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No, I am NOT suggesting that God's morality exists independent of Him
What I am saying is that God's morality, having been filtered through His thoughts and feelings, comes from Him and is, by definition, subjective
If God's morality were objective - as you suggest that it is - then this means that it was not filtered through His thoughts and feelings and, therefore, does not come from Him, but is rather an outside definition to which He subscribes
Would it be more palatable for you for me to say, "Morality is objective, as far as it applies to creatures."?
But here and below, you are denying the very essence of what it means to be God. God doesn't process thoughts the way we do; he doesn't weigh the value of one action or decision against another. That is already a given, to the omniscient and perfect. Consider the notion that, for God, to think is to decide is to do. Some say that God's attributes are indistinguishable from himself, and others even say he IS his attributes. There is a certain validity to that idea; he cannot behave differently from his attributes.
Whether you think his morality comes from outside himself or not, you still think that way, if you think his decisions are filtered before acted on, or that he must consider whether a thing is good, before doing what is simply his nature to do. It is a moot question whether morality is subjective or objective as God considers it. He needn't consider at all. It doesn't filter through him, because it is what he does. It proceeds from him to us --it is not OURS. Objective.
And just because morality is subjective, this does NOT mean that there are no universally recognized moral values
I can sum up my moral code quite distinctly:
To consciously and purposefully inflict needless harm is immoral
All else is either moral or morally acceptable
And here's the kicker:
I share my moral code with most every human being on earth
Yourself included, I'm sure
The fact your morality (some of it, any way) seems more or less universal should tell you something about whether it is subjective or objective.
God, as described in scripture, oftentimes consciously and purposefully inflicts needless harm upon His creation {us}
You said earlier that God is fundamentally better than His creatures {us}
How do reconcile this assertion with God consciously and purposefully inflicting needless harm?
Where do you get the idea it is needless? Who --or what-- do you think God is? This life is not for this life. That should be self-evident, if God exists.
"These things must come, but woe to the one through whom they come."
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