfully engaged in sin against God. I believe I have been forgiven though, because the blood of Jesus is still available to anyone who stumbles or falls.
No matter how much we might desire to be the perfect sinless beings we shall never achieve that state of being in this life.. Therefore we are constantly in need of the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ for all the sins we shall commit into the future..
While the blood of Jesus is always available, and we've stumbled in the past. I know of no good argument that says we can never achieve a state of sinlessness in theory.
If you view / interpretation of scripture keeps on changing then How on earth can you believe that you are lead by the Holy Spirit into understanding what Scripture is saying????? Do you realize that by saying what i have just quoted above you have totally undermined your Authority?
EXCUSE ME!!!! DID I SAY KEEP ON CHANGING, STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH YOU FALSE ACCUSER!!! I SAID MY VIEWS HAVE CHANGED IN THE PAST!!!! NOT "KEEP ON CHANGING"!!!
See that? That's me making fun of how you respond. It's so childish.
Secondly, I don't claim I was always led by the holy spirit, only that I'm not infallible, and I'm not the ultimate authority on scripture, and neither are you. Men who claim to be the sole authority on scripture, and say they can never change their views even if good arguments are made, are quite like cultists who claim that they are the only one's who can possibly be right, for no good reasons.
I've studied philosophy and understand epistemology, and that's why I've said what I've said. I have no reason or goal to impress anyone by referring to myself as a person who can never be wrong about his views and can never change in the face of reasoning. God has led me through a path of reasoning, not blind acceptance. That's how I've changed my views, reasoning, and learning new concepts. Don't compare yourself to a prophet, and no I'm not saying you said you are, but you're almost sounding as if you are.
Loving God is loving His Word.. But loving His Word does not mean we live in perfect alignment with His Word.. I can greatly admire a painting done by a gifted artist but that does not mean i can then go out and paint a work of art the equal of that great painter..Just because i cannot produce a great work of Art does not then prove that i hate the art and the great artists.. My ability to do what i admire has no bearing on my admiration for what i love.. So with God i admire and Love His Will and standards, His perfection.. Me failing to live up to those standards does not then mean i now hate Gods will...
God's Word? You mean the Word of God, or the bible?
If you love the bible, that's not loving the Word of God. That's loving the book of God. Not the same. Jesus is The Word of God. "See John 1:1"
Although if one loves the bible, it's likely that one loves God, just saying, they aren't the same.
To love God, we don't simple admire the bible. We keep his commandments and his commandments are not burdensome or impossible to keep, even though we may stumble.
1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
John 14:21
Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him."
Now, what I'm saying is, if you don't love God, you aren't saved. I'm also saying anyone who lives in sin, does not love God and is not saved. Any disagreement there?
I'll also say, a christian's love for God can grow cold, and disappear. That has happened for me personally in the past, and I've come back to Christ. I was not saved while I hated God with my sin.
Only abiding in the love of God, are we saved.
So, can a christian hate God, and still be saved in that hate?
Can I hate my brothers or sisters, and still be saved in that hate?
If no, then we're on the same page. If yes, then you're saying a person can sin against God and men and be saved while in those sins.