You all need to stop.

[IamRedeemed]

There's an infestation of lukewarmness all around, what is your point? If you can't beat 'em join 'em?

there is also an infestation of loose morals regarding heterosexuallity. There is also an infestation regarding legalism. an infestation of bigotry.

yet you are mute on that, and stick to poking the homosexuals with tired hate filled tirades.

Nobody stated you have to condone what they do. I certainly don't. I just don't believe the self righteous bovine droppings that you guys spread around like so much odiferous peanut butter does anything other than prove a lack of Christ likeness in your own conduct.

 

[IamRedeemed]

The report forum is not an indication of
anything that you have surmised.

not a single one is listning either, given the state of the reports forum.

Surprise=0.

 

[IamRedeemed]

I'm sure Phelps would be proud of some of you./quote]

And you have lumped us with PHELPS!
Of course we know that this is directed to everyone here who isn't
on the hippie love wagon, but fights the good fight of faith.
(which btw, gays here have used that scripture to support each other in their
stance AGAINST what God has spoken! How sacriligious is that?

I never even knew who Fred Phelps was until I came here, and then I looked him up to find out because I figured if I am going to be categorized with someone I need to know who he is, and let me tell you something.

I take great offense to that. I don't know about others here, but I do not run up to homosexuals any more than I run up to the grossly obese and start yelling their sin at them, nor do I picket funerals. This is a DEBATE forum. Not a Church. It in NO WAY represents ministry in case you haven't noticed. The people here aren't looking to be ministered to in case you haven't noticed that as well.

The only ministry going on here is the fighting for the truth, by deflecting the deception and error and false teaching and apostasy by shining the light in this spiritually darkened pit with the Truth from the Word of God, so that those that want to know what God says from the Bible will be able to hear the truth in here.

I think it is detestable what he (F.P.) and those like him do, and I do not believe that speaking in a forum can even remotely be compared to such. Talk about extremists.............

Jesus did not show love to those who taught falsely, and who tried to lead people astray. He condemned them.

The side you are defending claims in support of their coveting of their sin that Jesus ate with sinners.........

Yes, He did!

And when He did REVIVALS broke out. People's hearts were changed. Tax collectors who were the hated were converted and gave back to the people and were loved. The adulteress was told GO AND SIN NO MORE. Mary Magdalene had demons cast out of her.

NO ONE remained the same when Jesus was among them, when they were teachable and had their hearts open to Him.

Jesus NEVER condoned sinners or sin. He died to pay the price for those who will turn from it.

Seriously.


have any of you glanced in the theology reports section lately? Do you know where all the reports are coming from? You guessed it, THIS subforum.

Pardon me for saying so, but I see ALOT of people trying to remove specks out of others eyes right now in this forum, all the while smashing the other person in the face with the beam potruding from their own.

To the crusaders against homosexuality:

Exactly WHY is it you feel the need to harp on this one topic? Why is it thread after thread is started, or detracts into a flame war, because of the vast difference in opinion?

let me make something very clear, I myself personally believe that homosexual sex is sinful as dictated by the bible. However, I have NO idea how beating others with your "holy stick" is serving any real purpose. Nor do I believe that it is any more grave a sin than being a spiteful, hateful jerk!

the accusation is against you that you are hateful, and in some instances that could be warrented. I have seen some incredebly hateful posts from our supposedly "showing the truth" while ignoring the truth of God... Love others (including homosexuals) as you love yourself. Yes, yes, I know the apologetic... it isn't hateful to show someone the errors of there ways.

show me ONE instance where Christ said anything regarding homosexuality? no, that doesn't make it right, but it also showed his lack of prioritizing when it came to sin. Being bitter and spiteful is every bit as much a sin. And to think so many churches out there make their platform on this one issue along. How about focussing on something like, the poor? the needy?

I'm sure Phelps would be proud of some of you.

to the Homosexuals, and to those who support them:


Yes, you have been hated, and subjected to hateful speech.

however, I may point out that what is good for the goose, is good for the gander. I see baiting, and hatefulness from your camp as well. Fundamentalists (which, I might add, is a misrepresented word in the first place, it should read extremists, if you are going to label people) are derided as strongly as over-zealous people deride homosexuals. You have the gall to call everyone who takes the bible for what it says as deluded. There are so very many of us who believe what the word says without having to find a different interpretation for it (and yes, I COULD BE WRONG, but I've seen no strong evidence to believe so) that you have arbitrarily lumped in with Freddy P. and his ilk, because we have the "indecency" of disagreeing with you. I've seen the accussation over and over and over again that they show no love, however, I don't see much going the other way.

Now I'm sure I've sufficiently [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed off both sides of the fence, and I will shortly be getting an earful.

perhaps that is a good thing, it will stop (or slow down) the lot of you poking each other with your sabres for a few minutes.

seriously, GROW UP.

 

[MercyBurst]

Exactly WHY is it you feel the need to harp on this one topic?

Are we supposed to talk about something else on the homosexual debate forum? Perhaps it should be shut down.

And to think so many churches out there make their platform on this one issue alone.

What churches make their platform on this one subject alone, besides Phelps? Could you please be specific?

How about focussing on something like, the poor? the needy?

Is that what you do? If so, then good. Goodwill focusses on that one and only mission. Churches typically stay balanced on many issues.

Many of us debate on the other forums. We find disagreement on even the most basic tenets of the Christian faith, expecially concerning morality.

This should probably be called Corinthian Forums, because that is what it's like. The world makes a better model for morality in many cases.

For example, on another sub-forum I debated the subject of pedophile priests. I said pedophile priests do not belong in a pastorate position regardless of their denomination -- legally, they belong in jail.

This just seems like common sense to most people -- but ohh no -- that's being holier than thou according to one lad I debated. It's ok for your church to harbor felons from the law here in america whether they are serial killers, child molestors, or whatever -- yes you heard that right -- SERIAL KILLERS that have killed and they are looking for another victim -- your local church leadership is justifed to hide them from the legal authorities. It is ok for them to mix and mingle, unsupervised, in the local church congrergation. This is "biblically justified" according to the lad, and you lack faith if you don't trust a felon that says he's sorry but doesn't show it.

I've heard the same report from other sub-forums where people debate the morality of pre-marital sex . You hear all the same arguments presented here on the gay forum, with people defending fornication with a passion.

So in summary, CF is like a microcosm of the church body, and it reads like a harlot. God said He will judge sin STARTING with the church. I dread the day, but it's going to happen. People I love and care about could be caught in that judgment, and that is why I warn them.

 

[MercyBurst]

gee i was just thinking of you in one of my last posts . So I assume you are without sin and have cornered the market on biblical interpetations ?

Romans 2:1 Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
Quote:
Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge so that you will not be judged.
Quote:

"But Jesus stooped down, and with His finger wrote on the ground, as though He heard them not. So when they continued asking Him, He lifted up Himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again He stooped down, and wrote on the ground." "And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst."
Quote:
Or how say to your brother, 'Allow me to take the splinter out of your eye,' while the beam is in your own eye?

Though often quoted by gays, I don't think they really understand what these verses mean. Those of us that condemn honosexuality do not practice the same thing (ref Romans 2:1).

1) Christians serve in jury trials where people are convicted of felonies and they are sentenced to penalties including the death sentence. How do we judge someone according to your biblical view of what Jesus said?

I think your view is incorrect. Prove otherwise.

2) Jesus told us to look at the fruit people bear to determine whether it comes from a good tree or an evil tree. Would you care to expound on that truth?

 

[IamRedeemed]

and those that love the Lord and His good Word said

Though often quoted by gays, I don't think they really understand what these verses mean. Those of us that condemn honosexuality do not practice the same thing (ref Romans 2:1).

1) Christians serve in jury trials where people are convicted of felonies and they are sentenced to penalties including the death sentence. How do we judge someone according to your biblical view of what Jesus said?

I think your view is incorrect. Prove otherwise.

2) Jesus told us to look at the fruit people bear to determine whether it comes from a good tree or an evil tree. Would you care to expound on that truth?

 

[synger]

I just don't believe the self righteous bovine droppings that you guys spread around like so much odiferous peanut butter...

*snorts her coffee*

Best. Description. Ever.


Seriously, both sides of the argument are guilty in here of posts that reek of self-righteousness and arrogance.

And the discussions range FAR beyond "I believe this" and "I disagree, because of that". What gets reported over and over and over again is "You believe this so you are hateful." and "you believe this so you are going to hell."

Neither of those viewpoints (no matter how true you think them) is conducive to either good discussion OR the work of the Spirit to convict someone of his sinfulness.

So please, please, stick to the arguments, and don't attack one another.

 

[synger]

If I was a married prostitute and I said I am a Christian and am heaven bound, and I told you that I am not sinning, that there is nothing you can say that will convince me otherwise what would you say to me?

Truthfully? I'd tell you that God's word is crystal clear on marriage, and that you are sinning. I'd tell you that, by the grace of God, the Spirit is working in you to cleanse, guide,and sanctify you. And I'd tell you that Jesus' sacrifice broke the power of sin and death, and that that is joyous news in which to live one's life. And that because of that sacrifice, there is no need for you to be bound to your sinful life anymore.

And if you didn't listen to me? Then I'd cover you in prayer, and with God's grace I'd do my best to help you grow in other areas of your Christian walk, because it is my firm belief that the Holy Spirit will convict as He will, and that as you grow in Him in other areas of your life, He will convict you of the sinfulness of this as well.

Why do I say this?

Because that's how I've seen it work with other tightly-held sins.

Look, we're not JUST sexually sinful, or selfish, or liars, or whatever sin is our favorite. "Lust" is only one of the Seven Deadlies, after all. I think we have the propensity to all of them, to greater or lesser extent. And as the Spirit works in us on one, it MUST and WILL affect the others. The light will show the cobwebs in the corners.

Does this mean that we will "get it right" in this life? No. But sin in one's life does NOT mean that one is not Christian. Even unrepentant sin. Should we self-examine each day, and confess our sins to God? Of course. That is part of how Jesus taught us to pray, for very good reason. Does that mean that if we refuse to acknowledge our sin God will repudiate us? I don't think so.

Salvation is ours through Christ's sacrifice. We can cling to that promise even when we struggle with sin... and even when we refuse to acknowledge a sin in our lives.

 

[Uphill Battle]

Hush now you guys. You're attacking Uphill as if he was coming at you with a mallet. And more so, you're proving his opinion true. I understand that you DON'T want that to be the impression, so ACT ON IT.

shh.... don't tempt me to go Mallet shopping.

Matthew 7:3-5
And why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye when you have a log in your own? How can you think of saying to your friend, ‘Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,’ when you can’t see past the log in your own eye? Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend’s eye.



When a believer has strength and freedom in an area of his or her life, it behooves another believer to heed what he says about the subject...otherwise, be noted as a rebellious one, and unteachable.

Fess up. If you are a Lesbian, and have conquered that area of your life, fine. If not, you have no right. Has the log of homosexuality been removed from your eye? and if so, are you an appointed leader and councilor to those who have not?

So it could be anyone, even the homosexual left. What's your point?

yes. Anyone. That was the only point.

With that character, it seems to be turning out to be an UPHILL BATTLE! LOL

http://pichostonline.com/

everything is an uphill battle.

You are right. But the folks in here claim to already have been there done that. But this is one area of sin they are unwilling to yield to the Lord and are willing to kill other Christians to keep.

and like I asked earlier in this thread... what pet sins are you holding on to? we all have them. What have you not yielded? When sin festers in each of us to some degree, it is the epitome of hypocricy to attack others for sin.

If I was a married prostitute and I said I am a Christian and am heaven bound, and I told you that I am not sinning, that there is nothing you can say that will convince me otherwise what would you say to me?

If you asked my opinion? I'd give it. I wouldn't go looking for married prostitutes to give them my 2 cents on the matter though. And through it all, I'd love her just the same.

And the people that love the Lord and His good Word said

heh. It's very apparent that in your opinion only those who follow along with you and your "war" against the "hom-a-sexshuls" are the ones who love the Lord, and his word. Let me tell you, I put FAR more stock in the words he spoke regarding loving, than I do regarding anything he said about us being arbiters of others sins. (oh, look. He didn't.)

And yes, Uphill battle I am with Mercy Burst on this,

that doesn't shock me.

[quote-IaR]

1) you said gay sex is sin. Do you care to prove that with a bible? Let's see you be the guy that does it right since nobody else can.[mercyburst]

you know all the verses. I don't need to repeat them. I'm sure you have your "verses to convict the homo's" by your side whenever you post. It isn't the use of scripture to state that it is sin, that I have issue with. I think that should be clear by now.

I would like to see you put your money where your mouth is on this. Please show us how to do it right.

Love instead of hate. Mercy instead of condemnation. Recognition of your own spiritual poverty. Avoid seeking out the sin in others, and ignoring your own.

There's an infestation of lukewarmness all around, what is your point? If you can't beat 'em join 'em?

now how do you gather that? Because I don't join you on your crusade to subdue the sinful masses, I'm joining them?

The report forum is not an indication of
anything that you have surmised.

oh no? The report forum shows 2 out of every 3 reports coming from this forum. Wonder why that is?

I'm sure Phelps would be proud of some of you./quote]

And you have lumped us with PHELPS!

some of you, yes. It's not that inaccurate.

Of course we know that this is directed to everyone here who isn't
on the hippie love wagon, but fights the good fight of faith.

not hating people, or condemning them to hell is the hippie love wagon? My word.

(which btw, gays here have used that scripture to support each other in their
stance AGAINST what God has spoken! How sacriligious is that?

Very. you feel that justifies a 24 hour attack?

I never even knew who Fred Phelps was until I came here, and then I looked him up to find out because I figured if I am going to be categorized with someone I need to know who he is, and let me tell you something.

I take great offense to that. I don't know about others here, but I do not run up to homosexuals any more than I run up to the grossly obese and start yelling their sin at them, nor do I picket funerals. This is a DEBATE forum. Not a Church. It in NO WAY represents ministry in case you haven't noticed. The people here aren't looking to be ministered to in case you haven't noticed that as well.

your whole life is a ministry. Your conduct isn't exempt because you are an internet forum.

The only ministry going on here is the fighting for the truth, by deflecting the deception and error and false teaching and apostasy by shining the light in this spiritually darkened pit with the Truth from the Word of God, so that those that want to know what God says from the Bible will be able to hear the truth in here.

I think it is detestable what he (F.P.) and those like him do, and I do not believe that speaking in a forum can even remotely be compared to such. Talk about extremists.............

Good! Glad to hear it. I didn't say it applies to all. But some on this forum are on his pen pal list, make no mistake.

Jesus did not show love to those who taught falsely, and who tried to lead people astray. He condemned them.

False. He loved them just the same. Yes, he showed people there error. (and really, he was the only one truly qualified to do so.) He did NOT hate one single one of them.

Or does his stirring statement miss you? Oh, Jerusalem, how I have longed to pull you to me, like a mother hen and her chicks.... These are the same people he reproved. Do you feel that way about the gay community? Do you long to put your arms around them and comfort them? Or JUST show them how wrong they are?

The side you are defending claims in support of their coveting of their sin that Jesus ate with sinners.........

I am defending neither side. Go back and look at my OP.

And when He did REVIVALS broke out. People's hearts were changed. Tax collectors who were the hated were converted and gave back to the people and were loved. The adulteress was told GO AND SIN NO MORE. Mary Magdalene had demons cast out of her.

NO ONE remained the same when Jesus was among them, when they were teachable and had their hearts open to Him.

Jesus NEVER condoned sinners or sin. He died to pay the price for those who will turn from it.

right. And if you think railing against them will accomplish this, you have much to learn.

Are we supposed to talk about something else on the homosexual debate forum? Perhaps it should be shut down.

I rather wish it would. This forum doesn't do much to dispel the notion that unbelievers have that we are full press bigots. But it isn't what you speak of, it's the manner in which it is done.

What churches make their platform on this one subject alone, besides Phelps? Could you please be specific?

I don't have names to give you. But the war against homosexuality seems to be so very prevelant as a platform.

Is that what you do? If so, then good. Goodwill focusses on that one and only mission. Churches typically stay balanced on many issues.

Many of us debate on the other forums. We find disagreement on even the most basic tenets of the Christian faith, expecially concerning morality.

This should probably be called Corinthian Forums, because that is what it's like. The world makes a better model for morality in many cases.

For example, on another sub-forum I debated the subject of pedophile priests. I said pedophile priests do not belong in a pastorate position regardless of their denomination -- legally, they belong in jail.

This just seems like common sense to most people -- but ohh no -- that's being holier than thou according to one lad I debated. It's ok for your church to harbor felons from the law here in america whether they are serial killers, child molestors, or whatever -- yes you heard that right -- SERIAL KILLERS that have killed and they are looking for another victim -- your local church leadership is justifed to hide them from the legal authorities. It is ok for them to mix and mingle, unsupervised, in the local church congrergation. This is "biblically justified" according to the lad, and you lack faith if you don't trust a felon that says he's sorry but doesn't show it.



I've heard the same report from other sub-forums where people debate the morality of pre-marital sex . You hear all the same arguments presented here on the gay forum, with people defending fornication with a passion.

So in summary, CF is like a microcosm of the church body, and it reads like a harlot. God said He will judge sin STARTING with the church. I dread the day, but it's going to happen. People I love and care about could be caught in that judgment, and that is why I warn them.

I'm not so sure it could be accurately called a warning, what you do.

It's more like a campaign.

 

[Uphill Battle]

*snorts her coffee*

Best. Description. Ever.

well, I'm not aloud to say $^#*^$#@#.

Seriously, both sides of the argument are guilty in here of posts that reek of self-righteousness and arrogance.

And the discussions range FAR beyond "I believe this" and "I disagree, because of that". What gets reported over and over and over again is "You believe this so you are hateful." and "you believe this so you are going to hell."

Neither of those viewpoints (no matter how true you think them) is conducive to either good discussion OR the work of the Spirit to convict someone of his sinfulness.

So please, please, stick to the arguments, and don't attack one another.

you managed to say it far more succinctly than I did.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Then you would be doing and saying what we have done and said and you would be labeled a "hater" just as we have.

Truthfully? I'd tell you that God's word is crystal clear on marriage, and that you are sinning. I'd tell you that, by the grace of God, the Spirit is working in you to cleanse, guide,and sanctify you. And I'd tell you that Jesus' sacrifice broke the power of sin and death, and that that is joyous news in which to live one's life. And that because of that sacrifice, there is no need for you to be bound to your sinful life anymore.

And if you didn't listen to me? Then I'd cover you in prayer, and with God's grace I'd do my best to help you grow in other areas of your Christian walk, because it is my firm belief that the Holy Spirit will convict as He will, and that as you grow in Him in other areas of your life, He will convict you of the sinfulness of this as well.

Why do I say this?

Because that's how I've seen it work with other tightly-held sins.

Look, we're not JUST sexually sinful, or selfish, or liars, or whatever sin is our favorite. "Lust" is only one of the Seven Deadlies, after all. I think we have the propensity to all of them, to greater or lesser extent. And as the Spirit works in us on one, it MUST and WILL affect the others. The light will show the cobwebs in the corners.

Does this mean that we will "get it right" in this life? No. But sin in one's life does NOT mean that one is not Christian. Even unrepentant sin. Should we self-examine each day, and confess our sins to God? Of course. That is part of how Jesus taught us to pray, for very good reason. Does that mean that if we refuse to acknowledge our sin God will repudiate us? I don't think so.

Salvation is ours through Christ's sacrifice. We can cling to that promise even when we struggle with sin... and even when we refuse to acknowledge a sin in our lives.

 

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[IamRedeemed]

and like I asked earlier in this thread... what pet sins are you holding on to? we all have them. What have you not yielded?

There is no sin in my life that I have not yielded.
I have no "pet sins". And no, that doesn't mean I am without sin, it only means I have no sin that I want to keep and have coveted and choose to keep and practice. I am completely in agreement with God's Word and want His highest and best in my life and am clay in the potter's hand to do with as He wishes to make me more suitable for His purpose. I am not in any forums fighting for my sin and railing against Christians changing God's Word to make myself feel better in my attempt to justify it.

If you asked my opinion? I'd give it. I wouldn't go looking for married prostitutes to give them my 2 cents on the matter though. And through it all, I'd love her just the same.

And as I said in another post, in fact the one you are replying to here:
"I don't know about others here, but I do not run up to homosexuals any more than I run up to the grossly obese and start yelling their sin at them, nor do I picket funerals. This is a DEBATE forum. Not a Church. It in NO WAY represents ministry in case you haven't noticed. The people here aren't looking to be ministered to in case you haven't noticed that as well. If you are in here and you are posting then you are asking for my input.

The only ministry going on here is the fighting for the truth, by deflecting the deception and error and false teaching and apostasy by shining the light in this spiritually darkened pit with the Truth from the Word of God, so that those that want to know what God says from the Bible will be able to hear the truth in here."

heh. It's very apparent that in your opinion only those who follow along with you and your "war" against the "hom-a-sexshuls" are the ones who love the Lord, and his word. Let me tell you, I put FAR more stock in the words he spoke regarding loving, than I do regarding anything he said about us being arbiters of others sins. (oh, look. He didn't.)

I am not an arbiter of others sins. This WAS a Christian Only forum area, where there existed a DEBATE about homosexuality. Which the Bible makes clear is not an acceptable way of life in God's eyes and is sin.

that doesn't shock me.

[quote-IaR]
you know all the verses. I don't need to repeat them. I'm sure you have your "verses to convict the homo's" by your side whenever you post. It isn't the use of scripture to state that it is sin, that I have issue with. I think that should be clear by now.

I am a licensed minister. I know the Bible very well. I do not have a hatehomo template and I think you are very pretentious. And I would consider this an inflammatory comment.

Love instead of hate. Mercy instead of condemnation. Recognition of your own spiritual poverty. Avoid seeking out the sin in others, and ignoring your own.

They don't want God's love. They want the world's love. They aren't asking for mercy. Don't you get it?


now how do you gather that? Because I don't join you on your crusade to subdue the sinful masses, I'm joining them?

oh no? The report forum shows 2 out of every 3 reports coming from this forum. Wonder why that is?

There is a good reason, but it isn't the reason you think it is. And if I tell the truth about what it is in detail, I will be violating TOS because the 1st ammendment right of the US is not legal here at CF so, I am not at liberty to explain it to you.

some of you, yes. It's not that inaccurate.[/color][/size][/font]

Comparing us to Phelps without any evidence is not only inaccurate but it is also slanderous.

not hating people, or condemning them to hell is the hippie love wagon? My word.

No, telling the truth and quoting Scripture that clearly demonstrates that truth, in answer to false teaching and lies of the enemy is "hating".

The hippie love wagon is when you are withholding the truth from your own "fear of man" and wanting the world to love you more than your desire for God's approval and in turn loving people to the Second DEATH with the world's concept of love. Free love man, don't you know? Free love, there's no sin, everything is legal man.....cool dude, alright.....

Very. you feel that justifies a 24 hour attack?

Don't know what you are referring to here.

your whole life is a ministry. Your conduct isn't exempt because you are an internet forum.

Yes it is, and I am not guilty of most of the accusations of misconduct you are making.

Good! Glad to hear it. I didn't say it applies to all. But some on this forum are on his pen pal list, make no mistake.

False. He loved them just the same. Yes, he showed people there error. (and really, he was the only one truly qualified to do so.) He did NOT hate one single one of them.[/color][/font][/size]

Oh really? I don't recall it happening in the way you are describing it. Which I will show you in a moment, but first hear the words of his forerunner, John the Baptist...

"But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance"
Matthew 3:6-8

Jesus also called the stiff necked rebellious Jews who had "a religion", vipers. Jesus said, "My sheep know my voice and they follow me."

Not "my sheep go to church and call themselves Christians."

My plight is against all of the lukewarm in the body of Christ, and all of the false teachers regardless of the topic. The way to Heaven is a narrow gate, the path of destruction is wide. You and others like you are
enabling people to deceive themselves that they will see Heaven walking the wide path.

You think I hate homosexuals because this is the area I am currently working on in THIS forum. Very narrow ruler you have there, which comes from your limited view of what I do. Your fault isn't in that it is what you see, it is in assuming it is my limited work site.

I am an evangelist. That is what I do, I preach the Word and people who hear it change by the power of the Holy Spirit. Those that won't hear do not change. I fight lies with truth, as a child of God, it is my duty to bring the light into dark areas within the body of Christ. I am not at a homosexual site. I am on a "Christian forum" in what used to be designated as a "Christian only" area. So, you are attempting to turn an apple into an orange.

No one here is trying to keep anyone to a Sabbath day NOR are they trying to keep anyone from getting healed on a particular day or anything like that. Making profane the Cross of Christ is a completely different scenario and something ALL Christians should be fighting against.

Jesus said, "For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."

Not he who goes to church and says a sinners prayer.

and here are the lovable words of correction Jesus spoke that are completely applicable here, because this is exactly what is occurring in here.

"Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:"
Matthew 23:32-34

 

[ReformedChapin]

In my experience, it is the unrepentent sinners who would come to church in the first place. In ours, we have a meeting on Sunday evenings where they are most welcome. At that meeting, we preach the gospel in an attempt to show them the error of their ways. We do not expect them to come in repentant. They probably wouldn't know the meaning of the word repentant.

Why would you not allow an unrepentant sinner to enter into your chuch building? How are you able to show them the love of God (ie, He sent His Son to die on the cross that we might live) if they are unwelcome.

Let's be reasonable, what I ment in my statement is that if someone is unrepentat and are purposefully sinning inside the church kick them out. If you have sinners that are respecting church guidelines by all means they can be in there. The whole let them in the church isn't working, because it's affecting the integraty of the Gosple. That's why so many churches have gone liberal, especially mainstream churches.

 

[calvins96]

Seriously.


have any of you glanced in the theology reports section lately? Do you know where all the reports are coming from? You guessed it, THIS subforum.

Pardon me for saying so, but I see ALOT of people trying to remove specks out of others eyes right now in this forum, all the while smashing the other person in the face with the beam potruding from their own.

To the crusaders against homosexuality:

Exactly WHY is it you feel the need to harp on this one topic? Why is it thread after thread is started, or detracts into a flame war, because of the vast difference in opinion?

let me make something very clear, I myself personally believe that homosexual sex is sinful as dictated by the bible. However, I have NO idea how beating others with your "holy stick" is serving any real purpose. Nor do I believe that it is any more grave a sin than being a spiteful, hateful jerk!

the accusation is against you that you are hateful, and in some instances that could be warrented. I have seen some incredebly hateful posts from our supposedly "showing the truth" while ignoring the truth of God... Love others (including homosexuals) as you love yourself. Yes, yes, I know the apologetic... it isn't hateful to show someone the errors of there ways.

show me ONE instance where Christ said anything regarding homosexuality? no, that doesn't make it right, but it also showed his lack of prioritizing when it came to sin. Being bitter and spiteful is every bit as much a sin. And to think so many churches out there make their platform on this one issue along. How about focussing on something like, the poor? the needy?

I'm sure Phelps would be proud of some of you.

to the Homosexuals, and to those who support them:


Yes, you have been hated, and subjected to hateful speech.

however, I may point out that what is good for the goose, is good for the gander. I see baiting, and hatefulness from your camp as well. Fundamentalists (which, I might add, is a misrepresented word in the first place, it should read extremists, if you are going to label people) are derided as strongly as over-zealous people deride homosexuals. You have the gall to call everyone who takes the bible for what it says as deluded. There are so very many of us who believe what the word says without having to find a different interpretation for it (and yes, I COULD BE WRONG, but I've seen no strong evidence to believe so) that you have arbitrarily lumped in with Freddy P. and his ilk, because we have the "indecency" of disagreeing with you. I've seen the accussation over and over and over again that they show no love, however, I don't see much going the other way.

Now I'm sure I've sufficiently [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed off both sides of the fence, and I will shortly be getting an earful.

perhaps that is a good thing, it will stop (or slow down) the lot of you poking each other with your sabres for a few minutes.

seriously, GROW UP.

Doesn't matter which side you're on! You hit the nail on the head. I'm as guilty as the next with some strong posts, but (not making excuses) they were responses vs initiating. As for your comment on Fundies vs Extremists..absolutely, and I too pointed that out. You can be a very liberal christian and believe in the fundamentals of christianity. The term, however, has been taken over and blended with extremists. So in the REAL technical definition of a fundamentalist...I'm ok with them. I agree with some of it..not all of it. that's all fine and good. However, EXTREMISM is represented twofold on this, and when they spew, human nature kicks in for me and I have to bite back. I even put out a thread for us to come together and get past all of it..but as expected, the extremists once again took that form, and were the first ones to start spewing over and over again until I just had the entire thread removed.
What I seriously don't get are those individuals, extreme as they are, and their constant visiting of boards they hate? Not only visiting them, but ALL...DAY...LONG! Some post 3AM others posting 1AM so first thing in the morning. It's almost like they thrive on the taste of blood. Go in for the attack and keep at it. For me..I have absolutely no interest in going to a fundie board and shouting them down. Why? It's their belief. It's not going to change. I'll respect it..just because I want to be respected. But there are those few that push all decency aside, and regardless of how they come across, they will cover their wickedness with "word of god" and think they are something supreme and chosen and sacred...They are not simply because in their attempt to brainwash here..they become so obsessed and over the top, they don't realize they have become irrational banchies.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Doesn't matter which side you're on! You hit the nail on the head. I'm as guilty as the next with some strong posts, but (not making excuses) they were responses vs initiating. As for your comment on Fundies vs Extremists..absolutely, and I too pointed that out. You can be a very liberal christian and believe in the fundamentals of christianity. The term, however, has been taken over and blended with extremists. So in the REAL technical definition of a fundamentalist...I'm ok with them. I agree with some of it..not all of it. that's all fine and good. However, EXTREMISM is represented twofold on this, and when they spew, human nature kicks in for me and I have to bite back. I even put out a thread for us to come together and get past all of it..but as expected, the extremists once again took that form, and were the first ones to start spewing over and over again until I just had the entire thread removed.
What I seriously don't get are those individuals, extreme as they are, and their constant visiting of boards they hate? Not only visiting them, but ALL...DAY...LONG! Some post 3AM others posting 1AM so first thing in the morning. It's almost like they thrive on the taste of blood. Go in for the attack and keep at it. For me..I have absolutely no interest in going to a fundie board and shouting them down. Why? It's their belief. It's not going to change. I'll respect it..just because I want to be respected. But there are those few that push all decency aside, and regardless of how they come across, they will cover their wickedness with "word of god" and think they are something supreme and chosen and sacred...They are not simply because in their attempt to brainwash here..they become so obsessed and over the top, they don't realize they have become irrational banchies.

I have yet to see these extremist here. The only extremist Christians I know are KKK members which I only hear about in TV. The wave of postmodernism has killed any insentive "to be extreme."

 

[brightmorningstar]

I agree, many liberal beliefs seem to be fundamentally non-Christian to me, so much so that I dont think liberal Christianity is Christian.

 

[MercyBurst]

heh. It's very apparent that in your opinion only those who follow along with you and your "war" against the "hom-a-sexshuls" are the ones who love the Lord, and his word. Let me tell you, I put FAR more stock in the words he spoke regarding loving, than I do regarding anything he said about us being arbiters of others sins. (oh, look. He didn't.)

So "loving" is "sinning that grace may more abound." That's what your argument becomes whether it's gay sex, abortion, pedophile priests or whatever. You can say the same for all of them.

 

[MercyBurst]

I rather wish it would. This forum doesn't do much to dispel the notion that unbelievers have that we are full press bigots. But it isn't what you speak of, it's the manner in which it is done.

As suggested before, let's please see you prove biblically that homosexuality is indeed a sin according to the bible. To show you are indeed sincere, and not a hypocrite, I suggest you start the thread right here on the this forum, and convince all gays that gay sex is sinful. We are all ears -- please get started. Otherwise you come across as an armchair coach and a hypocrite.

I don't have names to give you. But the war against homosexuality seems to be so very prevelant as a platform.

Apparantly you didn't get it about the church split. Have you read the news lately about the Episcopals, American Baptists, Church of Christ, Presbyterian Church, and Lutheran church. Their memebrships are falling drastically over this issue and all the others in liberal christianity.

I'm not so sure it could be accurately called a warning, what you do.

It's more like a campaign.

Those in my life I care about are warned about church apostacy. I've not personally met anyone on this forum -- hence it probably is a campaign to them.

 

[UberLutheran]

(posted in the wrong spot -- sorry!)