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Hi Uphill Battle,
This is an excellent reflexion!
Sorry, I haven't read through all the 24 pages of this thread, but I agree with you concerning the simplicity of early Christian worship.
From what I can see, there was liturgy in the early church but it was so simple that it probably resembled the simple Protestant services of our day!
What was in a Liturgy? Well, the service started out with hours and hours of Scripture reading - from the Old Testament and the New (Gospels, Epistles). Then a homely (or sermon) on how to live the Christian life was preached by an elder (I believe). Sometime in the liturgical service, there was the singing of Psalms. And a prayer meeting (prayers of thanksgiving and intercession and for the believers' present needs).
OK, towards the end of the meeting, there was this Eucharistic meal shared by all the believers (the non-believers present could not share into it so they had to leave). It was the Lord's Supper and many believed in the Real Presence, from what I can see.
A collection for the brothers in need was made.
It was really very simple and centered on the Word and the Eucharist.
This is my summary of what I have been reading here and there, anyways.
The first Christians were very Evangelical in nature.
1After these things I looked, and behold a door was opened in heaven, and the first voice which I heard, as it were, of a trumpet speaking with me, said: Come up hither, and I will shew thee the things which must be done hereafter.
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and behold there was a throne set in heaven, and upon the throne one sitting.
3 And he that sat, was to the sight like the jasper and the sardine stone; and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats; and upon the seats, four and twenty ancients sitting, clothed in white garments, and on their heads were crowns of gold.
5 And from the throne proceeded lightnings, and voices, and thunders; and there were seven lamps burning before the throne, which are the seven spirits of God.
6 And in the sight of the throne was, as it were, a sea of glass like to crystal; and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four living creatures, full of eyes before and behind.
7 And the first living creature was like a lion: and the second living creature like a calf: and the third living creature, having the face, as it were, of a man: and the fourth living creature was like an eagle flying.
8 And the four living creatures had each of them six wings; and round about and within they are full of eyes. And they rested not day and night, saying: Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, who was, and who is, and who is to come.
9 And when those living creatures gave glory, and honour, and benediction to him that sitteth on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever;
10 The four and twenty ancients fell down before him that sitteth on the throne, and adored him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying:
11 Thou art worthy, O Lord our God, to receive glory, and honour, and power: because thou hast created all things; and for thy will they were, and have been created.
1And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne, a book written within and without, sealed with seven seals.
2 And I saw a strong angel, proclaiming with a loud voice: Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3 And no man was able, neither in heaven, nor on earth, nor under the earth, to open the book, nor to look on it.
4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open the book, nor to see it.
5 And one of the ancients said to me: Weep not; behold the lion of the tribe of Juda, the root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6 And I saw: and behold in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the ancients, a Lamb standing as it were slain, having seven horns and seven eyes: which are the seven Spirits of God, sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat on the throne.
8 And when he had opened the book, the four living creatures, and the four and twenty ancients fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints:
9 And they sung a new canticle, saying: Thou art worthy, O Lord, to take the book, and to open the seals thereof; because thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God, in thy blood, out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation.
10 And hast made us to our God a kingdom and priests, and we shall reign on the earth.
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne, and the living creatures, and the ancients; and the number of them was thousands of thousands,
12 Saying with a loud voice: The Lamb that was slain is worthy to receive power, and divinity, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and benediction.
13 And every creature, which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them: I heard all saying: To him that sitteth on the throne, and to the Lamb, benediction, and honour, and glory, and power, for ever and ever.
14 And the four living creatures said: Amen. And the four and twenty ancients fell down on their faces, and adored him that liveth for ever and ever.
1And I saw that the Lamb had opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures, as it were the voice of thunder, saying: Come, and see.
2And I saw: and behold a white horse, and he that sat on him had a bow, and there was a crown given him, and he went forth conquering that he might conquer.
3And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature, saying: Come, and see.
4And there went out another horse that was red: and to him that sat thereon, it was given that he should take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another, and a great sword was given to him.
5And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying: Come, and see. And behold a black horse, and he that sat on him had a pair of scales in his hand.
6And I heard as it were a voice in the midst of the four living creatures, saying: Two pounds of wheat for a penny, and thrice two pounds of barley for a penny, and see thou hurt not the wine and the oil.
7And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature, saying: Come, and see.
8And behold a pale horse, and he that sat upon him, his name was Death, and hell followed him. And power was given to him over the four parts of the earth, to kill with sword, with famine, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held.
10And they cried with a loud voice, saying: How long, O Lord (holy and true) dost thou not judge and revenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11And white robes were given to every one of them one; and it was said to them, that they should rest for a little time, till their fellow servants, and their brethren, who are to be slain, even as they, should be filled up.
12And I saw, when he had opened the sixth seal, and behold there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair: and the whole moon became as blood:
13And the stars from heaven fell upon the earth, as the fig tree casteth its green figs when it is shaken by a great wind:
14And the heaven departed as a book folded up: and every mountain, and the islands were moved out of their places.
15And the kings of the earth, and the princes, and tribunes, and the rich, and the strong, and every bondman, and every freeman, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of mountains:
16And they say to the mountains and the rocks: Fall upon us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth upon the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17For the great day of their wrath is come, and who shall be able to stand?
The Didache is wrong. Period. If you believe the Bible throw away the Didache, it's that simple. The Didache is 100% proof that the earliest christians strayed from the truth.....BTW, the Didache is 100% proof that NOT every single thing the Apostles laid down and wrote for our salvation was put in the Bible.
The Didache is wrong. Period. If you believe the Bible throw away the Didache, it's that simple. The Didache is 100% proof that the earliest christians strayed from the truth.....
The Didache is wrong. Period. If you believe the Bible throw away the Didache, it's that simple. The Didache is 100% proof that the earliest christians strayed from the truth.....
The 7 Sacraments are the 7 Seals.Revelation 5and there is more...
Have y'all figure out yet what the 7 seals are? The 7 Sacraments.
You can call us Catholics many things, but never call us unbiblical.
This is it-- the heavenly worship fulfilled by Christ with His own blood comes down to us. What is in heaven, what is eternal comes down to us (there is no time with God, it is all one moment in heaven, under the heavens, under the sea, it is all one moment, one single of act of worship ) and that is what worshipping in Spirit and in truth is. What is outside time and space comes down to us and we are worshipping on earth, in the here and now what we will be worshipping in eternity.
The 7 Sacraments are the 7 Seals.
Ok............
Well, you know what they say about opinions..........OH? This is an opinion.
"The Church" does not share it.
Forgive me...
WHAT do the Jews have to do with Rev...?The 7 Sacraments are the 7 Seals.
Ok............Don't know if the Jews would see it that way though. Peace
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Luke 21:28 Beginning yet to-be-becoming/ginesqai <1096> (5738) these-things, up-bend!, and lift up! the heads of ye, thru-that is nearing the loosing/apolutrwsiV <629> of ye [Daniel 12/Reve 19,20]
Reve 21:6 And He said to me: "it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754). I am the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end.
I, to the one thirsting, shall be giving out of the spring of the water of the life gratuitously.
So...your opnion, because you dont like the Didache...supercedes scholrs and the Church.The Didache is wrong. Period. If you believe the Bible throw away the Didache, it's that simple. The Didache is 100% proof that the earliest christians strayed from the truth.....
Ya think?WHAT do the Jews have to do with Rev...?
In order for them to accept Rev...they have to believe in Jesus...and the Apostle John.
OH? This is an opinion.
"The Church" does not share it.
Forgive me...
They are both a part of the same Tradition. The Didache does not contradict the Holy Scriptures.
Love,
Christina
Hi. Well I myself have never read it so I cannot form an opinion on that one way or the other.They are both a part of the same Tradition. The Didache does not contradict the Holy Scriptures.
Love,
Christina
Luke 4:19 To proclaim Year of Lord acceptable.
21 He begins to say yet toward them "that today has been ful-filled/peplhrwtai <4137> (5769) the Scripture/Writing/grafh <1124>, this, in the ears of ye".
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