You all need to stop.

[Uphill Battle]

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and like I asked earlier in this thread... what pet sins are you holding on to? we all have them. What have you not yielded?

There is no sin in my life that I have not yielded.
I have no "pet sins". And no, that doesn't mean I am without sin, it only means I have no sin that I want to keep and have coveted and choose to keep and practice. I am completely in agreement with God's Word and want His highest and best in my life and am clay in the potter's hand to do with as He wishes to make me more suitable for His purpose. I am not in any forums fighting for my sin and railing against Christians changing God's Word to make myself feel better in my attempt to justify it.

This I doubt. Not that I impugn your characther, I don't know you. But I don't believe anyone has really released all their sins.

And as I said in another post, in fact the one you are replying to here:
"I don't know about others here, but I do not run up to homosexuals any more than I run up to the grossly obese and start yelling their sin at them, nor do I picket funerals. This is a DEBATE forum. Not a Church. It in NO WAY represents ministry in case you haven't noticed. The people here aren't looking to be ministered to in case you haven't noticed that as well. If you are in here and you are posting then you are asking for my input.

The only ministry going on here is the fighting for the truth, by deflecting the deception and error and false teaching and apostasy by shining the light in this spiritually darkened pit with the Truth from the Word of God, so that those that want to know what God says from the Bible will be able to hear the truth in here."

I restate. Your entire life is ministry. Because this is an internet forum, we should not feel free to let all sense of decency and civility fall by the wayside.

I am not an arbiter of others sins. This WAS a Christian Only forum area, where there existed a DEBATE about homosexuality. Which the Bible makes clear is not an acceptable way of life in God's eyes and is sin.

debate, sure. Discuss, sure. A large portion of the posts are no such thing, other than hateful diatribes.

You can be the light, but if you are shining your light like a spot-beam and blinding eveyone, it's useless. Likewise, it's good to be salty. But have you ever tried to eat anything with too much salt on it?

I am a licensed minister. I know the Bible very well. I do not have a hatehomo template and I think you are very pretentious. And I would consider this an inflammatory comment.

I am rather pretentious. I'm human.

(btw, how do you deal with the people who believe it's sinful for a woman to be a minister, and that the bible says it's wrong? Just wondering.)

They don't want God's love. They want the world's love. They aren't asking for mercy. Don't you get it?

I love how you group all of them as "they" and that's that. Sure, it saves time and all... but are you sure it's accurate?

There is a good reason, but it isn't the reason you think it is. And if I tell the truth about what it is in detail, I will be violating TOS because the 1st ammendment right of the US is not legal here at CF so, I am not at liberty to explain it to you.

then PM it to me, if you feel some sort of conspiracy exists here at CF.

Comparing us to Phelps without any evidence is not only inaccurate but it is also slanderous.[/FONT]

actually, in written word, it would be libel. Whether or not you like it, when people see christians on a forum like this, not just denouncing sin, but railing and berating, the first thing they will associate you with is the worst example.

The hippie love wagon is when you are withholding the truth from your own "fear of man" and wanting the world to love you more than your desire for God's approval and in turn loving people to the Second DEATH with the world's concept of love. Free love man, don't you know? Free love, there's no sin, everything is legal man.....cool dude, alright.....

I've nver said any such thing. I don't withold the truth. I don't say everything is legal. I've been quite clear about that. I just don't wake up every morning looking for the opportunity to tear a strip off a "sinner."

Don't know what you are referring to here.

don't worry about it.

Yes it is, and I am not guilty of most of the accusations of misconduct you are making.

yes... I know. From the way this thread is turning out, it would seem that nobody is.

Oh really? I don't recall it happening in the way you are describing it. Which I will show you in a moment, but first hear the words of his forerunner, John the Baptist...

"But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance"
Matthew 3:6-8

Jesus also called the stiff necked rebellious Jews who had "a religion", vipers. Jesus said, "My sheep know my voice and they follow me."

Not "my sheep go to church and call themselves Christians."

yes, very strongly worded. now tell me... did John follow them around and berate them?

My plight is against all of the lukewarm in the body of Christ, and all of the false teachers regardless of the topic. The way to Heaven is a narrow gate, the path of destruction is wide. You and others like you are
enabling people to deceive themselves that they will see Heaven walking the wide path.

how am I enabling people to deceive themselves? For about the 6th time, I disagree with them on their lifestyle, and I'm not afraid to say so. The difference is I don't chace them with my self-righteous attitude. You generalize everyone who isn't "fighting your good fight" as supporting the cause of the enemy, which I find rather laughable.

You think I hate homosexuals because this is the area I am currently working on in THIS forum. Very narrow ruler you have there, which comes from your limited view of what I do. Your fault isn't in that it is what you see, it is in assuming it is my limited work site.

I am an evangelist. That is what I do, I preach the Word and people who hear it change by the power of the Holy Spirit. Those that won't hear do not change. I fight lies with truth, as a child of God, it is my duty to bring the light into dark areas within the body of Christ. I am not at a homosexual site. I am on a "Christian forum" in what used to be designated as a "Christian only" area. So, you are attempting to turn an apple into an orange.

No one here is trying to keep anyone to a Sabbath day NOR are they trying to keep anyone from getting healed on a particular day or anything like that. Making profane the Cross of Christ is a completely different scenario and something ALL Christians should be fighting against.

I'm failing to see your point here. I'm rather dull.

Jesus said, "

For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."

Not he who goes to church and says a sinners prayer.

and here are the lovable words of correction Jesus spoke that are completely applicable here, because this is exactly what is occurring in here.

"Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:"
Matthew 23:32-34

yet you ignored the scripture I posted.

and, you've also ignored this question. you say, if someone has had the beam removed from their eye, they are then qualified to remove the speck from their brothers. Tell me, are you a lesbian? If not, how is it that you had that beam removed, if it was never there?

I don't see how you can be a liberal Christian and believe in the fundamentals of Christianity. Liberals pretty much deny scripture and without scripture Christianity dies.

BTW, I have yet to see these extremist here. The only extremist Christians I know are KKK members which I only hear about in TV. The wave of postmodernism has killed any insentive "to be extreme."

another thing where those who are, won't consider themselves such.

I agree, many liberal beliefs seem to be fundamentally non-Christian to me, so much so that I dont think liberal Christianity is Christian.

"Don't be suprised at who you see walking the halls of heaven. Some there will be suprised to see you. - Max Lucado

So "loving" is "sinning that grace may more abound." That's what your argument becomes whether it's gay sex, abortion, pedophile priests or whatever. You can say the same for all of them.

I am NOT ARGUING that it is ok. I am arguing that being hateful and rude and predatory is NOT ok. How is it that I can have explained that so many times, and still have you saying things like this?

 

[ReformedChapin]

another thing where those who are, won't consider themselves such.

If this statement is true then extremism is purely subjective.

 

[Uphill Battle]

If this statement is true then extremism is purely subjective.

exactly my point.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Even your brief description seems at odds with what you are actually doing. In your description, you are saying that if I am struggling with an issue I should find someone who has had the same struggle and overcome it.

So unless you are now coming out as a lesbian, and people in this sub-forum have asked you to counsel them in their struggle, what you are doing has nothing to do with what you claim you are doing.

And your "posted scripture reference" (I presume that you mean the Matthew 7 reference) does not authorize us to take it on ourselves to tear down others. It exhorts just the opposite. That we must examine our own motives and actions.

What an obtuse understanding!

The Lord Jesus Christ puts people in our paths, and our lives that mentor us. Some for long term, and others, short term. We are to learn from one another. When someone has no stronghold in an area of their lives, then it behooves the Christian who has a stronghold in that area to listen to the other and follow after him/her.

I always look to another believer who has strength or more truth in a certain area than I do. It is wise behaviour.

No one is tearing down anyone. If you are pricked in your conscience, that has nothing to do with me, but the Holy Spirit. Don't kill the messenger.

 

[Floatingaxe]

In my experience, it is the unrepentent sinners who would come to church in the first place. In ours, we have a meeting on Sunday evenings where they are most welcome. At that meeting, we preach the gospel in an attempt to show them the error of their ways. We do not expect them to come in repentant. They probably wouldn't know the meaning of the word repentant.

Why would you not allow an unrepentant sinner to enter into your chuch building? How are you able to show them the love of God (ie, He sent His Son to die on the cross that we might live) if they are unwelcome.

By all means, come one, come all! Receive Christ!

Those who refuse Christ over and over and over again, well, they will peter out and leave---usually. We offer Christ continually, but these types usually leave.

It is the Christian who turns away and refuses to admit his sin that we must remove from the assembly as Paul instructs.

If you don't like it, take it up with him. There is a right way to do church and a wrong way. Those who do it right--grow and remain healthy. Those who coddle the unrepentant Christian tend to be more social clubs than anything else, offering the comfortable pew. I wouldn't want to worship in a Body that is polluted with carnality like that.

 

[IamRedeemed]

As suggested before, let's please see you prove biblically that homosexuality is indeed a sin according to the bible. To show you are indeed sincere, and not a hypocrite, I suggest you start the thread right here on the this forum, and convince all gays that gay sex is sinful. We are all ears -- please get started. Otherwise you come across as an armchair coach and a hypocrite.

I am waiting for these lessons still myself.



Apparantly you didn't get it about the church split. Have you read the news lately about the Episcopals, American Baptists, Church of Christ, Presbyterian Church, and Lutheran church. Their memebrships are falling drastically over this issue and all the others in liberal christianity.

exactly.

 

[Uphill Battle]

As suggested before, let's please see you prove biblically that homosexuality is indeed a sin according to the bible. To show you are indeed sincere, and not a hypocrite, I suggest you start the thread right here on the this forum, and convince all gays that gay sex is sinful. We are all ears -- please get started. Otherwise you come across as an armchair coach and a hypocrite.

how would not engaging people not looking for correction or guidence in such a manner be fruitful? How does not doing so make me a hypocrite? I haven't renounced or violated my beliefs in any way.

Apparantly you didn't get it about the church split. Have you read the news lately about the Episcopals, American Baptists, Church of Christ, Presbyterian Church, and Lutheran church. Their memebrships are falling drastically over this issue and all the others in liberal christianity.

yep. I'll let you in on a little secret... high church membership doesn't amount to anything other than more butts in the pews.

Those in my life I care about are warned about church apostacy. I've not personally met anyone on this forum -- hence it probably is a campaign to them.

likely. Why is it that you don't stick to the ones in your life that you care about then?

 

[Floatingaxe]

Fess up. If you are a Lesbian, and have conquered that area of your life, fine. If not, you have no right. Has the log of homosexuality been removed from your eye? and if so, are you an appointed leader and councilor to those who have not?

OK, I'll 'fess up. I have never had a homosexual thought. I do not struggle with homosexuality. I am strong in this area and free in Christ. Therefore I am fully qualified to teach about freedom from the Word of God and through my experience in gaining freedom in other areas in my life through the freeing power of the Holy Spirit.

You don't have to have had the exact bondage to be able to assist someone in gaining their freedom. I have had bondage elsewhere and it is all the same--it is demonic.

I praise God for His care and for His people who cared enough for me to help me gain my freedom. That is what the Body of Christ is for.

Jesus distinctly told the friends of Lazarus to remove his stinking graveclothes. He didn't do it Himself. Why? Because He gave the freedom, but we need to unbind one another, sometimes. We are called people---called to do His work in this dark and unbelieving world.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Let's be reasonable, what I ment in my statement is that if someone is unrepentat and are purposefully sinning inside the church kick them out. If you have sinners that are respecting church guidelines by all means they can be in there. The whole let them in the church isn't working, because it's affecting the integraty of the Gosple. That's why so many churches have gone liberal, especially mainstream churches.

That's what I have been saying all along! Thanks for that!

 

[IamRedeemed]

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and like I asked earlier in this thread... what pet sins are you holding on to? we all have them. What have you not yielded?

Originally Posted by IaR
There is no sin in my life that I have not yielded.
I have no "pet sins". And no, that doesn't mean I am without sin, it only means I have no sin that I want to keep and have coveted and choose to keep and practice. I am completely in agreement with God's Word and want His highest and best in my life and am clay in the potter's hand to do with as He wishes to make me more suitable for His purpose. I am not in any forums fighting for my sin and railing against Christians changing God's Word to make myself feel better in my attempt to justify it.


This I doubt. Not that I impugn your characther, I don't know you. But I don't believe anyone has really released all their sins.

Not only are you "impuning" my character in this area, you are also calling me a liar. It is actually pretty sad imho that you know of no one who lives a yielded life to Christ.

I restate. Your entire life is ministry. Because this is an internet forum, we should not feel free to let all sense of decency and civility fall by the wayside.

You are right, it is, and posting sound doctrine, thwarting the lies of the enemy with God breathed Scripture to professed Christians does not equal the 'falling by the wayside of all sense of decency and civility', nor does it equate to hate. Opinions are not necessarily truth.

debate, sure. Discuss, sure. A large portion of the posts are no such thing, other than hateful diatribes.
That again is a subjective opinion.


Jesus calls the reaction we are getting here, "a love growing cold, turning away from Him, sin running rampant and a betrayal and hate for the brethren."

You can be the light, but if you are shining your light like a spot-beam and blinding eveyone, it's useless. Likewise, it's good to be salty. But have you ever tried to eat anything with too much salt on it?

Again, a subjective view and opinion.

I am rather pretentious. I'm human.

Nice how you excused yourself from your slanderous accusation here.

(btw, how do you deal with the people who believe it's sinful for a woman to be a minister, and that the bible says it's wrong? Just wondering.)

If they are interested in what the Word actually says, I share it with them. Let me know if you would be one that would like to know what the Word actually says.

But to clarify, for your curiosity's sake, I am not a Pastor and because of the order of the Church and the family that God has laid as a foundation, I do not believe women are called to be Pastors. That being said I don't think there is anything wrong with a wife working along side her Pastor husband as a co-Pastor, although that is also not the office I have been called to nor minister in.

I love how you group all of them as "they" and that's that. Sure, it saves time and all... but are you sure it's accurate?

The evidence speaks for itself on both questions.

then PM it to me, if you feel some sort of conspiracy exists here at CF.

LOL! How did you arrive at that theory?

actually, in written word, it would be libel. Whether or not you like it, when people see christians on a forum like this, not just denouncing sin, but railing and berating, the first thing they will associate you with is the worst example.

You are right, you could be sued for libel, and again the rest of your statement is a subjective opinion.

Originally Posted by IaR
The hippie love wagon is when you are withholding the truth from your own "fear of man" and wanting the world to love you more than your desire for God's approval and in turn loving people to the Second DEATH with the world's concept of love. Free love man, don't you know? Free love, there's no sin, everything is legal man.....cool dude, alright.....


I've never said any such thing. I don't withold the truth. I don't say everything is legal. I've been quite clear about that. I just don't wake up every morning looking for the opportunity to tear a strip off a "sinner."

again..another subjective opinion.

don't worry about it.

OK

Originally Posted by IaR

Yes it is, and I am not guilty of most of the accusations of misconduct you are making.


yes... I know. From the way this thread is turning out, it would seem that nobody is.

Nice dodge. Accusations afly with no credence, just subjective opinions and slanderous remarks.

yes, very strongly worded. now tell me... did John follow them around and berate them?

Once again, I am not on a "homosexual site". I am on a "Christian Site" where homosexuals wearing a "cloak of Christianity" are preaching false gospel that I am rebutting with sound doctrine and the God breathed Scripture.

Originally Posted by IaR
My plight is against all of the lukewarm in the body of Christ, and all of the false teachers regardless of the topic. The way to Heaven is a narrow gate, the path of destruction is wide. You and others like you are
enabling people to deceive themselves that they will see Heaven walking the wide path.

how am I enabling people to deceive themselves? For about the 6th time, I disagree with them on their lifestyle, and I'm not afraid to say so.

You honestly do not see how you are an enabler?


The difference is I don't chace them with my self-righteous attitude. You generalize everyone who isn't "fighting your good fight" as supporting the cause of the enemy, which I find rather laughable.

More subjective rhetoric and opinion, and a self-righteous credit to yourself-excellent.

Originally Posted by IaR
You think I hate homosexuals because this is the area I am currently working on in THIS forum. Very narrow ruler you have there, which comes from your limited view of what I do. Your fault isn't in that it is what you see, it is in assuming it is my limited work site.

I am an evangelist. That is what I do, I preach the Word and people who hear it change by the power of the Holy Spirit. Those that won't hear do not change. I fight lies with truth, as a child of God, it is my duty to bring the light into dark areas within the body of Christ. I am not at a homosexual site. I am on a "Christian forum" in what used to be designated as a "Christian only" area. So, you are attempting to turn an apple into an orange.

No one here is trying to keep anyone to a Sabbath day NOR are they trying to keep anyone from getting healed on a particular day or anything like that. Making profane the Cross of Christ is a completely different scenario and something ALL Christians should be fighting against.


I'm failing to see your point here. I'm rather dull.

The point is as clear as the Scripture is that is being debated here.

yet you ignored the scripture I posted.

I didn't ignore the Scripture... you misquoted the Scripture first of all, plucking out a part of it, and you missed the Scripture that preceded it that I quoted for you.

Here is the part of the Scripture you posted"Oh, Jerusalem, how I have longed to pull you to me, like a mother hen and her chicks....

Here is the ACTUAL Scripture in its entirety. I will bold and underline the parts you left out.

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones God’s messengers! How often I have wanted to gather your children together as a hen protects her chicks beneath her wings, but you wouldn’t let me. And now, look, your house is abandoned and desolate. For I tell you this, you will never see me again until you say, ‘Blessings on the one who comes in the name of the Lord!’”

See how much you left out and how the context changes expressly? And this Scripture describes exactly what we have going on here.

and, you've also ignored this question. you say, if someone has had the beam removed from their eye, they are then qualified to remove the speck from their brothers. Tell me, are you a lesbian? If not, how is it that you had that beam removed, if it was never there?

No, but I was lost and now I'm found. I was bound but am now made free. The Word is life to those that find it and health to all their flesh. He who the Son makes free is free indeed. Many have been delivered from this bondage of sin and many other bondages that they thought were impossible, but if God says it is sin, then deliverance is theirs. Those that walk free of this bondage or any other are no more important to the Lord than these are. They are not exempt from His deliverance.

 

[Uphill Battle]

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Not only are you "impuning" my character in this area, you are also calling me a liar. It is actually pretty sad imho that you know of no one who lives a yielded life to Christ.

yielded to Christ does not mean free from sin. No matter how long you live, how well you do, how hard you try, there will be sins that you carry that you have not yet yielded. It's just plain truth. It has nothing to do with impugning your characther, nor do I think you are lying, I know you believe that. I just don't think it's accurate, or even possible.

You are right, it is, and posting sound doctrine, thwarting the lies of the enemy with God breathed Scripture to professed Christians does not equal the 'falling by the wayside of all sense of decency and civility', nor does it equate to hate. Opinions are not necessarily truth.

you're right. Not neccessarily. But you can be completely right, post the right scripture, interpret it correctly, be completely in the truth, and STILL depart from decency and civility. It's really that simple.

That again is a subjective opinion. Jesus calls the reaction we are getting here, "a love growing cold, turning away from Him, sin running rampant and a betrayal and hate for the brethren."

exactly how vitrolic do the posts need to get before you'd consider them hateful?

Again, a subjective view and opinion.

oh sure, you could say that. But good common sense dictates that you don't show people the way by blinding them with the high beams.

IIf they are interested in what the Word actually says, I share it with them. Let me know if you would be one that would like to know what the Word actually says.

But to clarify, for your curiosity's sake, I am not a Pastor and because of the order of the Church and the family that God has laid as a foundation, I do not believe women are called to be Pastors. That being said I don't think there is anything wrong with a wife working along side her Pastor husband as a co-Pastor, although that is also not the office I have been called to nor minister in.

thanks for answering.

The evidence speaks for itself on both questions.

funny, I was just thinking the exact same thing.

LOL! How did you arrive at that theory?

just this...
And if I tell the truth about what it is in detail, I will be violating TOS because the 1st ammendment right of the US is not legal here at CF so, I am not at liberty to explain it to you.

unless you meant something else.

You are right, you could be sued for libel, and again the rest of your statement is a subjective opinion.

really, you could say everything is subjective opinion then, couldn't ya?

again..another subjective opinion.

oh, so you DO think that I might think of waking up and attacking homosexuals online? there was nothing subjective in what I said.



yes... I know. From the way this thread is turning out, it would seem that nobody is.

Nice dodge. Accusations afly with no credence, just subjective opinions and slanderous remarks.

no dodge. It's just like I said. Not one person will own up to it. Some do it, some don't, but none do, in their "subjective" opinion.

Once again, I am not on a "homosexual site". I am on a "Christian Site" where homosexuals wearing a "cloak of Christianity" are preaching false gospel that I am rebutting with sound doctrine and the God breathed Word of God.

lets see... Is it 4th or 5th time I've said thsi? It is not what is said, it is how it is said. It is not the message, it is the motivation and method.

You honestly do not see how you are an enabler?

nope. I guess you might, but that would be "subjective" wouldn't it?

More subjective rhetoric and opinion, and a self-righteous credit to yourself-excellent.

indeed.

I didn't ignore the Scripture... you misquoted the Scripture first of all, plucking out a part of it, and you missed the Scripture that preceded it that I quoted for you.

Here is the part of the Scripture you posted "Oh, Jerusalem, how I have longed to pull you to me, like a mother hen and her chicks....

Here is the ACTUAL Scripture in its entirety. I will bold and underline the parts you left out.

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones God’s messengers! How often I have wanted to gather your children together as a hen protects her chicks beneath her wings, but you wouldn’t let me. And now, look, your house is abandoned and desolate. For I tell you this, you will never see me again until you say, ‘Blessings on the one who comes in the name of the Lord!’”

See how much you left out and how the context changes expressly? And this Scripture describes exactly what we have going on here.

I fail to see how that doesn't demonstrate the love Jesus was showing to the very same people he was chastizing? yes, I clipped, but the meaning of what I showed is the same. God loves even those who would stone his messangers, not let him reach them.

No, but I was lost and now I'm found. I was bound but am now made free. The Word is life to those that find it and health to all their flesh. He who the Son makes free is free indeed. Many have been delivered from this bondage of sin and many other bondages that they thought were impossible, but if God says it is sin, then deliverance is theirs. Those that walk free of this bondage or any other are no more important to the Lord than these are. They are not exempt from His deliverance.

I'm glad for that.

Still, it does show that the particular beam was never in your eye in the first place, no?

 

[furry001]

By all means, come one, come all! Receive Christ!

Those who refuse Christ over and over and over again, well, they will peter out and leave---usually. We offer Christ continually, but these types usually leave.

It is the Christian who turns away and refuses to admit his sin that we must remove from the assembly as Paul instructs.

If you don't like it, take it up with him. There is a right way to do church and a wrong way. Those who do it right--grow and remain healthy. Those who coddle the unrepentant Christian tend to be more social clubs than anything else, offering the comfortable pew. I wouldn't want to worship in a Body that is polluted with carnality like that.

Amen. I quite agree. If they are in fellowship then that is a completely different matter altogether. If they are not in fellowship, we need to show them the Scriptures and let the Holy Spirit teach them.

 

[IamRedeemed]

yielded to Christ does not mean free from sin. No matter how long you live, how well you do, how hard you try, there will be sins that you carry that you have not yet yielded. It's just plain truth. It has nothing to do with impugning your characther, nor do I think you are lying, I know you believe that. I just don't think it's accurate, or even possible.

Now you are changing what I said to suit yourself.
What I actually said was:

Quote:
Originally Posted by IaR
There is no sin in my life that I have not yielded.
I have no "pet sins". And no, that doesn't mean I am without sin, it only means I have no sin that I want to keep and have coveted and choose to keep and practice. I am completely in agreement with God's Word and want His highest and best in my life and am clay in the potter's hand to do with as He wishes to make me more suitable for His purpose. I am not in any forums fighting for my sin and railing against Christians changing God's Word to make myself feel better in my attempt to justify it.


you're right. Not neccessarily. But you can be completely right, post the right scripture, interpret it correctly, be completely in the truth, and STILL depart from decency and civility. It's really that simple.

Again, that is a subjective opinion.


exactly how vitrolic do the posts need to get before you'd consider them hateful?

You have yet to post proof examples of my hateful posts.

The hate from the other side is exactly as I stated that Jesus described as a "love for Him growing cold, a turning away from Him and sin running rampant and a betrayal and hate for the brethren."

oh sure, you could say that. But good common sense dictates that you don't show people the way by blinding them with the high beams.

That is your opinion of what has and is taking place here by me and is completely subjective.

thanks for answering.

You're welcome.

funny, I was just thinking the exact same thing.

OK

just this...
And if I tell the truth about what it is in detail, I will be violating TOS because the 1st ammendment right of the US is not legal here at CF so, I am not at liberty to explain it to you.

unless you meant something else.

That equals a belief by me that there is a conspiracy?
I still have no idea how being gagged by rules which disable you from speaking openly in detail truthfully about a matter equals that I think there is a conspiracy theory. I do not. I just cannot be honest and open without being in violation, and a PM would equal talking about people behind their backs, what I should and would say to them, so that is not an option either. You will just have to trust me when I tell you that what occurred isn't what you have surmised and leave it at that.


really, you could say everything is subjective opinion then, couldn't ya?

Much of what you have proposed is.

oh, so you DO think that I might think of waking up and attacking homosexuals online? there was nothing subjective in what I said.

I do not know what you think of when you wake up, just as you do not know what anyone else does either, and that is why it is subjective.

yes... I know. From the way this thread is turning out, it would seem that nobody is.


no dodge. It's just like I said. Not one person will own up to it. Some do it, some don't, but none do, in their "subjective" opinion.

Own up to what? Accusations with no posted proof? You wouldn't even own up to what you falsely accused me of even though the proof was there in black and white, but simply excused yourself as human. Don't you find that a tad hypocritical of yourself? And your expectations a tad bit critical of others when you won't even post the alleged infractions you accuse us of?

lets see... Is it 4th or 5th time I've said thsi? It is not what is said, it is how it is said. It is not the message, it is the motivation and method.

Again, Oh master, teach us thy ways! We are all waiting anxiously to learn from you, so that we may learn to do it right!


I fail to see how that doesn't demonstrate the love Jesus was showing to the very same people he was chastizing? yes, I clipped, but the meaning of what I showed is the same. God loves even those who would stone his messangers, not let him reach them.
I'm glad for that.

The point is THEY WOULDN'T COME! They wouldn't heed His voice. They wouldn't receive His truth or His deliverance. What you posted was entirely OUT of context.

What I posted which was the entire Scripture is completely
applicable here. He is still calling, and they are still ignoring Him and lobbying to change His words, in order to KEEP their sin, AS IF that were in their power to do.

Still, it does show that the particular beam was never in your eye in the first place, no?

Where do you get the idea that one has to have been bound by the same bondage as another in order to minister to those in a particular bondage or teach the Word of God to them?

Do you have any Scripture to support that belief?
I'll save you the trouble of looking. There isn't any.

People aren't delivered by me anyway. They are delivered by the power of the Holy Spirit by the Word of God, through Christ. Without Him, I can NO Thing.

The Word is LIFE to those that find it and health to all their flesh. The word of God is also quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

 

[UberLutheran]

I am arguing that being hateful and rude and predatory is NOT ok. How is it that I can have explained that so many times, and still have you saying things like this?

I have purposefully NOT participated in this thread so far just so you could experience the level of defensiveness (and denial) on the part of the fundies whenever they are confronted on any of their own myriad sins.

Not that folks over on my side of the fence haven't done the same thing (we have, and that doesn't excuse our own behavior in this ongoing battle) -- but at least folks over on my side of the fence will admit that we've been contentious, judgmental and occasionally downright nasty in our exchanges.

Now, Uphill Battle: imagine facing the kind of exchange on which you've just been on the receiving end EVERY SINGLE DAY YOU LOG ON TO CF. That's what we experience.

And... welcome to our world.

 

[IamRedeemed]

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I have purposefully NOT participated in this thread so far just so you could experience the level of defensiveness (and denial) on the part of the fundies whenever they are confronted on any of their own myriad sins.

Not that folks over on my side of the fence haven't done the same thing (we have, and that doesn't excuse our own behavior in this ongoing battle) -- but at least folks over on my side of the fence will admit that we've been contentious, judgmental and occasionally downright nasty in our exchanges.

Now, Uphill Battle: imagine facing the kind of exchange on which you've just been on the receiving end EVERY SINGLE DAY YOU LOG ON TO CF. That's what we experience.

And... welcome to our world.

 

[Uphill Battle]

yielded to Christ does not mean free from sin. No matter how long you live, how well you do, how hard you try, there will be sins that you carry that you have not yet yielded. It's just plain truth. It has nothing to do with impugning your characther, nor do I think you are lying, I know you believe that. I just don't think it's accurate, or even possible.

Now you are changing what I said to suit yourself.
What I actually said was:

Quote:
Originally Posted by IaR
There is no sin in my life that I have not yielded.
I have no "pet sins". And no, that doesn't mean I am without sin, it only means I have no sin that I want to keep and have coveted and choose to keep and practice. I am completely in agreement with God's Word and want His highest and best in my life and am clay in the potter's hand to do with as He wishes to make me more suitable for His purpose. I am not in any forums fighting for my sin and railing against Christians changing God's Word to make myself feel better in my attempt to justify it.


you're right. Not neccessarily. But you can be completely right, post the right scripture, interpret it correctly, be completely in the truth, and STILL depart from decency and civility. It's really that simple.

Again, that is a subjective opinion.


exactly how vitrolic do the posts need to get before you'd consider them hateful?

You have yet to post proof examples of my hateful posts.

The hate from the other side is exactly as I stated that Jesus described as a "love for Him growing cold, a turning away from Him and sin running rampant and a betrayal and hate for the brethren."

oh sure, you could say that. But good common sense dictates that you don't show people the way by blinding them with the high beams.

That is your opinion of what has and is taking place here by me and is completely subjective.

thanks for answering.

You're welcome.

funny, I was just thinking the exact same thing.

OK

just this...
And if I tell the truth about what it is in detail, I will be violating TOS because the 1st ammendment right of the US is not legal here at CF so, I am not at liberty to explain it to you.

unless you meant something else.

That equals a belief by me that there is a conspiracy?
I still have no idea how being gagged by rules which disable you from speaking openly in detail truthfully about a matter equals that I think there is a conspiracy theory. I do not. I just cannot be honest and open without being in violation, and a PM would equal talking about people behind their backs, what I should and would say to them, so that is not an option either. You will just have to trust me when I tell you that what occurred isn't what you have surmised and leave it at that.


really, you could say everything is subjective opinion then, couldn't ya?

Much of what you have proposed is.

oh, so you DO think that I might think of waking up and attacking homosexuals online? there was nothing subjective in what I said.

I do not know what you think of when you wake up, just as you do not know what anyone else does either, and that is why it is subjective.

yes... I know. From the way this thread is turning out, it would seem that nobody is.


no dodge. It's just like I said. Not one person will own up to it. Some do it, some don't, but none do, in their "subjective" opinion.

Own up to what? Accusations with no posted proof? You wouldn't even own up to what you falsely accused me of even though the proof was there in black and white, but simply excused yourself as human. Don't you find that a tad hypocritical of yourself? And your expectations a tad bit critical of others when you won't even post the alleged infractions you accuse us of?

lets see... Is it 4th or 5th time I've said thsi? It is not what is said, it is how it is said. It is not the message, it is the motivation and method.

Again, Oh master, teach us thy ways! We are all waiting anxiously to learn from you, so that we may learn to do it right!


I fail to see how that doesn't demonstrate the love Jesus was showing to the very same people he was chastizing? yes, I clipped, but the meaning of what I showed is the same. God loves even those who would stone his messangers, not let him reach them.
I'm glad for that.

The point is THEY WOULDN'T COME! They wouldn't heed His voice. They wouldn't receive His truth or His deliverance. What you posted was entirely OUT of context.

What I posted which was the entire Scripture is completely
applicable here. He is still calling, and they are still ignoring Him and lobbying to change His words, in order to KEEP their sin, AS IF that were in their power to do.

Still, it does show that the particular beam was never in your eye in the first place, no?

Where do you get the idea that one has to have been bound by the same bondage as another in order to minister to those in a particular bondage or teach the Word of God to them?

Do you have any Scripture to support that belief?
I'll save you the trouble of looking. There isn't any.

People aren't delivered by me anyway. They are delivered by the power of the Holy Spirit by the Word of God, through Christ. Without Him, I can NO Thing.

The Word is LIFE to those that find it and health to all their flesh. The word of God is also quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

That's it, I'm done.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I have purposefully NOT participated in this thread so far just so you could experience the level of defensiveness (and denial) on the part of the fundies whenever they are confronted on any of their own myriad sins.

Not that folks over on my side of the fence haven't done the same thing (we have, and that doesn't excuse our own behavior in this ongoing battle) -- but at least folks over on my side of the fence will admit that we've been contentious, judgmental and occasionally downright nasty in our exchanges.

Now, Uphill Battle: imagine facing the kind of exchange on which you've just been on the receiving end EVERY SINGLE DAY YOU LOG ON TO CF. That's what we experience.

And... welcome to our world.

 

[MrPirate]

That's it, I'm done.

You tired. I’m sorry some people felt so threatened by the prospect of actually listening to others that they took to attacking you so

Though it is interesting to look and see just who did the attacking

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

I'd just like to say this:

It's sad when Christians are the tempters. More to the point, Uphill made this wondering why we argue and acting against it and we've come in here and nagged and nagged him to the point he's almost (note, I said almost) come to that point as well. I think this should just stop. If we've come to that point, than we've come too far already.

 

[UberLutheran]

You tired. I’m sorry some people felt so threatened by the prospect of actually listening to others that they took to attacking you so

Though it is interesting to look and see just who did the attacking

Too bad I don't know where he lives.

After what he's been through with the fundies on this board, I'd ask him to come over and have some coffee and a piece of freshly-baked rhubarb pie.

There's just something about coffee and rhubarb pie when we need to commiserate.

Well — at least now he knows what a lot of us have been through on this board: the hypocrisy of those who claim to be "loving the sinner and hating the sin" which includes ridicule, put-downs, haughtiness, self-righteousness, smug superiority, fabrications and occasionally outright lies, and a willingness to use the Bible as a weapon to destroy anybody who does not follow the fundamentalist party line.