You all need to stop.

[IamRedeemed]

For about the 7th time at least, we want to see you demonstrate.
We have already heard your sermon, and your rebuke,
judgment and condemnation of what we are doing.
Now show us "the right way" to do the job.

third time.

Love instead of hate. Mercy instead of condemnation. Recognition of your own spiritual poverty. Avoid seeking out the sin in others, and ignoring your own

 

[Uphill Battle]

For about the 7th time at least, we want to see you demonstrate.
We have already heard your sermon, and your rebuke,
judgment and condemnation of what we are doing.
Now show us "the right way" to do the job.

I ask you again, what did Jesus do with sinners?

 

[Floatingaxe]

Jesus came to save sinners. Those outside of the knowledge of God. We have no qualms with that. All sinners outside of Christ have no responsibility to live righteously. We cannot judge them.

According to scripture, however, those who wear Christian as a moniker, and procaim Christ as their Saviour, we need to beware of when we see them advocating sin. A Christian openly sinning and approving of it and advocating it are to be judged by fellow believers, for they do harm to the Body of Christ. Biblical mandate.

 

[Uphill Battle]

Jesus came to save sinners. Those outside of the knowledge of God. We have no qualms with that. All sinners outside of Christ have no responsibility to live righteously. We cannot judge them.

According to scripture, however, those who wear Christian as a moniker, and procaim Christ as their Saviour, we need to beware of when we see them advocating sin. A Christian openly sinning and approving of it and advocating it are to be judged by fellow believers, for they do harm to the Body of Christ. Biblical mandate.

ah, so then, the answer to that mandate is to berate them online.... Gotcha. That seems SO much like how Christ would handle it! /sarcasm.

Jesus ate with sinners. He talked to them. touched them. healed them. Befriended them. and did not condemn them.

yet today, we have a complete departure from that.

not just on this one issue either.

now, if your church is so strongly opposed to homosexuals, It's a fair bet they don't come to your church anyways, so the "sinning and approving" would not be happening within your congregation. No, you go and seek them out!

 

[IamRedeemed]

No, these folks state they are within the body, they do not claim to not be Christians.

ah, so then, the answer to that mandate is to berate them online.... Gotcha. That seems SO much like how Christ would handle it! /sarcasm.

Jesus ate with sinners. He talked to them. touched them. healed them. Befriended them. and did not condemn them.

yet today, we have a complete departure from that.

not just on this one issue either.

now, if your church is so strongly opposed to homosexuals, It's a fair bet they don't come to your church anyways, so the "sinning and approving" would not be happening within your congregation. No, you go and seek them out!

 

[Uphill Battle]

No, these folks state they are within the body, they do not claim to not be Christians.

JW's claim to be christians, so do Mormons... do you seek out Mormons and JW's and show them the error of their ways?

when Jesus was here, there were no christians. there were Jews. there were Jewish people, who claimed very much to be Jewish, and under the blessings and laws of being Jewish, but sinning anyways. The parallel is the same.

Jesus ate with them. Talked to them.

Tell me, would you sit down to a meal with a homosexual? Would you spend a day hanging out with a Gay person, and never once condemn them? And, on top of that, hold your tongue unless asked your opinion? (this isn't to say that you SHOULD do this. I'm just wondering if you WOULD.)

 

[Floatingaxe]

ah, so then, the answer to that mandate is to berate them online.... Gotcha. That seems SO much like how Christ would handle it! /sarcasm.

Jesus ate with sinners. He talked to them. touched them. healed them. Befriended them. and did not condemn them.

yet today, we have a complete departure from that.

not just on this one issue either.

now, if your church is so strongly opposed to homosexuals, It's a fair bet they don't come to your church anyways, so the "sinning and approving" would not be happening within your congregation. No, you go and seek them out!

I am not berating. I point out errors that Christians believe, that goes against God's Word and righteousness in Him. Refute all you like, but as Christians we are to sharpen ourselves "as iron sharpens iron."

We are against homosexuality which is as it should be...not homosexuals. We are interested in getting them saved and free, just as we are all sinners who come through the doors of our church and homes.

If that isn't your mandate, then I suggest that you have a problem.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Tell me, would you sit down to a meal with a homosexual? Would you spend a day hanging out with a Gay person, and never once condemn them? And, on top of that, hold your tongue unless asked your opinion? (this isn't to say that you SHOULD do this. I'm just wondering if you WOULD.)

Yes, and I have done so.

 

[IamRedeemed]

The folks in here do not claim to be lost sinners, they state they are a part of the body. So, your campaign is null and void on account of "sinners" right out of the gate. Read 1 Corinthians chapter 5 and 2 Timothy chapter 3:1-13


They also state that the Word of God does not say what it says, and they claim that homosexual activity is not sin, and they have made David a bisexual, Jonathan a homosexual, Joseph and Potipher bisexuals and Daniel a homosexual all in an effort to support their desires.

They have claimed that Romans 1:26-31 is referring to male homosexual temple prostitutes, in addition to claiming that the men in Sodom and Ghemorah were guilty of beastiality.

Now, what you are doing now though is just avoiding your responsibility to back up your speech with actions and now you are doing to us, what you claim we were doing to them, and you sir are operating in hypocrisy.

You have accused me personally of several things in which you have yet to back up one of which is a liar.

So, about that board in the eye you were talking about........

I ask you again, what did Jesus do with sinners?

 

[IamRedeemed]

WashedBytheSon][/B]
It's not about pointing out the sins of others. This part of the forum is about homosexuality and in society right now, there is a big hoo-ha about homosexual rights. Christians are not going to remain silent. It's not as if we think the sin of homosexuality is worse than others, it's that homosexuality is the topic at hand. If adultery or whatever else was the topic at hand, you'd have just as many people talking about how it is sinful.

somehow, I doubt that.

Then perhaps you should take a stroll through this thread for some proof that it is not an attack on homosexuals, but a defense of the Word of God that is being profaned by them in the name of Jesus Christ.

If people want to live in sin, let them. The Word is Life to them that find it, not those that don't. If people don't want to hear it, they do not have to, but I, for one will not sit silent while the Word of God is being butchered and perverted and the cross of Christ is profaned in my presence. If you want to stand silent or even attack those that won't that is your choice to make.

http://www.christianforums.com/t5507964

 

[IamRedeemed]

Yes, I do, however I cannot be at all places at one time.

What concern is it to you anyway? How is it your responsibility one way or another, what area of ministry we decide to work in on at any given day? Why do you feel the need to control where we minister or to whom we minister? Did God appoint you as the director of Disciples?

If He did, He forgot to tell us.

JW's claim to be christians, so do Mormons... do you seek out Mormons and JW's and show them the error of their ways?

when Jesus was here, there were no christians. there were Jews. there were Jewish people, who claimed very much to be Jewish, and under the blessings and laws of being Jewish, but sinning anyways. The parallel is the same.

Jesus ate with them. Talked to them.

Tell me, would you sit down to a meal with a homosexual? Would you spend a day hanging out with a Gay person, and never once condemn them? And, on top of that, hold your tongue unless asked your opinion? (this isn't to say that you SHOULD do this. I'm just wondering if you WOULD.)

 

[Uphill Battle]

I am not berating. I point out errors that Christians believe, that goes against God's Word and righteousness in Him. Refute all you like, but as Christians we are to sharpen ourselves "as iron sharpens iron."

we're to go looking for sinners to "sharpen?" I don't think so.

We are against homosexuality which is as it should be...not homosexuals. We are interested in getting them saved and free, just as we are all sinners who come through the doors of our church and homes.

If that isn't your mandate, then I suggest that you have a problem.

ha! because my mandate isn't to search the boards for homosexuals and correct them, I have a problem?

Yes, and I have done so.

bully for you. Did you hold your tongue? Did they know how you felt? Have they ever read some of the stuff on THESE boards?

The folks in here do not claim to be lost sinners, they state they are a part of the body. So, your campaign is null and void on account of "sinners" right out of the gate. Read 1 Corinthians chapter 5 and 2 Timothy chapter 3:1-13

If, as you state, homosexuals who claim to be christians are not christians, then they are just the sinners I was refering to. Their "claims" of being christian are irrelevant if that is so. And you may notice in those passages you quoted, it says NOTHING about seeking out those sinners and correcting them. I states get rid of the yeast in your midst. I'm sure that your church would in no way allow a homosexual through the door. (If they knew about it, anyways.) Why do you feel responsible for the churches of others?

They also state that the Word of God does not say what it says, and they claim that homosexual activity is not sin, and they have made David a bisexual, Jonathan a homosexual, Joseph and Potipher bisexuals and Daniel a homosexual all in an effort to support their desires.

uh huh. So then, if these people whom you have said are not looking to be corrected led or ministered to, of what profit is it bothering anyways?

They have claimed that Romans 1:26-31 is referring to male homosexual temple prostitutes, in addition to claiming that the men in Sodom and Ghemorah were guilty of beastiality.

see above.

Now, what you are doing now though is just avoiding your responsibility to back up your speech with actions and now you are doing to us, what you claim we were doing to them, and you sir are operating in hypocrisy.

how is refusing to confirm the viewpoint of fundamental christians as dyed in the wool bigots hypocritical? I don't remember them asking my opinion on the matter. If they did, I'd give it. If it seeks ME out, I'll refute it. I won't go looking for it.

You have accused me personally of several things in which you have yet to back up one of which is a liar.

I can't help it if your reading comprehension is a bit low. I did not call you a liar. In fact, I said pretty clearly that I'm sure you believe what you were saying.

I just doubt what you claimed is even POSSIBLE.

Then perhaps you should take a stroll through this thread for some proof that it is not an attack on homosexuals, but a defense of the Word of God that is being profaned by them in the name of Jesus Christ.

If people want to live in sin, let them. The Word is Life to them that find it, not those that don't. If people don't want to hear it, they do not have to, but I, for one will not sit silent while the Word of God is being butchered and perverted and the cross of Christ is profaned in my presence. If you want to stand silent or even attack those that won't that is your choice to make.

[URL="http://www.christianforums.com/t5507964"]http://www.christianforums.com/t5507964[/URL]

one thread does not a proof make. The vitrolic nature of the entire subforum is not corrected by one thread!

(and just so it's noted, the scripture is being butchered in your presence, because you chose to seek it out. Not one person forced you to go into a forum you know FULL well will be like that. If it offends your sensibilites so very much, you are responsible for that, you went there on your own accord!)

Yes, I do, however I cannot be at all places at one time.

What concern is it to you anyway? How is it your responsibility one way or another, what area of ministry we decide to work in on at any given day? Why do you feel the need to control where we minister or to whom we minister? Did God appoint you as the director of Disciples?

If He did, He forgot to tell us.

no, he didn't.

I don't speak for God any more than you do. My opinions are entirely subjective. You're free to discard them as you wish. (just remember that same fact when you lambaste somebody, and they don't respond.)

 

[IamRedeemed]

If, as you state, homosexuals who claim to be christians are not christians, then they are just the sinners I was refering to. Their "claims" of being christian are irrelevant if that is so. And you may notice in those passages you quoted, it says NOTHING about seeking out those sinners and correcting them. I states get rid of the yeast in your midst. I'm sure that your church would in no way allow a homosexual through the door. (If they knew about it, anyways.) Why do you feel responsible for the churches of others?

Erm..no that is not "as I state" ....what I ACTUALLY SAID was:

"The folks in here do not claim to be lost sinners, they state they are a part of the body. So, your campaign is null and void on account of "sinners" right out of the gate. Read 1 Corinthians chapter 5 and 2 Timothy chapter 3:1-13

They also state that the Word of God does not say what it says, and they claim that homosexual activity is not sin, and they have made David a bisexual, Jonathan a homosexual, Joseph and Potipher bisexuals and Daniel a homosexual all in an effort to support their desires.

They have claimed that Romans 1:26-31 is referring to male homosexual temple prostitutes, in addition to claiming that the men in Sodom and Ghemorah were guilty of beastiality."

Therefore, your argument is still null/void.


uh huh. So then, if these people whom you have said are not looking to be corrected led or ministered to, of what profit is it bothering anyways?

I am not sure if you ever happen to notice the number of "visitors" in this forum. Very often I see over 50 people not logged in that are reading.

If those who post here want to be left alone and post their unBiblical teachings, in pursuit of affirmation and approval, let them get their affirmations from a non-Christian site.

If anyone in this forum wants to post unBiblical doctrine and pass it off as Biblical in public on a Christian site, well then they should surely expect it to be refuted, without direct invitation, by those who take their responsibility seriously and hold tight to what is good, and reject what is evil who are willing to be hated for the sake of souls for the cause of Christ, whether it be logged in readers or for those who are lurking that hear, not pretending to love them, but loving them for real according to Romans 12:8-9, which says: "If your gift is to encourage others, be encouraging. If it is giving, give generously. If God has given you leadership ability, take the responsibility seriously. And if you have a gift for showing kindness to others, do it gladly. Don’t just pretend to love others. Really love them. Hate what is wrong. Hold tightly to what is good."

how is refusing to confirm the viewpoint of fundamental christians as dyed in the wool bigots hypocritical? I don't remember them asking my opinion on the matter. If they did, I'd give it. If it seeks ME out, I'll refute it. I won't go looking for it.

And see here, you prove your hypocrisy, as you call us "fundamental Christians, dyed in the wool of bigots." which as you know I did report. Edited to add: and I see you took advantage of a mod's misunderstanding to weasel out of it. I get a snippy response for posting there and you can post away and it is no problem. That's okay.......whatever. First of all, I do not even know what you think a fundamental is. I always thought it referred to Baptists which I am not but if a fundamentalist is one who holds fast to the Scripture and our Faith, who fights the good fight of faith against all false theologies and doctrines, who looks to please God rather than win a popularity contest with men, by preaching to their itching ears what they want to hear, one who opposes mockers of the truth and profane work and cause of the cross of Christ, then by all means feel free to call me a fundamentalist.

But somehow I think it is your "Christian curse word" for Fascists, which is due to your own personal bigotry and not Biblically based.
​

I can't help it if your reading comprehension is a bit low. I did not call you a liar. In fact, I said pretty clearly that I'm sure you believe what you were saying.
I just doubt what you claimed is even POSSIBLE.

Look, for the 3rd time, if not 4th, this is what I said, and this is what I mean, so apparently it isn't my reading comprehension that is in question but your inability to hide the mustard stain that's on the front and center of your white shirt!

I said:

"There is no sin in my life that I have not yielded.
I have no "pet sins". And no, that doesn't mean I am without sin, it only means I have no sin that I want to keep and have coveted and choose to keep and practice. I am completely in agreement with God's Word and want His highest and best in my life and am clay in the potter's hand to do with as He wishes to make me more suitable for His purpose. I am not in any forums fighting for my sin and railing against Christians changing God's Word to make myself feel better in my attempt to justify it."

If you do not believe that it is possible for anyone to not have PET SINS, that is YOUR PROBLEM. But no matter what jig you try to do, or how you try to patronize me as if it is possible "only in my head" and you say you 'doubt that what I claim is even possible', then you are indeed calling me a liar.

one thread does not a proof make. The vitrolic nature of the entire subforum is not corrected by one thread!

I did not offer that to you to correct anything but your assumption.

The significance of that thread is that it was about fornicating heterosexuals who met the SAME OPPOSITION for their unBiblical claims and doctrine. There is actually a part ONE and part TWO of that thread if memory serves me correctly. It was longer than any of these threads. Quite a lot of posts.

I also have not been a member here that long, and this place is big, so don't worry I will make my rounds. In the meantime you should get off your high horse before you fall and hurt yourself.

(and just so it's noted, the scripture is being butchered in your presence, because you chose to seek it out. Not one person forced you to go into a forum you know FULL well will be like that. If it offends your sensibilites so very much, you are responsible for that, you went there on your own accord!)

I am not complaining about where I am, YOU ARE.

I have to wonder...how do you come upon various threads? How did you find your way to this one? Were you "seeking it out"? If not, then how are you to know how I came here or anyone else?

And as I said to you before, what concern is it to you anyway? How is it your responsibility one way or another, what area of ministry we decide to work in or at on any given day? Why do you feel the need to control where we minister or to whom we minister?

You work in whatever field God directs you and leave others to work
what ever field God directs them to. Okey doke?

 

[OnceUponAChristian]

If, as you state, homosexuals who claim to be christians are not christians, then they are just the sinners I was refering to. Their "claims" of being christian are irrelevant if that is so. And you may notice in those passages you quoted, it says NOTHING about seeking out those sinners and correcting them. I states get rid of the yeast in your midst. I'm sure that your church would in no way allow a homosexual through the door. (If they knew about it, anyways.) Why do you feel responsible for the churches of others?

Erm..no that is not "as I state" ....what I ACTUALLY SAID was:

"The folks in here do not claim to be lost sinners, they state they are a part of the body. So, your campaign is null and void on account of "sinners" right out of the gate. Read 1 Corinthians chapter 5 and 2 Timothy chapter 3:1-13

They also state that the Word of God does not say what it says, and they claim that homosexual activity is not sin, and they have made David a bisexual, Jonathan a homosexual, Joseph and Potipher bisexuals and Daniel a homosexual all in an effort to support their desires.

They have claimed that Romans 1:26-31 is referring to male homosexual temple prostitutes, in addition to claiming that the men in Sodom and Ghemorah were guilty of beastiality."

Therefore, your argument is still null/void.


uh huh. So then, if these people whom you have said are not looking to be corrected led or ministered to, of what profit is it bothering anyways?

I am not sure if you ever happen to notice the number of "visitors" in this forum. Very often I see over 50 people not logged in that are reading.

If those who post here want to be left alone and post their unBiblical teachings, in pursuit of affirmation and approval, let them get their affirmations from a non-Christian site.

If anyone in this forum wants to post unBiblical doctrine and pass it off as Biblical in public on a Christian site, well then they should surely expect it to be refuted, without direct invitation, by those who take their responsibility seriously and hold tight to what is good, and reject what is evil who are willing to be hated for the sake of souls for the cause of Christ, whether it be logged in readers or for those who are lurking that hear, not pretending to love them, but loving them for real according to Romans 12:8-9, which says: "If your gift is to encourage others, be encouraging. If it is giving, give generously. If God has given you leadership ability, take the responsibility seriously. And if you have a gift for showing kindness to others, do it gladly. Don’t just pretend to love others. Really love them. Hate what is wrong. Hold tightly to what is good."

how is refusing to confirm the viewpoint of fundamental christians as dyed in the wool bigots hypocritical? I don't remember them asking my opinion on the matter. If they did, I'd give it. If it seeks ME out, I'll refute it. I won't go looking for it.

And see here, you prove your hypocrisy, as you call us "fundamental Christians, dyed in the wool of bigots." which as you know I did report. Edited to add: and I see you took advantage of a mod's misunderstanding to weasel out of it. I get a snippy response for posting there and you can post away and it is no problem. That's okay.......whatever. First of all, I do not even know what you think a fundamental is. I always thought it referred to Baptists which I am not but if a fundamentalist is one who holds fast to the Scripture and our Faith, who fights the good fight of faith against all false theologies and doctrines, who looks to please God rather than win a popularity contest with men, by preaching to their itching ears what they want to hear, one who opposes mockers of the truth and profane work and cause of the cross of Christ, then by all means feel free to call me a fundamentalist.

But somehow I think it is your "Christian curse word" for Fascists, which is due to your own personal bigotry and not Biblically based.
​

I can't help it if your reading comprehension is a bit low. I did not call you a liar. In fact, I said pretty clearly that I'm sure you believe what you were saying.
I just doubt what you claimed is even POSSIBLE.

Look, for the 3rd time, if not 4th, this is what I said, and this is what I mean, so apparently it isn't my reading comprehension that is in question but your inability to hide the mustard stain that's on the front and center of your white shirt!

I said:

"There is no sin in my life that I have not yielded.
I have no "pet sins". And no, that doesn't mean I am without sin, it only means I have no sin that I want to keep and have coveted and choose to keep and practice. I am completely in agreement with God's Word and want His highest and best in my life and am clay in the potter's hand to do with as He wishes to make me more suitable for His purpose. I am not in any forums fighting for my sin and railing against Christians changing God's Word to make myself feel better in my attempt to justify it."

If you do not believe that it is possible for anyone to not have PET SINS, that is YOUR PROBLEM. But no matter what jig you try to do, or how you try to patronize me as if it is possible "only in my head" and you say you 'doubt that what I claim is even possible', then you are indeed calling me a liar.

one thread does not a proof make. The vitrolic nature of the entire subforum is not corrected by one thread!

I did not offer that to you to correct anything but your assumption.

The significance of that thread is that it was about fornicating heterosexuals who met the SAME OPPOSITION for their unBiblical claims and doctrine. There is actually a part ONE and part TWO of that thread if memory serves me correctly. It was longer than any of these threads. Quite a lot of posts.

I also have not been a member here that long, and this place is big, so don't worry I will make my rounds. In the meantime you should get off your high horse before you fall and hurt yourself.

(and just so it's noted, the scripture is being butchered in your presence, because you chose to seek it out. Not one person forced you to go into a forum you know FULL well will be like that. If it offends your sensibilites so very much, you are responsible for that, you went there on your own accord!)

I am not complaining about where I am, YOU ARE.

I have to wonder...how do you come upon various threads? How did you find your way to this one? Were you "seeking it out"? If not, then how are you to know how I came here or anyone else?

And as I said to you before, what concern is it to you anyway? How is it your responsibility one way or another, what area of ministry we decide to work in or at on any given day? Why do you feel the need to control where we minister or to whom we minister?

You work in whatever field God directs you and leave others to work
what ever field God directs them to. Okey doke?

 

[Uphill Battle]

Erm..no that is not "as I state" ....what I ACTUALLY SAID was:[/font]

"The folks in here do not claim to be lost sinners, they state they are a part of the body. So, your campaign is null and void on account of "sinners" right out of the gate. Read 1 Corinthians chapter 5 and 2 Timothy chapter 3:1-13

They also state that the Word of God does not say what it says, and they claim that homosexual activity is not sin, and they have made David a bisexual, Jonathan a homosexual, Joseph and Potipher bisexuals and Daniel a homosexual all in an effort to support their desires.

They have claimed that Romans 1:26-31 is referring to male homosexual temple prostitutes, in addition to claiming that the men in Sodom and Ghemorah were guilty of beastiality."

Therefore, your argument is still null/void.

again, I ask you: if your church will not allow the "yeast" why do you feel the need to seek it out? I am aware very much of what they say. and I agree. They are wrong. How does that justify seeking out homosexuals just so you can tell them how wrong they are?

I am not sure if you ever happen to notice the number of "visitors" in this forum. Very often I see over 50 people not logged in that are reading.

If those who post here want to be left alone and post their unBiblical teachings, in pursuit of affirmation and approval, let them get their affirmations from a non-Christian site.

If anyone in this forum wants to post unBiblical doctrine and pass it off as Biblical in public on a Christian site, well then they should surely expect it to be refuted, without direct invitation, by those who take their responsibility seriously and hold tight to what is good, and reject what is evil who are willing to be hated for the sake of souls for the cause of Christ, whether it be logged in readers or for those who are lurking that hear, not pretending to love them, but loving them for real according to Romans 12:8-9, which says: "If your gift is to encourage others, be encouraging. If it is giving, give generously. If God has given you leadership ability, take the responsibility seriously. And if you have a gift for showing kindness to others, do it gladly. Don’t just pretend to love others. Really love them. Hate what is wrong. Hold tightly to what is good."

they are also seeing exactly what they expect to see. People haranguing and berating. I suppose that's a spiritual gift, the gift of lambasting.

And see here, you prove your hypocrisy, as you call us "fundamental Christians, dyed in the wool of bigots." which as you know I did report. Edited to add: and I see you took advantage of a mod's misunderstanding to weasel out of it. I get a snippy response for posting there and you can post away and it is no problem. That's okay.......whatever. First of all, I do not even know what you think a fundamental is. I always thought it referred to Baptists which I am not but if a fundamentalist is one who holds fast to the Scripture and our Faith, who fights the good fight of faith against all false theologies and doctrines, who looks to please God rather than win a popularity contest with men, by preaching to their itching ears what they want to hear, one who opposes mockers of the truth and profane work and cause of the cross of Christ, then by all means feel free to call me a fundamentalist.

ha! not being hateful and spiteful is somehow not "fighting the good fight?"

and tell me.. what is pleasing to God? The constant bickering and infighting and using God's word to hammer at people? I daresay not.

But somehow I think it is your "Christian curse word" for Fascists, which is due to your own personal bigotry and not Biblically based.

I already told you in the report thread. I'm a fundamentalist. I just don't believe that seeking out homosexuals and hammering them is productive, and if anything, it drives them further away.

you merely confirm my assertion that you aren't getting what you are reading. Either you are deliberately misrepresenting what I am saying, or you do not comprehend. I did not call anyone a bigot. I am saying when people act that way it confirms to those people their viewpoint, that Fundamentalists are complete and hateful bigots. That is what they accuse us of. Why would we seek out opportunities that will only make them think more so?
.

Look, for the 3rd time, if not 4th, this is what I said, and this is what I mean, so apparently it isn't my reading comprehension that is in question but your inability to hide the mustard stain that's on the front and center of your white shirt!

I said:

"There is no sin in my life that I have not yielded.
I have no "pet sins". And no, that doesn't mean I am without sin, it only means I have no sin that I want to keep and have coveted and choose to keep and practice. I am completely in agreement with God's Word and want His highest and best in my life and am clay in the potter's hand to do with as He wishes to make me more suitable for His purpose. I am not in any forums fighting for my sin and railing against Christians changing God's Word to make myself feel better in my attempt to justify it."

If you do not believe that it is possible for anyone to not have PET SINS, that is YOUR PROBLEM. But no matter what jig you try to do, or how you try to patronize me as if it is possible "only in my head" and you say you 'doubt that what I claim is even possible', then you are indeed calling me a liar.

careful, your martyr card is showing. That is not calling you a liar! You believe that you have given up all your sins, that you have not held anything back. I don't believe that's possible. Now, you believe it, therefore you are not lying. I just think you might be mistaken, based on the fact that I don't believe what you claim is possible.

Why don't you save this for when I DO say you are lying?

I did not offer that to you to correct anything but your assumption.

The significance of that thread is that it was about fornicating heterosexuals who met the SAME OPPOSITION for their unBiblical claims and doctrine. There is actually a part ONE and part TWO of that thread if memory serves me correctly. It was longer than any of these threads. Quite a lot of posts.

I also have not been a member here that long, and this place is big, so don't worry I will make my rounds. In the meantime you should get off your high horse before you fall and hurt yourself.

uh huh. Again, how does one thread dispel all the flame wars we've seen so far? The absolute hate filled invective and vitriolic posts that those lurkers that you are so concerned about are seeing? I fail to see how you can justify that.

I am not complaining about where I am, YOU ARE.

I have to wonder...how do you come upon various threads? How did you find your way to this one? Were you "seeking it out"? If not, then how are you to know how I came here or anyone else?

I STARTED this thread. The reason I saw everything is that I glanced at the reports forum, and saw a shocking amount from this sub forum.

And as I said to you before, what concern is it to you anyway? How is it your responsibility one way or another, what area of ministry we decide to work in or at on any given day? Why do you feel the need to control where we minister or to whom we minister?

You work in whatever field God directs you and leave others to work
what ever field God directs them to. Okey doke?

perhaps my field is to speak out against what we see in this forum?

your rage is misdirected. If you read the op, my point was not simply that those on "your side" were doing something that people could view as hateful, but that BOTH sides were.

What is my concern? I am sick and tired of people thinking Christians are nothing more than a bunch of holier than thous that would sooner hit you with a bible than to care about you in the slightest. THAT is my problem. I'm sure you'd much rather be left alone so that you could carry on your merry way, and very soon, you'll be able to do just that. I won't spend that much more time talking with someone who believes themselves above correction, and is quite content that they are doing the Lords work, and any who would dare disagree are wrong wrong wrong.​

 

[ReformedChapin]

You must have no life to be so obsessed with homosexuality...maybe you are gay and you rant on about it because you can't come to grips with it...that must be it...

Can you please discuss how your comment is relevant to debate?

 

[Floatingaxe]

we're to go looking for sinners to "sharpen?" I don't think so.

Whoever said that? The scripture verse in question is directed to those in the Body.


Proverbs 27:17
As iron sharpens iron, so a friend sharpens a friend.

 

[IamRedeemed]

again, I ask you: if your church will not allow the "yeast" why do you feel the need to seek it out? I am aware very much of what they say. and I agree. They are wrong. How does that justify seeking out homosexuals just so you can tell them how wrong they are?

they are also seeing exactly what they expect to see. People haranguing and berating. I suppose that's a spiritual gift, the gift of lambasting.

You are one that is lambasting and harrassing. I have asked you uncountable times to post proof of this alleged hate, and you have yet to oblige. I also made an open invitation on another thread in here for anyone to do so. No one has. I think you have your wires crossed.

ha! not being hateful and spiteful is somehow not "fighting the good fight?"

and tell me.. what is pleasing to God? The constant bickering and infighting and using God's word to hammer at people? I daresay not.

I had to change the above font and color, because somehow you continue to post in my color and font.
I would appreciate it if you would pay attention to that, especially when you are spewing hate for ministers. Ministering God's Word to refute false doctrine is not hammering, nor is it spiteful, it is correcting lies told, that are done so in the name of the Lord, with His truth.

I already told you in the report thread. I'm a fundamentalist. I just don't believe that seeking out homosexuals and hammering them is productive, and if anything, it drives them further away.

Are you a "dyed wool bigot" fundamentalist? Because that is what you called us.
And again I ask you, what indication do you have that I am a "fundamentalist"?

"seeking out" anyone is YOUR perception.
Again I ask you, how did you encounter this thread?

And again oh thou master of the self-righteous, please show us how to "do it right".
And you have yet to minister to them OR correct any false doctrine in here.
Your statement under your name soliciting reps, shows that you are very interested
in approval from man, that you would go through the trouble to advertise for it.
Give me a break.



you merely confirm my assertion that you aren't getting what you are reading. Either you are deliberately misrepresenting what I am saying, or you do not comprehend. I did not call anyone a bigot. I am saying when people act that way it confirms to those people their viewpoint, that Fundamentalists are complete and hateful bigots. That is what they accuse us of. Why would we seek out opportunities that will only make them think more so?

Your problem is not with me. Your problem is with your perception which is off kilter.

careful, your martyr card is showing. That is not calling you a liar! You believe that you have given up all your sins, that you have not held anything back. I don't believe that's possible. Now, you believe it, therefore you are not lying. I just think you might be mistaken, based on the fact that I don't believe what you claim is possible.

Why don't you save this for when I DO say you are lying?

Maybe for YOU it isn't possible, but it is for the body of Christ. Never did I say I was without sin.
I said there is no sin in my life that I wish to keep, and have yielded my entire life to the Lord, there is NO area I have withheld from Him. I do not make a practice of sin. Do you understand the difference?

uh huh. Again, how does one thread dispel all the flame wars we've seen so far? The absolute hate filled invective and vitriolic posts that those lurkers that you are so concerned about are seeing? I fail to see how you can justify that.

Again, I had to change your font and color.......please pay attention to that.

Again, I ask you to post proof of my "hate filled invective and vitriolic posts" in the name of the Lord.


I STARTED this thread. The reason I saw everything is that I glanced at the reports forum, and saw a shocking amount from this sub forum.

There was a reason for that, as I told you. Evidence was requested, evidence was received.
You'll have to ask the other side regarding the spite reports.


perhaps my field is to speak out against what we see in this forum?

I do not believe that for a minute as your posts are venomous, and you
demonstrate by doing so, that you are condoning blasphemy and false doctrine.

your rage is misdirected. If you read the op, my point was not simply that those on "your side" were doing something that people could view as hateful, but that BOTH sides were.

Again, I ask you to post PROOF of your accusations.
I have over a thousand posts. Surely you can come up with dozens of posts,
according to your allegations to back your claim right?

What is my concern? I am sick and tired of people thinking Christians are nothing more than a bunch of holier than thous that would sooner hit you with a bible than to care about you in the slightest. THAT is my problem. I'm sure you'd much rather be left alone so that you could carry on your merry way, and very soon, you'll be able to do just that. I won't spend that much more time talking with someone who believes themselves above correction, and is quite content that they are doing the Lords work, and any who would dare disagree are wrong wrong wrong.​

I doubt it. Enabling people to post blasphemy and false doctrine, and harrassing ministers is definitely not a call from God to you. And you are the king of the "holier than thous". Half the time we are not even discussing homosexuality in here, but disputing FALSE DOCTRINE. And again "hitting people with the Bible" is YOUR perception, and YOUR problem.

What we are being hit with is a FALSE DOCTRINE in the name of the Lord. Let them post false doctrine in a NON-Christian site to justify their lifestyles if they want affirmations. Why should any Christian site allow the blasphemy and false doctrine that is preached here? THAT is what my problem is.

Want to keep your sin? Fine, just don't pervert the Word of God and profane the work of Christ, in order to attempt to justify it and keep it.

Don't hate people who have been set free by Jesus Christ and testify-and don't call them liars, brainwashed, bullied, pathetic people.

 

[MercyBurst]

how would not engaging people not looking for correction or guidence in such a manner be fruitful? How does not doing so make me a hypocrite? I haven't renounced or violated my beliefs in any way.

Because I don't think you are up to the task of explaining why gay sex is sin. So before you criticize others, let's see you do the job, leading by example. It will earn you some respect.

yep. I'll let you in on a little secret... high church membership doesn't amount to anything other than more butts in the pews.

In the last 10 years several Episcopal Churches have closed their doors for good, so I hear because of lost membership. But that's ok -- liberal churches don't need members anyway.


Besides they're coming over to the fundie churches -- to get away from that pseudo-spiritual namby-pamby. Keep on sendin 'em our way. We're pullin for you!

Why is it that you don't stick to the ones in your life that you care about then?

Because the bible says we should earneslty contend for the doctrine that was first given to us. Gay chirstianity wasn't part of it, though liberal christianity has made it their cornerstone.

 

[Uphill Battle]

[F are one that is lambasting and harrassing. I have asked you uncountable times to post proof of this alleged hate, and you have yet to oblige. I also made an open invitation on another thread in here for anyone to do so. No one has. I think you have your wires crossed.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

Tell me, do you think anyone who is convinced that they are doing everything right, is ever convinced that they are doing it wrong? I could point to any number of posts, and you'll just refute it anyways. I'm not going to give you that satisfaction. I've already wasted enough time as it is.

[F had to change the above font and color, because somehow you continue to post in my color and font.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]​

[F would appreciate it if you would pay attention to that, especially when you are spewing hate for ministers. Ministering God's Word to refute false doctrine is not hammering, nor is it spiteful, it is correcting lies told, that are done so in the name of the Lord, with His truth.[/COLOR][/FONT]

[F wasn't under the impression that you owned colours and fonts. I can type in any colour and[F Black] font[/FONT] I choose to. Nor do I think it's relevant, you are casting aspersions for the sake of doing so. I've yet to run into this much nitpicking. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]​

[F you a "dyed wool bigot" fundamentalist? Because that is what you called us. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[F again I ask you, what indication do you have that I am a "fundamentalist"?[/COLOR][/FONT]

[F out" anyone is YOUR perception. [/COLOR][/FONT]
[F I ask you, how did you encounter this thread?[/COLOR][/FONT]​

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See, now you are DELIBERATLY misrepresenting what I said. I already explained what I meant, I will not do so again.​

[F again oh thou master of the self-righteous, please show us how to "do it right". [/COLOR][/FONT]

[F you have yet to minister to them OR correct any false doctrine in here.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[F statement under your name soliciting reps, shows that you are very interested[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[F approval from man, that you would go through the trouble to advertise for it.[/COLOR][/FONT]
[F me a break.[/COLOR][/FONT]​

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nitpick nitpick nitpick. The statement under my name is a joke among my friends. Trust someone as vitriolic as you to think you can make a point by using it. Have you ever heard of Ad Hominem?

[F problem is not with me. Your problem is with your perception which is off kilter.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]​

entirely possible. I, unlike you, am willing to believe that I COULD be wrong. You on the other hand, have demonstrated that you believe yourself above reproach.

[F for YOU it isn't possible, but it is for the body of Christ. Never did I say I was without sin.[/COLOR][/FONT]
[F said there is no sin in my life that I wish to keep, and have yielded my entire life to the Lord, there is NO area I have withheld from Him. I do not make a practice of sin. Do you understand the difference? [/COLOR][/FONT]​

If the Apostle Paul couldn't do it, I'm not so certain I can believe that YOU can.

[F I had to change your font and color.......please pay attention to that.[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]​

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[F pick... nit pick..... nit pick.... hey, as long as we are nitpicking, why don't you use the quote function properly? Then you wouldn't have to worry about the font bleeding over... As it is something that I clearly could care less about.[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]​

[F was a reason for that, as I told you. Evidence was requested, evidence was received. [/COLOR][/FONT]

[F have to ask the other side regarding the spite reports.[/COLOR][/FONT]


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so everything that they do is a spite report. Reports against the "crusaders" is not evidence that THEY have done something wrong, hey, it's only evidence that the opposition are spiteful! How utterly obtuse.

[F do not believe that for a minute as your posts are venomous, and you [/COLOR][/FONT]​

[F by doing so, that you are condoning blasphemy and false doctrine.[/COLOR][/FONT]​

I condone no such thing. and if there is venom in my posts, it isn't without due reason. You have been generally unpleasant, deliberately misconstruing what I say, and finding fault for the SAKE of finding fault. I think I said it at the end of my FIRST post, GROW UP.​

[F I ask you to post PROOF of your accusations.[/COLOR][/FONT]

[F have over a thousand posts. Surely you can come up with dozens of posts, [/COLOR][/FONT]
[F to your allegations to back your claim right?[/COLOR][/FONT]​

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for the upteenth time, did I say in my OP I am Redeemed needs to stop! NO! I said everyone. I did not direct what I said at any one poster! not one! YOU jumped in to defend YOURSELF, as if I had attacked YOU. I will not play this silly little game of yours any longer.

[F doubt it. Enabling people to post blasphemy and false doctrine, and harrassing ministers is definitely not a call from God to you. And you are the king of the "holier than thous". Half the time we are not even discussing homosexuality in here, but disputing FALSE DOCTRINE. And again "hitting people with the Bible" is YOUR perception, and YOUR problem.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

Half the time you are not discussing homosexuality in the debates on homosexuality forum?

YOU cannot stop people from posting whatever they darn well please. "ministers" are not above reproach and correction, except in their own minds.

[F we are being hit with is a FALSE DOCTRINE in the name of the Lord. Let them post false doctrine in a NON-Christian site to justify their lifestyles if they want affirmations. Why should any Christian site allow the blasphemy and false doctrine that is preached here? THAT is what my problem is.[/COLOR][/FONT]

[F to keep your sin? Fine, just don't pervert the Word of God and profane the work of Christ, in order to attempt to justify it and keep it.[/COLOR][/FONT]

[F hate people who have been set free by Jesus Christ and testify-and don't call them liars, brainwashed, bullied, pathetic people. [/COLOR][/FONT]

I think you added a few fairy tales to what you think I called you. I've explained already that I've never stated you lied. (and the brainwashed, bullied, pathetic people never came up at all...)

I do believe I've wasted enough time with you.

Because I don't think you are up to the task of explaining why gay sex is sin. So before you criticize others, let's see you do the job, leading by example. It will earn you some respect.

I only engage people actually interested in the topic. If someone asks me, I'll tell them. I don't go seeking them out, and I don't perform like a trick pony either.

In the last 10 years several Episcopal Churches have closed their doors for good, so I hear because of lost membership. But that's ok -- liberal churches don't need members anyway.

Again, more butts in the pews mean nothing. A church of three can be far more a light than a church of 10,000.

Besides they're coming over to the fundie churches -- to get away from that pseudo-spiritual namby-pamby. Keep on sendin 'em our way. We're pullin for you!

Namby pamby. ha. You've never been to the church that I go to. Casting that asparagement is a bit specious, you have no idea. I'm sure as long as they do things the same way YOUR church does, they'd be A-ok, otherwise, they are "liberal."

Because the bible says we should earneslty contend for the doctrine that was first given to us. Gay chirstianity wasn't part of it, though liberal christianity has made it their cornerstone.

Are you part of liberal Christianity? No? then why does it concern you? I'm certain that you don't even consider "liberal" Christians Christians at all. That still doesn't explain why you seek them out. If they will not be convinced, you should have kept your pearls in your pocket a long time ago.


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