Young Earth Creationists unite!

[lovegod_will]

The whole idea of taking somethings as alligorical and others not- well i allways thought the first 5 books of the Bible were written as historical fact, they are written in that style!

 

[muffler dragon]

I am YEC.

 

[Ron21647]

I hope you are either exagerating greatly, or you are just making this up, please provide a link to this "doctrine."

I made it clear in an earlier post what my stance on theistic evolutionists is.

although my post was next after yours, I was quoting Dynamic Drummer. He said that in so many words on June 16, posts timed 12:35AM. 1:00AM, and 10:15AM.

In other threads, Bizzlebin Imperator and Underdog77 have made similar claims. I did not mean that it was their official doctrine, I don't know that they have one. But there are certainly enough people posting here claiming that you can't be a Theistic Evolutionist and be saved.

It is not my intention to bring the moderators down on these people. I am secure in what I believe, and have made posts in those threads saying so. I just figure that they don't know any better, and I am trying to broaden their horizons, just as mine are broadened by coming here and reading these.

Ron

 

[Ron21647]

So we go from YEC being responsible to many deconversoions to some deconversions? I know of no one that has every been "deconverted" because of YEC.

"We" didn't go from anything to anything. Seeb posted the term "many", I said that it seemed a bit harsh, and said I think at least "some".

There are a lot of people in our church who have such a dependence on the Bible being interpreted 100% literal, that I am convinced they would lose their faith if confonted with evidence to the contrary that they could not help but believe.

Ron

 

[Ron21647]

I'm right behind ya'. I would like some scriptures that say the earth is flat, not scriputures that can be taken to mean that the earth is flat. Is there a verse in the bible that says, "God caused the earth to be flat...."? No. Also, are there verses that say the earth is the very center of the universe? To God, the Earth very well might be the center of all creation. I'll be sure to ask Him when I die.

The common scientific belief among the Babylonians and the Egyptians, who were the scientists in this part of the world during the time the Old Testament was written, was that the earth is flat and the center of the universe. There are many places in the Bible which can be interpreted as going along with this belief. Even in today's language, we say "the sun rises", rather than "the earth has rotated us towrd the sun".

The Greeks proved by scientific measurement that the earth was round, during the period of time between the Old Testament and the New. They did this by noting that the sun would shine vertically down a well on one day, then on a different day, shine vertically down another well which was hundreds of miles to the north. And by measuring the angle at one well when it was vertical in the other, they were able to come up with an estimate of the size of the earth.

The earth was believed to be the center of the solar system until Galileo and Copernicus in the late Middle Ages.


Ron

 

[TwinCrier]

I am a YEC. I was an evolutionists all my life, but once I accept Christ I decided to put the faith I had always put in the evolutionalry books and just transfer it over to the bible. It was hard at first what with being brainwashed all those years. I believe God wrote the bible and I'm pretty sure men wrote the other books, so it was a n easy decision. I figure if my some chance God was wrong and i am beilieving a lie, God will have to forgive me since He is the one who told the lie. However, I don't think Charles Darwin will forgive me if his theory turns out to be false.

 

[DynamicDrummer]

"We" didn't go from anything to anything. Seeb posted the term "many", I said that it seemed a bit harsh, and said I think at least "some".

There are a lot of people in our church who have such a dependence on the Bible being interpreted 100% literal, that I am convinced they would lose their faith if confonted with evidence to the contrary that they could not help but believe.

Ron

Give me three people who have been deconverted because of YEC OUTSIDE of this forum that you know of.

 

[DynamicDrummer]

The common scientific belief among the Babylonians and the Egyptians, who were the scientists in this part of the world during the time the Old Testament was written, was that the earth is flat and the center of the universe. There are many places in the Bible which can be interpreted as going along with this belief. Even in today's language, we say "the sun rises", rather than "the earth has rotated us towrd the sun".

The Greeks proved by scientific measurement that the earth was round, during the period of time between the Old Testament and the New. They did this by noting that the sun would shine vertically down a well on one day, then on a different day, shine vertically down another well which was hundreds of miles to the north. And by measuring the angle at one well when it was vertical in the other, they were able to come up with an estimate of the size of the earth.

The earth was believed to be the center of the solar system until Galileo and Copernicus in the late Middle Ages.


Ron

I'm NOT asking what the common scientific belief back in those days was. I'm asking WHERE in the bible does it say the earth is flat. And don't give me a verse where if you kinda tinker with it a little bit and twist it, it could mean the earth was flat.

 

[Ron21647]

Give me three people who have been deconverted because of YEC OUTSIDE of this forum that you know of.

give me any at all that have been deconverted INSIDE of this forum. what's your point?

I'm not going to name names, and there are only two (that I know personally). unless you have been coming to my church, you wouldn't know them anyway.

so again, what's the point?

Ron

 

[GodSaves]

This is the problem I have seen. People talk of their beliefs and try to say that the Bible says their belief is true. Misinterpretation of the Bible. I do not see how "the sun rises" indicates that the earth is the center of the universe. It is a phrase, and to take this phrase and use it as proof is to misinterpret it.

And let me say one more thing. If one saying they are a Christian, and turns to another Christian and says, you are a YEC, why don't you believe the earth is the center of the universe, you are causing great harm to Christianity as a whole. To make this statement think what you are really saying. That one who is dedicated to Christ and believes in a young earth creation, must believe that the earth is the center of the universe which proves that the Bible is a lie. And if the Bible is a lie, then all one has believed in is false. I am sure this isn't what is meant, but this is the implications of that statement.

God Bless

 

[Ron21647]

I'm NOT asking what the common scientific belief back in those days was. I'm asking WHERE in the bible does it say the earth is flat. And don't give me a verse where if you kinda tinker with it a little bit and twist it, it could mean the earth was flat.

Let's try something different. I haven't finished reading this thread I am giving you, so I don't know how it comes out. Read the whole thing before you post to it or vote in the forum. (or you may have been posting there already and I haven't gotten that far).

Anything you don't agree with, look it up on two sites - one which agrees with your point of view, and one that doesn't. For the ones that don't agree with you, you could start on the talk origins site, and follow links from there. For the ones you do agree with, go to Dr. Dino or wherever. See which makes the most sense. I realize this could take a long time, but if you actually want to learn, then a little time and effort are required.

http://www.christianforums.com/t93563 - "How Old is the Universe"

Ron

 

[Ron21647]

I'm NOT asking what the common scientific belief back in those days was. I'm asking WHERE in the bible does it say the earth is flat. And don't give me a verse where if you kinda tinker with it a little bit and twist it, it could mean the earth was flat.

Ok, one more and I am done with this thread.

I got this link form another thread in this forum called "Holy Bible and a Flat Earth", started June 13. you ought to read it, probably more posters there agree with you than with me.

http://freespace.virgin.net/karl_and.gnome/creationisminconsistent.htm

when you are reading the scripture quotes, remember that the people of the day, to whom it was originally written, interpreted their universe as I stated above. Now days, most literalists would agree that the flat earth interpretation is wrong, because we all know that the earth is not flat.

Some of us feel the same way about a 6 day 144 hour creation.

Ron

 

[mark kennedy]

So far, I've only seen about 2 other Young Earth Creationist besides myself. If you believe in a literal 6-day creation, without evolution, by God about 6,000 years ago with a flood occurring about 4400 years ago, with Jesus' first coming about 2000 years ago, post here.

I'm a young earth creationist, I have not read the rest of the thread but you said for us to post here...so... count me in if you are starting a club or something.

 

[Asar'el]

This is the problem I have seen. People talk of their beliefs and try to say that the Bible says their belief is true. Misinterpretation of the Bible. I do not see how "the sun rises" indicates that the earth is the center of the universe. It is a phrase, and to take this phrase and use it as proof is to misinterpret it.

I agree with this entirely. I still (and will) watch the sun rise, and sun set, and I'm certain anyone I say that too knows just what I am talking about, and does not twist it around to something I am not saying.

And let me say one more thing. If one saying they are a Christian, and turns to another Christian and says, you are a YEC, why don't you believe the earth is the center of the universe, you are causing great harm to Christianity as a whole. To make this statement think what you are really saying. That one who is dedicated to Christ and believes in a young earth creation, must believe that the earth is the center of the universe which proves that the Bible is a lie. And if the Bible is a lie, then all one has believed in is false. I am sure this isn't what is meant, but this is the implications of that statement.

God Bless

I agree with this also. 'Earth at the centre of the universe' is only important if you can show that's what Scripture declares - and has, in essence, nothing to do with recent creation (still don't like to say young - 6000 years is old by my reckoning!).

Speculating, however, lol... we don't know the universe well enough to decide where the centre of it is. For some reason I am reminded of that scene in 'Men in Black' at the end, where the perspective shifts out-and-out until our universe is just a marble in a game ... such a perspective (which God has) would clear up some questions, eh?

 

[DynamicDrummer]

Let's try something different. I haven't finished reading this thread I am giving you, so I don't know how it comes out. Read the whole thing before you post to it or vote in the forum. (or you may have been posting there already and I haven't gotten that far).
Ron

GOOD GREIF! I'm the one who MADE this thread!

 

[Ron21647]

GOOD GREIF! I'm the one who MADE this thread!

You started
http://www.christianforums.com/t93563 - "How Old is the Universe"
?

That's funny, it says "Sinai" started it. How many names are you on here as?

Do you read anything all the way through? That's ok if you don't, you aren't the only one who posts replies without reading what he is replying to.

Ron

 

[DynamicDrummer]

You started
http://www.christianforums.com/t93563 - "How Old is the Universe"
?

That's funny, it says "Sinai" started it. How many names are you on here as?

Do you read anything all the way through? That's ok if you don't, you aren't the only one who posts replies without reading what he is replying to.

Ron

I made this thread called Dragons/Dinosaurs. That's what I was talking about. Oh and by the way, I'm done! No more for me. Take care Ron! I hope to see you also in heaven when all is said and done!

 

[zoink]

Oops wrong thread I think.

 

[Ron21647]

I was really hoping he would go over and read the other thread, looking up both the points he agreed with and those he did not, hopefully learning something in the process. I certainly wasn't about to copy all that stuff over here.

Ron

 

[mhess13]

I am YEC.
I'm not ashamed of God's word. The Bible is true! If God said it, I believe it, and that settles it.