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i do not understand what point you are making here.a) I said it's basis is in the Bible - they are responding to what's read
b) you want to argue against 'strict legalism' but demand a strict reading in the Bible. Protestants can't make up their mind on this.
c) it's not contra bible. It makes sense that they carried on reading from Scriptures -even Protestants do this, don't they?
that the reading and responses isi do not understand what point you are making here.
The new testament doesn't mean the new covenant. There is a LOT of OC stuff in the NT. The new covenant started when Jesus died, not when He was born.Of course we don't live by the OT laws. We live in the NT - I cited the NT.
???There's no "NT. 2.0" that I'm aware of, but then you discard what you're inspired to. Anything you discard is 'justifable' because you claim the Holy Spirit is guiding you.
I'm no more infallible than the pope, and he's no more infallible than I am. He just a man like you and me, elected by a group of church leaders to be their top leader. He has no special power or mandate from God, he's simply the head of an organization.Thus you've got the same infalible powers the pope has
I agree, hence I don't keep the OT dietry laws.The new testament doesn't mean the new covenant.
So?There is a LOT of OC stuff in the NT. The new covenant started when Jesus died, not when He was born.
What are you? You already agree not everything in the OT is kept todayWhat are you talking about?
Yet you're so wise as to know which parts of the NT to discardI'm no more infallible than the pope, and he's no more infallible than I am.
He just a man like you and me, elected by a group of church leaders to be their top leader. He has no special power or mandate from God, he's simply the head of an organization.
Well, don't you use your own ability to reason? What is it that makes it so incredibly hard to distinguish between the red thread throughout the bible, and all the cultural stuff? I don't get it.Well I'll bow to your greater judgment on this as you're able to discern what to discard and what not to.
I'm not sure what you mean by protestantism. But as far as I'm concerned, "pope" isn't actually a title God respects, much less operates with.Protestantism makes everyone a Pope!
Maybe not, but that's not my point. My point is that he gives instructions on it, and today this thing simply doesn't exist. Just like when you see instructions in the bible about staffs and sandals and meals - it simply can't be applied, because things aren't like that anymore. And that's not a problem! It's just a consequence. Even though chosen and illuminated, Paul was still a man, and a man of his day and age and culture. That obviously shines through, just like the erroneous belief that the earth is flat shines through in the OT.Paul is not saying he supports slavery.
If I had some reason to think it was relevant to me, today, I would change my mind. But I have absolutely no reason to believe that God should throw in some seemingly random rule about hair smack in the middle of a gospel about grace, which even emphasises the heart over appearance! Especially when it's so logical and natural and obivous that Paul is simply talking about - and in - his own culture, which had different norms and problems than we do today.As to 'hair lengths' it's only irrelevant because you discard it as being irrelevant.
The Bible is divinely inspired and what is in there is what the Lord wanted and wants in there.If all people are equally inspired by the Holy Spirit, then why aren't we all able to have our own equally valid "Epistles" added to the Bible, or what about the Acts of Peter. Wasn't it inspired too?
What's your point?
Don't forget 1 Timothy 2:15 "Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle".It has its basis in the Bible
Acts 20: 11 Then going up and breaking bread and tasting and having talked a long time to them, until daylight, so he departed.
Luke 24:14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 15 And it came to pass that while they talked and reasoned with themselves, Jesus himself also, drawing near, went with them
Actually, there have been quite a number of monastics who celebrated the Divine Liturgy daily and consumed nothing but the Eucharist.He didn't mean i literally! Of course He didn't! What would be the point of that? He also said that whoever came to Him to drink should never thirst again. Not literally, of course.
1 Timothy 2:15 would certainly include anything like "how to worship in a community 101".where on earth do you see anything about responsive reading or scripts in those verses?
It's important to know that, because if not, people tend to believe that stuff like the sermon on the mount and other expositions on the law is part of the gospel, that it belongs in the new covenant.
Talking about what you said; "Anything you discard is 'justifable' because you claim the Holy Spirit is guiding you."What are you? You already agree not everything in the OT is kept today
I'm not discarding any part of the NT. And it's not so much about wisdom as it is about common sense.Yet you're so wise as to know which parts of the NT to discard
Not throwing out a single thing. The NT is sufficient, but it's never been meant to be sufficient as some sort of rule book or guide to life in general. In fact, the NT stresses that that's a function and responsibility of the Spirit. The bible does NOT elevate itself to the role and position most christians have put it in. God has never meant the bible to be some sort of eternal rulebook on hair lengths.Yet you are able to throw away which bits of the NT you don't need anymore; hence you have an NT 2.0, as the NT is not sufficient, another irony from someone arguing sola scrptura
So it fell out of heaven complete?The Bible is divinely inspired and what is in there is what the Lord wanted and wants in there.
It should not be added to.
Just because all redeemed and regenerated believers - not all people, have the Holy Spirit within us, does not mean that we all are in the same place in our spiritual walk.
Tell me which of these are inspired, and which aren'tSome are new believers and others are more mature.
The book of Acts was written by Luke.
I don't know what this "Acts of Peter" is.
It's called Reductio ad absurdumDo you believe that you should write your own epistles or are you just being facetious?
Are you expressing Christ here or are you expressing yourself?
Anyone who thinks that bishops were a "modern" invention some centuries after the Apostles, I say this: throw out both Timothys, Philemon and Titus. Sts. Timothy, Philemon and Titus were all three bishops.Some are chosen for sacred duties. The Bible has priests, deacons and bishops. All you have to do is imagine that Jesus calling 12 aside had no meaning.
Deacons
1 Timothy 3:10
And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
1 Timothy 3:13
For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Priests
1 Timothy 4:14
Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
Presbytery
4244 presbuterion pres-boo-ter'-ee-on neuter of a presumed derivative of 4245; the order of elders, i.e. (specially), Israelite Sanhedrin or Christian "presbytery":--(estate of) elder(-s), presbytery.
Strongs Lexicon
http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strongs.cgi?file=greeklexicon&isindex=presbytery
Bishops
1 Timothy 3:2
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Titus 1:7
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
1 Peter 2:25
For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
"In like manner, let all reverence the deacons as an appointment of Jesus Christ, and the bishop as Jesus Christ, who is the Son of the Father, and the presbyters as the Sanhedrim of God, and assembly of the apostles. Apart from these, there is no Church."
Ignatius -
"The Epistle to the Trallians", Chapter III
Nobody believes all people are equally inspired by the Spirit.
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