Young Earth Creationists unite!

[DynamicDrummer]

So far, I've only seen about 2 other Young Earth Creationist besides myself. If you believe in a literal 6-day creation, without evolution, by God about 6,000 years ago with a flood occurring about 4400 years ago, with Jesus' first coming about 2000 years ago, post here.

 

[DynamicDrummer]

Just me...sigh...

 

[ern]

Im here

 

[DynamicDrummer]

One reason I made this thread is because I want to see who is who. I don't see how someone can "ride the fence" by believing in God and at the same time, evolution. They need to get on one side or the other. And if I am irritating them, oh well. If I'm rubbing their fur up the wrong way, then let the "cat" turn around.

 

[ern]

They need to get on one side or the other.

Thats not a very good attitude to have.

Romans 14:1-4

1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

 

[DynamicDrummer]

Oops, sorry. I'll watch what I say from now on.

 

[DynamicDrummer]

Are most of these guys saved though? I'm not debating them to say, "Ha ha! I told you so." I just want these guys who believe in theistic evolution to be in heaven with me and ride back on white horses, ya know?

 

[ern]

I know you were not trying to be mean, but its important that we remember we are all brothers in Christ.

Are most of these guys saved though?

Yes. See sig.

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

And when, exactly, did salvation depend upon a particular interpretation of Genesis 1?

 

[lovegod_will]

im a YEC, as Karl already knows, and i 2 am curious to how else believes in YEC, cos im told im in a minority.
God bless you all
P.S salvation doesn't depend on an interpretation of genesis 1, unless that interpretation has far reaching affects on our interpretation of God, so Process thought/theodicy would be wrong because of what it implies about God based on its interpretation of Genesis

 

[owen_rocks]

I'm a YEC, although I rarely post or read these forums. I find the foundational axiomatic starting points to be so different for many of the posters that debates seem to turn into slugfests or mockfests. For example, I believe the Bible is the infallible Word of God, free from any error, and should be interpreted by a grammatic historical method. From that flows my belief that all that the Bible says is true..including a literal 6 day creation, global flood, Moses was a real person, the Exodus really happened, etc. God rules my life through His Word. I will not deny it nor allow anything to contradict it. So if I debate with somebody on origins who believes Genesis is a collection of made up stories...how do we proceed?

But I commend you on your correct view of scripture and desire to defend God's Word. You will want to be well informed.

I've been impressed with some of the information put out by Answers in Genesis. Dr. Sarfati's books: Refuting Evolution, Refuting Evolution #2, and Refuting Compromise are excellent resources. If you haven't read them
you will want to.

peace and may the Lord bless you,

o/r

ps. I expect my resource list to be ridiculed. Read the books for yourself and decide.

 

[DynamicDrummer]

And when, exactly, did salvation depend upon a particular interpretation of Genesis 1?

It doesn't, but when people have the viewpoint you do, they start to doubt little parts of the bible like the "SUPPOSED" flat earth, which you can read my comments on in the Dinosaurs/Dragons thread, then they start to doubt other parts of scripture. Soon, after they have a handful of scriptures that seem to be incorrect, they then start to doubt the bible as a whole. When they doubt the whole bible, then they start to doubt that God is the God of the Universe. When that happens, since Jesus was God Almighty in the flesh, they start to doubt Jesus and what he said and did. Once they doubt Jesus...you get the point. And just to set the record straight, Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven, not a combonation of faith and works.

 

[Ron21647]

It doesn't, but when people have the viewpoint you do, they start to doubt little parts of the bible like the "SUPPOSED" flat earth, which you can read my comments on in the Dinosaurs/Dragons thread, then they start to doubt other parts of scripture. Soon, after they have a handful of scriptures that seem to be incorrect, they then start to doubt the bible as a whole. When they doubt the whole bible, then they start to doubt that God is the God of the Universe. When that happens, since Jesus was God Almighty in the flesh, they start to doubt Jesus and what he said and did. Once they doubt Jesus...you get the point. And just to set the record straight, Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven, not a combonation of faith and works.

not true at all. I've posted this in another thread, but I will say it again. I've been a Christian and an evolutionist for over 40 years. 40 years from now you may see that the world isn't as black and white as you seem to think it is now.

Ron

 

[seebs]

Actually, the most common problem is that, when people find that what they think the Bible says turns out to be wrong, if they're totally attached to the literal interpretation, they often throw the whole thing out.

YEC is responsible for more deconversions than nearly everything. It's like geocentrism, only people are much more committed to it.

Out of curiousity, how many of our YECs are geocentrists? If you aren't, what's your excuse for denying the clear teaching of the Bible?

 

[DynamicDrummer]

Actually, the most common problem is that, when people find that what they think the Bible says turns out to be wrong, if they're totally attached to the literal interpretation, they often throw the whole thing out.

YEC is responsible for more deconversions than nearly everything. It's like geocentrism, only people are much more committed to it.

Out of curiousity, how many of our YECs are geocentrists? If you aren't, what's your excuse for denying the clear teaching of the Bible?

Where did you get that YEC is responsible for more deconversions than nearly everything? Now, is geocentrism the belief that the earth is the center of the universe, or that all the planets revolve around the earth? I sometimes forget . What does the bible teach? Give me the verses.

 

[ern]

YEC is responsible for more deconversions than nearly everything. It's like geocentrism, only people are much more committed to it.

I'd be willing to bet that the belief that Jesus is the only way to salvation is responsible for more deconversions than YEC. On other, non-Christian, religious forums I visit, the Creation and Evolution debate is almost non-existent; people constantly bring up the fact that Christians believe that salvation can only be attained through Jesus Christ, and how close-minded that is. Should we then stop teaching that Jesus is the only way to recieve salvation? Of course not.

I do agree that YEC can turn people off though, which is why I think that people should not be converted through teaching YEC. It will only sow seeds on the path, where their belief in evolution causes them to immediately dismiss Christianity. Or it will sow it among the rocks, where they accept it, but get persecuted by their peers for their belief in YEC.

 

[Ron21647]

Where did you get that YEC is responsible for more deconversions than nearly everything?

I don't know that it is factually true, but it certainly is reponsible for some.

By the YEC own doctrine, which you can read anywhere in this forum or in the other forum on the topic but open to all, we hear over and over again that if we do not read Genesis literally the same way they do, then we cannot believe any of the Bible and we cannot be Christians.

So, what are you to do if you come across a passage that you do not want to take in a literal manner? Are you going to interpret that portion differently and continue to believe the portions that are important to salvation, or are you going to throw the whole thing away?

I try to interpret in such a way as to fit the observed facts.

Ron

 

[Ron21647]

Now, is geocentrism the belief that the earth is the center of the universe, or that all the planets revolve around the earth? I sometimes forget . What does the bible teach? Give me the verses.

I forget also, the ancient belief is that the earth was the center of everything.

You can make a few personal observations and prove the earth is not the center of the solar system. If you observe Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn, all visible easlily, over a period of time, they will appear to sometimes move backwards against the background of stars compared to most of the time. If we assume they move around the earth, then they must be physically reversing their direction for a period of time, then changing back again. To the ancients, this is not a problem, they didn't worry about things like inertia and where would the energy come from, not to mention that having it slow down and stop so it could go the other direction would cause it to fall towards us due to gravity.

If we place both the earth and the other planets moving around the sun, because the earth is closer to the sun, and its time of revolution is shorter, it catches up to and passes these planets once a year. Because of the angles involved in the line of sight, they appear to be moving backward during the time of closest approach, and moving the other direction the rest of the year.

You can do this by drawing two circles on a page, one inside the other. Label the inner one earth, and the outer one mars. Since mars moves slower, we won't move it for our example. let the earth be moving clockwise, and draw straight lines (line of sight) from the earth, through mars to the stars at the edge of the page. Do one line for just before they pass, one for when the are next to each other, and one when the earth has passed it. See how the star pointed at changes as the earth moves? Now put the earth on the opposite side of its circle, keep it moving the same direction (clockwise in our example), and draw three lines for before, when they are across from each other, and after. Mars will appear to be moving the opposite direction against the backgound in this case.

Now if someone tells you to interpret the Bible with the earth at the center of the solar system, which are you going to believe?

Ron

 

[aeroz19]

So far, I've only seen about 2 other Young Earth Creationist besides myself. If you believe in a literal 6-day creation, without evolution, by God about 6,000 years ago with a flood occurring about 4400 years ago, with Jesus' first coming about 2000 years ago, post here.

*high-five* Hey there, glad to see ya. There are more YEC people on this site, but they won't post here because they see this thread as an opportunity for OEC and others to mock us in an open forum.

 

[ShilohCity]

I am a Young Earth Creationist, as is my wife. I believe this for two reasons. One, I believe the Bible as literal in the account of creation. Two, I have yet to see any evidence to contradict a young earth and much to uphold it (but this is not the thread to argue the point, i'm sure there are many others for that.)

Where in the Bible is Geocentrism supposedly taught?