you'll hate this thread, I guarantee it.

mont974x4 · Mar 15, 2008

They just can't admit that their worship services are man-made as well.

Scripture simply does not give a description of any rigid services being performed. What we do know is that they met frequently for fellowship/worship/communion/teaching/preaching. And that they took collections to help those in need.

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 15, 2008

OrthodoxyUSA said:
True! Concerning Orthodox worship anyway.

A completed one.

Forgive me...

In what way is it completed? Do the Orthodox believe in the 2nd coming of Jesus, and what happens when He does come? Thanks.

1 corin 11:26 For as often ever ye may be eating the bread, this, and the drink-cup ye may be drinking, the death of the Lord ye are according-messaging/kataggellete <2605> (5719) until which ever He may be coming/elqh <2064> (5632)

Reve 19:11 And I perceived the heaven having be opened and Lo! A horse, white and the One sitting on it/him being called Faithful and True and in justice He is judging and is battling.

http://christianforums.com/t6920830-question-for-roman-catholics-only-on-parousia.html
question-for-roman-catholics-only-on-parousia

holdon · Mar 15, 2008

OrthodoxyUSA said:
Me?

A serious discussion?

How many of my 10,800 posts have you read? You want to go over all of them?

Forgive me...

See?

Asinner · Mar 15, 2008

mont974x4 said:
They just can't admit that their worship services are man-made as well.

Have you ever attended a Divine Liturgy?

mont974x4 · Mar 15, 2008

Asinner said:
Have you ever attended a Divine Liturgy?

I've been to many rc services as well as services of other religions. I have also spent more than a couple hours talking to an orthodox priest.

Trento · Mar 15, 2008

LittleLambofJesus said:
Hi Trento. I just saw this post and will bring it up again.
Again you mention Protestants services being man-made and I will again state I do not appeal to the ECF's concerning their views of the Sacrificial Worship and why I still say the Orthodox and RCC practice a form of OC judaism.
That is just my own humble thoughts.

Without the E.C.F. we would not know Jesus because there would be no Canon of Scripture.

As this Protestant Historian suggests-

Next to the Holy Scriptures, which are themselves a history and depository of divine revelation, there is no stronger proof of the continual presence of Christ with his people, no more thorough vindication of Christianity, no richer source of spiritual wisdom and experience, no deeper incentive to virtue and piety, than the history of Christ's kingdom. Every age has a message from God to man, which is of the greatest importance for man to understand.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The early Church fathers steered this young church through turbulent cultural and mythological currents of the world around them. Their writings provided guidance and assurance to early Christians whose faith was not only doctrinally challenged, since copies of Scripture were rare and costly, but who often suffered persecution and even martyrdom. Contemporary believers will find in these records a fascinating glimpse of the first centuries following the death and resurrection of Christ, and will be given rich insight into the growth and history of the Christian Church.[/FONT]
They represent primary evidences of the Canon and the credibility of the New Testament. Written before the Canon was established, the works of the Ante-Nicene Fathers offers itself as a means to defend the Christian faith, to record the martyrdom of the early Christian church body, and to stand as monuments to the power of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Protestant Church historian Philip Schaff, in his History of the Christian Church, Vol. III: Nicene and Post-Nicene Christianity (A.D. 70 AD),

Asinner · Mar 15, 2008

mont974x4 said:
I've been to many rc services as well as services of other religions. I have also spent more than a couple hours talking to an orthodox priest.

The Catholic and Orthodox are not the same. Our worship is not like the Catholic worship. May I ask that until you attend a Liturgy you refrain from making comments about it.

Love,
Christina

mont974x4 · Mar 15, 2008

Sure you can ask.

Was my assessment wrong? Is it different than any other denomination that has designed an organized service itnerary? Does it actually stick to the bare essentials we see in Scripture alone?

Asinner · Mar 15, 2008

mont974x4 said:
Was my assessment wrong?

Yes.

Is it different than any other denomination that has designed an organized service itnerary? Does it actually stick to the bare essentials we see in Scripture alone?

I invite you to come and see.

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 15, 2008

Asinner said:
The Catholic and Orthodox are not the same. Our worship is not like the Catholic worship.

Love,
Christina

Glad to hear that. The RC's version of the Sacrifice of the Mass is also confusing.
Btw, there is still yet one more "sacrifice" to come

Ezekiel 39:17 " And as for you, son of adam, thus says Adonai YHWH, 'Speak to every sort of bird and to every beast of the field: "Assemble yourselves and come; Gather together from all sides to My sacrifice Which I am sacrificing for you, A great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel, that you may eat flesh and drink blood. [Revelation 19]

Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice/qusian <2378>: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

mont974x4 · Mar 15, 2008

I'd like a straight answer, please.

I would bet we all know that you were being a touch dishonest when you said I was wrong on my assessment. There is no denomination that sticks to what the Bible actually tells us.

That doesn't meant that the services aren't beautiful and moving. It simply means that men have added an itinerary, or agenda if you will, to the services where Scripture doesn't call for one.

OrthodoxyUSA · Mar 15, 2008

LittleLambofJesus said:
In what way is it completed? Do the Orthodox believe in the 2nd coming of Jesus, and what happens when He does come? Thanks.

1 corin 11:26 For as often ever ye may be eating the bread, this, and the drink-cup ye may be drinking, the death of the Lord ye are according-messaging/kataggellete <2605> (5719) until which ever He may be coming/elqh <2064> (5632)

http://christianforums.com/t6920830-question-for-roman-catholics-only-on-parousia.html
question-for-roman-catholics-only-on-parousia

Yes... we beleive in a second coming.

Forgive me...

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 15, 2008

OrthodoxyUSA said:
Yes... we beleive in a second coming.

Forgive me...

I would assume the Orthodox view of that will differ from the RCs view, and perhaps the defective Protestants view also. But that is another topic.

Asinner · Mar 15, 2008

mont974x4 said:
I'd like a straight answer, please.

I would bet we all know that you were being a touch dishonest when you said I was wrong on my assessment. There is no denomination that sticks to what the Bible actually tells us.

The Divine Liturgy is man-made, just as the Scriptures are man-made.

That doesn't meant that the services aren't beautiful and moving. It simply means that men have added an itinerary, or agenda if you will, to the services where Scripture doesn't call for one.

What itinerary would that be? Tradition is the revealed expression of the Holy Trinity, attested to by the Holy Spirit, of which Scripture is at the very heart. This expression is manifested in the Scriptures, the Liturgy, the Councils, the Prayers, Hymns, Architecture, Icons, Gifts, Sacraments . . . So, the Liturgy cannot be man-made, just like the Scriptures are not man-made, unless you believe the Holy Trinity is man-made.

Love,
Christina

mont974x4 · Mar 15, 2008

Scripture is God breathed. The services we see in churches around the world is not. All the pomp and circumstance is added by men.

Asinner · Mar 15, 2008

mont974x4 said:
Scripture is God breathed. The services we see in churches around the world is not. All the pomp and circumstance is added by men.

HOW DO YOU KNOW???

christianmomof3 · Mar 15, 2008

I like this song that the young people sing at some of our church meetings. It shows that the Christian life is one of taking in Christ and enjoying Him every day, even moment by moment.

We Love the Church Life!

1. Some, these days, would tell us
That our Jesus is not food,
That we only need to know
About Him and do good,
But were glad to tell you, brothers,
Its just not that way-
Jesus is the bread of life;
We eat Him every day.

[OH!] We love the church life:
Eating, drinking, breathing Jesus.
We love the church life:
Taking in Gods Word.
We love to hear those:
O Lord, Amen, Hallelujahs!
We love the church life:
Feasting with the Lord.

2. When He fills our inward parts,
Were never quite the same;
So much richness we can taste
By calling on His name.
Services but once a week
For us will never do.
Every day we need the fellowship
To take us through.

3. If these latter days and
Situations of the world
Make you feel that round a
Vicious circle you are swirled,
Then please listen closely
To the things we have to say;
It may be that you will find
With us a better way.
http://www.hymns.net/lyrics/index.htm#w

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 15, 2008

mont974x4 said:
Scripture is God breathed. The services we see in churches around the world is not. All the pomp and circumstance is added by men.

Whatever is done in the Name of Jesus, let it be done for the Glorifying of YHWH.
We are all but candles of Light to peoples, nations and tongues. I don't criticize as much the way denominations worship the Lord, just the confusion on the Scriptures more than anything. Peace.

Matt 4:16 The people, the one-sitting in darkness perceived a Light, great.
And/also to-the ones-sitting in part and shadow of death, a Light springs-up to-them.

John 1:3 All-things thru Him became/egeneto <1096> (5633) and apart-from Him became/egeneto <1096> (5633) not-yet one-thing which has become/gegonen <1096> (5754).
4 In Him life was, and the Life was the Light of the men.

mont974x4 · Mar 15, 2008

Asinner said:
HOW DO YOU KNOW???

Because they have all added to Scripture.

With the possible exception of some home churches or similar fellowships.

mont974x4 · Mar 15, 2008

LittleLambofJesus said:
Whatever is done in the Name of Jesus, let it be done for the Glorifying of YHWH.
We are all but candles of Light to peoples, nations and tongues. I don't criticize as much the way denominations worship the Lord, just the confusion on the Scriptures more than anything. Peace.

Matt 4:16 The people, the one-sitting in darkness perceived a Light, great.
And/also to-the ones-sitting in part and shadow of death, a Light springs-up to-them.

John 1:3 All-things thru Him became/egeneto <1096> (5633) and apart-from Him became/egeneto <1096> (5633) not-yet one-thing which has become/gegonen <1096> (5754).
4 In Him life was, and the Life was the Light of the men.

Yes but the OP, and this thread, is about how we worship corporately compared to what Scripture actually shows us.

you'll hate this thread, I guarantee it.

The Christian Anarchist

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

Well-Known Member

Seeking Salvation

The Christian Anarchist

Senior Veteran

Seeking Salvation

The Christian Anarchist

Seeking Salvation

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

The Christian Anarchist

Well-Known Member

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

Seeking Salvation

The Christian Anarchist

Seeking Salvation

pursuing Christ

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

The Christian Anarchist

The Christian Anarchist

Similar threads

Privacy & Transparency

Privacy & Transparency