You can't be both.

[free2be]

I have been asked to come this thread and give witness.

ok:

I have personally witnessed BA's cut and paste skills before and the opening post should be considered an accuate representation of his abilities to post other peoples thinking without comment and assume you know what he's talking about.

Not exactly sure who you're giving witness to...but I don't see anything wrong in sharing information...that's how we (well, me anyway) learn. BA's opinion (you can't be both) is right on the mark, I think, giving the info he's shared.

 

[Ave Maria]

Well I say that you can be both pro-choice and Catholic. I am both pro-choice and Catholic. I am personally against abortion but I do not wish to impose my views on others so publically I am pro-choice.

 

[Avatar]

Well I say that you can be both pro-choice and Catholic. I am both pro-choice and Catholic. I am personally against abortion but I do not wish to impose my views on others so publically I am pro-choice.

Then you are not in communion with Rome, my dear.

 

[free2be]

I think both views are imposed on to others.

 

[WarriorAngel]

To: BAFriend
From: Reality

Slightly over half of Christianity does NOT belong to the Roman Catholic Church, and could give a sweet lemon drop what its canon law has to say. Regardless of how they individually feel about the abortion issue.

Yours sincerely,
etc.

Actually, you have it backwards......
There are 1.5 billion Catholic and the other .5 billion is non Catholic.
Just thot i would say something about the stats.

At least that is what i have read statistically.

Good idea. The number of churchgoers is dropping already. So the best idea is quite obviously to throw more people out instead of showing understanding.

...i can't really say i'm opposed to the idea in general.

Showing understanding is not the job of the Church...showing what is meat for our salvation is.

Would you rather have the truth or something that agrees with you?
NM.

Is that an official church position, or rather, the position of one person within the church?

(FYI, Catholic, not atheist)

Official.

Roman Catholic Canon Law 1398

Can. 1398 A person who actually procures an abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.
source: http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0017/_P55.HTM

Thanks.

I guess this is one of those moments that I am glad I am not catholic.


I've had much sucess in stopping abortions as a pro choicer that I ever would have if I'd adopted a stictly pro life approach. If the catholic church would seek to excommunicate me for stopping abortions, like I said, glad I am not a part of it.

No the Church would not excommunicate you stopping them, but she would if you procured one.

Besides that....tell me why you feel it is best to not have one. I certainly agree with your actions, and Christ said who did the right thing...?
The one who said no, but did it anyway, or the one who said they would, but didnt.

So my question is legit, and i am curious why you act for pro life even tho you think it should remain a choice.

What stirs you to stop abortion?

 

[WarriorAngel]

Well I say that you can be both pro-choice and Catholic. I am both pro-choice and Catholic. I am personally against abortion but I do not wish to impose my views on others so publically I am pro-choice.

So its ok to be dismissive of a child's life because you are not personally responsible?

How about the soul of the one procuring the abortion?
Are you not supposed to help them understand the dangers of such actions?

You simply cannot call yourself Catholic, and be apathetic to your sister or brother in Christ who's life is at stake at the hands of their own mothers.

You either believe Christ's love is for everyone, or you do not.

Are we not MADE in the Image of God....?
And not only we who survived this long, but those He is creating in their mother's womb...?

 

[Ave Maria]

Then you are not in communion with Rome, my dear.

I know that I am not in full communion with Rome and frankly I don't care.

So its ok to be dismissive of a child's life because you are not personally responsible?

How about the soul of the one procuring the abortion?
Are you not supposed to help them understand the dangers of such actions?

You simply cannot call yourself Catholic, and be apathetic to your sister or brother in Christ who's life is at stake at the hands of their own mothers.

You either believe Christ's love is for everyone, or you do not.

Are we not MADE in the Image of God....?
And not only we who survived this long, but those He is creating in their mother's womb...?

First of all, I don't see how I am being dismissive of a child's life. Can you please explain to me how I am being dismissive of a child's life?

Second of all, I personally do not believe that the soul of the one procuring an abortion is in very much danger.

Third, well guess what? I am calling myself Catholic and I am also calling myself pro-choice and I will continue to do so without caring about what you or anyone else has to say about that.

Fourth, I do believe that Christ's love is for everyone.

And finally, of course we are made in the image of God. After all, that is what the Bible says right?

 

[BAFRIEND]

I know that I am not in full communion with Rome and frankly I don't care.



First of all, I don't see how I am being dismissive of a child's life. Can you please explain to me how I am being dismissive of a child's life?

Second of all, I personally do not believe that the soul of the one procuring an abortion is in very much danger.

Third, well guess what? I am calling myself Catholic and I am also calling myself pro-choice and I will continue to do so without caring about what you or anyone else has to say about that.

Fourth, I do believe that Christ's love is for everyone.

And finally, of course we are made in the image of God. After all, that is what the Bible says right?

Last week you were a Mormon.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Just to reiterate:

This is not a debate about Catholic beliefs on abortion. The Church's position is clear.

Someone posted in OBOB stating they were confused because there were people with Catholic icons supporting choice and abortion debating in this forum.

I just wanted to clear up the confusion.

The Catholic Church is not ambiguous on this matter. Those with Catholic icons supporting abortion here do not represent the RCC.

The Catholic Church views abortion as murder.

 

[Trashionista]

As you are on a Christian forum your views as an athiest are irrelevent.

And you're a Brit.
Why are your views relevant in the thread on 35M abortions performed in the US thread then?

 

[Trashionista]

Well I say that you can be both pro-choice and Catholic. I am both pro-choice and Catholic. I am personally against abortion but I do not wish to impose my views on others so publically I am pro-choice.

Exactly how I feel.
I don't think abortion is a great thing, but I am certainly in no place to tell a woman not to get it done.
And I supported because if its going to be done, it has to be done in as safe a manner as possible.
And history has proven that it can't be done when abortion is illegal, commited in back alleys with hangers, under no state supervision.

 

[Avatar]

I know that I am not in full communion with Rome and frankly I don't care.

Full communion? Its an all or nothing proposition. You are or you aren't.

 

[Avatar]

The Catholic Church is not ambiguous on this matter. Those with Catholic icons supporting abortion here do not represent the RCC.

The Catholic Church views abortion as murder.

Quoted for truth.

 

[Virgil the Roman]

Thank you Secundulus.

 

[Avatar]

Thank you Secundulus.

Going to ignore the two quotes in the OP then?

Secundulus' quote seems to be saying only the doctor has excommunicated himself. Not so.

 

[Virgil the Roman]

no. I was thanking him for the link to the Code of canon law

 

[WarriorAngel]

I know that I am not in full communion with Rome and frankly I don't care.



First of all, I don't see how I am being dismissive of a child's life. Can you please explain to me how I am being dismissive of a child's life?

Second of all, I personally do not believe that the soul of the one procuring an abortion is in very much danger.

Third, well guess what? I am calling myself Catholic and I am also calling myself pro-choice and I will continue to do so without caring about what you or anyone else has to say about that.

Fourth, I do believe that Christ's love is for everyone.

And finally, of course we are made in the image of God. After all, that is what the Bible says right?

.nm

 

[Avatar]

no. I was thanking him for the link to the Code of canon law

Sorry. I took your post wrong.

 

[Tenebrae]

I guess this is one of those moments that I am glad I am not catholic.


I've had much sucess in stopping abortions as a pro choicer that I ever would have if I'd adopted a stictly pro life approach. If the catholic church would seek to excommunicate me for stopping abortions, like I said, glad I am not a part of it.

It bears repeating.

In the last 12 months I had a direct impact on 4 women chosing to keep their child instead of abortion. There were another five mothers to be who several of us evil pro choice people had imput in the mothers either keeping the child or giving up the child for adoption.

Much more sucess than I ever had adopting a strictly pro life approach.


I was considering looking into the catholic church, I like the liturgical form of service. However if your church would excommunicate me for stopping abortion, than its not a church i want to be a part of to be honest

 

[Avatar]

It bears repeating.

In the last 12 months I had a direct impact on 4 women chosing to keep their child instead of abortion. There were another five mothers to be who several of us evil pro choice people had imput in the mothers either keeping the child or giving up the child for adoption.

Much more sucess than I ever had adopting a strictly pro life approach.

That's wonderful, and God bless you for that!

I was considering looking into the catholic church, I like the liturgical form of service. However if your church would excommunicate me for stopping abortion, than its not a church i want to be a part of to be honest

Why? You agree that abortion is something to be worked against.

I do agree that its a very emotional time for many women, and someone coming in and beating them over the head with the Bible or the Catechism is not at all productive. Absolutely a caring and compassionate approach needs to be taken. And its wonderful that you do that.

But the problem in this forum is Catholics espousing a firmly pro-choice opinion. That's simply contrary to church teachings. End of story. And, of course, many people do not know where the Catholic church stands on this issue. Not being Catholic and all. So when they see members who are pro-choice sporting a Catholic faith icon, they could wrongly think that the Catholic church is pro-choice or takes no stand on the issue. The church is clear.