you'll hate this thread, I guarantee it.

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yes but the OP, and this thread, is about how we worship corporately compared to what Scripture actually shows us.

That is my view.

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John
2 (although Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples),
3 he left Judea, and departed again into Galilee.
4 And he must needs pass through Samaria.
5 So he cometh to a city of Samaria/samareiaV <4540>, called Sychar/sucar <4965>, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph:
6 Was yet there a spring/phgh <4077> of the Jacob. The then Jesus having wearied out of the journey, seated thus on the spring/phgh <4077>. Hour was being sixth.
11 She saith unto him--Lord! not even a bucket, hast thou,--and the well/frear <5421> is deep/baqu <901>:--Whence then hast thou the living water?
12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob who gave us the well/frear <5421>,--and himself out of it drank, and his sons, and his flocks?
19 The woman saith to him, `Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet;
20 the fathers of us in the Mountain, this, did worship, and ye are saying that in Jerusalem is the place where is binding to be worshipping.'
24 A Spirit, the GodYHWH, and the ones-worshipping Him, in spirit and truth is binding to be worshipping.'

 

[Asinner]

Because they have all added to Scripture.

That is false. Again, you claim the Liturgy is not Divine . . . yet you've never been.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That is false. Again, you claim the Liturgy is not Divine . . . yet you've never been.

To tell the truth neither have I, except for the Catholics mass.
If a baptized Christian comes to an Orthodox service, would he be allowed to partake of the "communion"? Just curious.

 

[mont974x4]

That is false. Again, you claim the Liturgy is not Divine . . . yet you've never been.

You have stated the use of icons etc. Do you not use censors with incense? Candles? Do you not have a rigid schedule of events?

It is a matter of logic and common sense.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

You have stated the use of icons etc. Do you not use censors with incense? Candles? Do you not have a rigid schedule of events?

It is a matter of logic and common sense.

Do you not see these things in heavenly worship in the book Revelation? Is that just for then and not for now?

Forgive me...

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

...Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven...

Forgive me...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You have stated the use of icons etc. Do you not use censors with incense? Candles? Do you not have a rigid schedule of events?

It is a matter of logic and common sense.

No one is asking you to look at them the same way they do. Me thinks you focus on that too much, when it is simply a group of Christians coming together to worship and praise.

To tell the truth, I get kind of tired of hearing that so much from Protestants, and if you feel that uncomfortable about it, then just don't go to their service.

 

[christianmomof3]

Do you not see these things in heavenly worship in the book Revelation? Is that just for then and not for now?

Forgive me...

I have never seen icons in the book of Revelation.
I have never seen a rigid schedule of events there either.
The book of Revelation is symbolic.
It does mention incense and censors:
Rev 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

Rev 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

however, I do not think there is any mention of the early saints using incense in their prayers or activities. It was done in the Jewish services though.

 

[mont974x4]

LLoJ I am simply discussing the topic of the thread.


Where do we see an example of the modern church service in the NT church? We don't. We have ALL added to it. We have ALL made more of it than is required.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

LLoJ I am simply discussing the topic of the thread.


Where do we see an example of the modern church service in the NT church? We don't. We have ALL added to it. We have ALL made more of it than is required.

I tend to agree.

Would this be considered a church service, and how was it done?

1 corin 11:26 For as often ever ye may be eating the bread, this, and the drink-cup ye may be drinking, the death of the Lord ye are according-messaging/kataggellete <2605> (5719) until which ever He may be coming/elqh <2064> (5632)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

To tell the truth neither have I, except for the Catholics mass.
If a baptized Christian comes to an Orthodox service, would he be allowed to partake of the "communion"? Just curious.

Oh, I never saw a response to the above post.

 

[wannabeadesigirl]

Just tossing a thought out there:

What if both worship styles were meant to be combined? I mean Jesus undoubtedly taught in the fields, and sang Psalms and worship songs as he and his men walked around Palestine. However he also observed Jewishh festivals according to the time they were celebrated, he went into the Temple, and probably observed his fair share of burnt offerings (though he didn't offer any himself). As the head of his household after Joseph died, he probably led Sabbath worship in the home. In all of this he worshipped his Father with joy, peace, and love, adoring being in the presence of his Father, and talking with him.

So if Jesus observed both styles, why shouldn't we? Sure, have informal church services, eat potluck dinners after worship, sing praise songs every day of your life. Also set aside a time to have a calmer service too, more formal, and somber.

If God is the God of all things, then either way your worship will be blessed if you do it in truth, in the spirit, and in Love. You can't fail.

 

[mont974x4]

I tend to agree.

Would this be considered a church service, and how was it done?

1 corin 11:26 For as often ever ye may be eating the bread, this, and the drink-cup ye may be drinking, the death of the Lord ye are according-messaging/kataggellete <2605> (5719) until which ever He may be coming/elqh <2064> (5632)

Paul is describing the proper way to have communion in that passage. It was part of their fellowship. As it was part of the Last Supper it appears to have also been done during a meal.

 

[mont974x4]

Just tossing a thought out there:

What if both worship styles were meant to be combined? I mean Jesus undoubtedly taught in the fields, and sang Psalms and worship songs as he and his men walked around Palestine. However he also observed Jewishh festivals according to the time they were celebrated, he went into the Temple, and probably observed his fair share of burnt offerings (though he didn't offer any himself). As the head of his household after Joseph died, he probably led Sabbath worship in the home. In all of this he worshipped his Father with joy, peace, and love, adoring being in the presence of his Father, and talking with him.

So if Jesus observed both styles, why shouldn't we? Sure, have informal church services, eat potluck dinners after worship, sing praise songs every day of your life. Also set aside a time to have a calmer service too, more formal, and somber.

If God is the God of all things, then either way your worship will be blessed if you do it in truth, in the spirit, and in Love. You can't fail.

Simply put, I'm not a Jew and such things were never commanded of Gentile believers.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Oh, I never saw a response to the above post.

No. http://audio.ancientfaith.com/illuminedheart/ih_ware.mp3

Forgive me...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

No. http://audio.ancientfaith.com/illuminedheart/ih_ware.mp3

Forgive me...

Can't you just state briefly here what the Orthodox view is? My comp is a little flakey right now. Thanks.

 

[christianmomof3]

No. http://audio.ancientfaith.com/illuminedheart/ih_ware.mp3

Forgive me...

the audio did not work for me.
But, the answer no is enough isn't it?
I don't think that Jesus would tell them no.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I have never seen icons in the book of Revelation.
I have never seen a rigid schedule of events there either.
The book of Revelation is symbolic.
It does mention incense and censors:
Rev 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

Rev 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

however, I do not think there is any mention of the early saints using incense in their prayers or activities. It was done in the Jewish services though.

What do you think St. James was thrown from the top of the Temple for?

Do you beleive that St. Luke wrote the first Icon used by Christians? (Mary presenting the Christ child.) Why did he do that? Who aprroved of having a paintings of departed loved ones at services? Was it not the whole Church that approved? We see them as alive in Christ, having partaken in his death and resurrection, do you see them as dead?

Forgive me...

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

the audio did not work for me.
But, the answer no is enough isn't it?
I don't think that Jesus would tell them no.

Do you know how dangerous we understand it is to partake of The Eucharist unprepared?

Forgive me...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Forgive me...

Well letsa me see..........

Luke 21:20 `Whenever yet ye may be seeing being surrounded/kukloumenhn<2944> by armies/hosts/strato-pedwn <4760>, Jerusalem then be ye knowing that has neared the desolating of her

Revelation 19:11 And I saw the heaven having been opened, and lo, a white horse, and He who is sitting upon it is called Faithful and True, and in Righteousness doth He judge and war, 14 And the armies/host/strateumata <4753> in the heaven were following to Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen--white and pure;