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[yeshuasavedme]

You have made many accusations and assumptions on this matter, ignoring what I posted from Scripture.
Jesus, in the original as the angel gave it to Joseph, is not "YHWH is Salvation", but is "Salvation". The Hebrew word is Hoshea [transliterated to English]. did you know that translators are not inspired and that sometimes. not understanding the context of meaning in a Hebrew word, they make errors which can be proven errors by simple basic Hebrew instruction.

Hosea/Jesus, It is the same name that Joshua of the OT had given to him by His father. It was Moses who changed it to "God is salvation", and it is error to claim that Jesus means "God is salvation", for the name itself means Salvation.
I posted the verses about that several times. It is "Hoshea". It means "Salvation".

Look at the context of the giving of the name:

And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Hoshea is a proper noun, in Hebrew, and Jesus came as a Jew, not as a Greek with a transliterated to English from Greek to Latin, wrongly interpretated name; and the angel said call His name Salvation, for He shall save.... He is "Salvation" Himself , who saves, and He is come in flesh, bringing salvation/yesha and therefore is our salvation/yeshua.

It is He, Jesus, who shall save. It is His name which is Salvation/Hoshea.
"He shall save...", said the angel, so His name is to be called "Salvation". "He shall save" means "Jesus is Salvation".

 

[jpr7]

You have made many accusations and assumptions on this matter, ignoring what I posted from Scripture.
Jesus, in the original as the angel gave it to Joseph, is not "YHWH is Salvation", but is "Salvation". The Hebrew word is Hoshea [transliterated to English]. did you know that translators are not inspired and that sometimes. not understanding the context of meaning in a Hebrew word, they make errors which can be proven errors by simple basic Hebrew instruction.

Hosea/Jesus, It is the same name that Joshua of the OT had given to him by His father. It was Moses who changed it to "God is salvation", and it is error to claim that Jesus means "God is salvation", for the name itself means Salvation.
I posted the verses about that several times. It is "Hoshea". It means "Salvation".

Look at the context of the giving of the name:

And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Hoshea is a proper noun, in Hebrew, and Jesus came as a Jew, not as a Greek with a transliterated to English from Greek to Latin, wrongly interpretated name; and the angel said call His name Salvation, for He shall save.... He is "Salvation" Himself , who saves, and He is come in flesh, bringing salvation/yesha and therefore is our salvation/yeshua.

It is He, Jesus, who shall save. It is His name which is Salvation/Hoshea.
"He shall save...", said the angel, so His name is to be called "Salvation". "He shall save" means "Jesus is Salvation".

yeshuasavedme, I can tell you only want to have a monologue (which means you are the only one talking) and you want to pontificate (in other words, say things as though they are true without ever demonstrating what you are saying is true - and all that despite someone else showing you stand in complete contradiction the the Bible). Like I said before, Jesus is not Hoshea, it is Jesus. Hoshea and Jesus are different words with different meanings. If it really were Hoshea, then you would find Jesus in the English Bible being called "Osea" or "Hoshea" but you don't. You find Jesus being called "Jesus" which really and truly means "YHWH is salvation."

You claim that you've "posted from Scripture." No, what you're doing is you're saying that Scripture doesn't say what it says - that is, the name Jesus doesn't really say Jesus but it says something else. If you are going to justify this change to Scripture you need to prove it instead of only saying and saying and saying it. I've analyzed your "helps" and given you sources that prove you are truly wrong. In fact, everything I've taken has been from Scripture, so I am not the one ignoring posts from Scripture - it is you. But again, you continue to want to monologue about the name Jesus not really being the name Jesus but being the name Hoshea (which incidentally means you have put virtually all translators in the category of wrong). You can continue this monologue without my help. But if you ever truly respond to anything I've written, point by point, and prove what you're saying, then we can have a conversation. Until then, God bless.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I found a Hebrew New Testament from Hebrew New Testament. I'm looking at Matthew 1:21 (from the Matthew PDF, second page, 4th line down, after what looks like a colon) and the part under discussion transliterates as: veqara'ta [and you will call] eth-shemo [his name] YESHUA' [JESUS] ci' [for] hu' [he] yoshiya' [will save] eth-'amo [his people] mechatto'tayhem [from their sins].

The Hebrew NT is a modern Hebrew translation of Scriptures written in Greek. The word "YESHUA" is a verb, in Hebrew, and the word "Hoshea" is the noun. The actual name of the Messiah is the noun, Hoshea, and not the verb, Yeshua, but as long as one knows Who He is, and Why He came, and how they must respond to Him, then they need not worry about the correct spellings and grammer.

The point is that the name does not mean "YHWH shall save", but it means "Salvation", for He [Jesus the Christ] shall save.
Yes, He is YHWH come in flesh, but He is the Person of the Word, in YHWH, and being "come" [present tense, as John says] in flesh of second creation, He is the Son of God, and it is He who saves and brings the redeemed to the Glory, from whom they are separated in spiritual death, in Adam.

 

[Der Alte]

yeshuasavedme, I can tell you only want to have a monologue (which means you are the only one talking) and you want to pontificate (in other words, say things as though they are true without ever demonstrating what you are saying is true - and all that despite someone else showing you stand in complete contradiction the the Bible). Like I said before, Jesus is not Hoshea, it is Jesus. Hoshea and Jesus are different words with different meanings. If it really were Hoshea, then you would find Jesus in the English Bible being called "Osea" or "Hoshea" but you don't. You find Jesus being called "Jesus" which really and truly means "YHWH is salvation."

You claim that you've "posted from Scripture." No, what you're doing is you're saying that Scripture doesn't say what it says - that is, the name Jesus doesn't really say Jesus but it says something else. If you are going to justify this change to Scripture you need to prove it instead of only saying and saying and saying it. I've analyzed your "helps" and given you sources that prove you are truly wrong. In fact, everything I've taken has been from Scripture, so I am not the one ignoring posts from Scripture - it is you. But again, you continue to want to monologue about the name Jesus not really being the name Jesus but being the name Hoshea (which incidentally means you have put virtually all translators in the category of wrong). You can continue this monologue without my help. But if you ever truly respond to anything I've written, point by point, and prove what you're saying, then we can have a conversation. Until then, God bless.

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הוֹשׁוּעַ, יְהוֹשֻׁעַ S3091 GK3397, and (later יֵשׁוּעַ S3442, 3443 GK3800, 3801, n.pr.m. (& loc., v. 9 infr.) (י׳ is salvation, or י׳ is opulence, cf. אֱלִישָׁע, אֱלִישׁוּעַ, אֲבִישׁוּעַ, & NesSK 1892, 573 f.; in any case it came to be associated with ישׁע, cf. Mat 1:21; on יֵשׁוּעַ v. especially FräVOJ iv, 1890, 332 f. MüllSK 1892, 177 f. who cite analog. for change of וֹ to later—ֵ, & Nesl.c.)— 1. Moses’ successor, son of Nun, (G Ἰησοῦς) יְהוֹשׁוּעַ Dt 3:21 Ju 2:7; = יְהוֹשֻׁעַ Ex 17:9, 10, 13, 14; 24:13; 32:17; 33:11 Nu 11:28; 13:16; 14:6, 30, 38; 26:65; 27:18, 22; 32:12, 28; 34:17 Dt 1:38; 3:28; 31:3, 7, 14(×2), 23; 34:9 Jos 1:1 + 167 times Jos; Ju 1:1; 2:6, 7, 8, 21, 23 1 K 16:34 1 Ch 7:27; = יֵשׁוּעַ Ne 8:17 (G Ἰησοῦς according to P, name changed by Moses from הוֹשֵׁעַ q.v. Nu 13:8, 16 (G Αὑσ&#951 Dt 32:44 (G Ἰησοῦ&#962. † 2. יְהוֹשֻׁעַ a Bethshemite 1 S 6:14, 18 (G Ὡσηε, A Ἰησοῦς, GL Ἰωσηε). † 3. h.p. after the restoration, son of Jehozadak יְהוֹשֻׁעַ (G Ἰησοῦς) Hg 1:1, 12, 14; 2:2, 4 Zc 3:1, 3, 6, 8, 9; 6:11; = יֵשׁוּעַ (G Ἰησοῦς) Ezr 2:2; 3:2, 8; 4:3; 5:2; 10:18 Ne 7:7; 12:1, 7, 10, 26. † 4. יְהוֹשֻׁעַ governor of Jerusalem under Josiah 2 K 23:8 (G Ἰησοῦς, GL Ἰωσηε). † 5. יֵשׁוּעַ (G Ἰησοῦς) head of one of the classes of priests 1 Ch 24:11, possibly also Ezr 2:36 = Ne 7:39. † 6. יֵשׁוּעַ (G Ἰησοῦς, etc.), a Levitical family-name of frequent occurrence: a. Ezr 2:40; 3:9 = Ne 7:43; 8:7; 9:4, 5; 10:10; 12:8. b. 2 Ch 31:15 Ezr 8:33 Ne 12:24. † 7. יֵשׁוּעַ (G id.), father of a builder at the wall Ne 3:19, perhaps = † 8. a Judaite family-name (G id.), Ezr 2:6 = Ne 7:11 (cf. SmListen 12). † 9. n.pr.loc. in south of Judah Ne 11:26 בְּיֵשׁוּעַ (G ἐν Ἰησού, GL ἐν Σουα).

Brown, Francis ; Driver, Samuel Rolles ; Briggs, Charles Augustus: Enhanced Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon. electronic ed. Oak Harbor, WA : Logos Research Systems, 2000, S. 221​

 

[jpr7]

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הוֹשׁוּעַ, יְהוֹשֻׁעַ S3091 GK3397, and (later יֵשׁוּעַ S3442, 3443 GK3800, 3801, n.pr.m. (& loc., v. 9 infr.) (י׳ is salvation, or י׳ is opulence, cf. אֱלִישָׁע, אֱלִישׁוּעַ, אֲבִישׁוּעַ, & NesSK 1892, 573 f.; in any case it came to be associated with ישׁע, cf. Mat 1:21; on יֵשׁוּעַ v. especially FräVOJ iv, 1890, 332 f. MüllSK 1892, 177 f. who cite analog. for change of וֹ to later—ֵ, & Nesl.c.)— 1. Moses’ successor, son of Nun, (G Ἰησοῦς) יְהוֹשׁוּעַ Dt 3:21 Ju 2:7; = יְהוֹשֻׁעַ Ex 17:9, 10, 13, 14; 24:13; 32:17; 33:11 Nu 11:28; 13:16; 14:6, 30, 38; 26:65; 27:18, 22; 32:12, 28; 34:17 Dt 1:38; 3:28; 31:3, 7, 14(×2), 23; 34:9 Jos 1:1 + 167 times Jos; Ju 1:1; 2:6, 7, 8, 21, 23 1 K 16:34 1 Ch 7:27; = יֵשׁוּעַ Ne 8:17 (G Ἰησοῦς according to P, name changed by Moses from הוֹשֵׁעַ q.v. Nu 13:8, 16 (G Αὑσ&#951 Dt 32:44 (G Ἰησοῦ&#962. † 2. יְהוֹשֻׁעַ a Bethshemite 1 S 6:14, 18 (G Ὡσηε, A Ἰησοῦς, GL Ἰωσηε). † 3. h.p. after the restoration, son of Jehozadak יְהוֹשֻׁעַ (G Ἰησοῦς) Hg 1:1, 12, 14; 2:2, 4 Zc 3:1, 3, 6, 8, 9; 6:11; = יֵשׁוּעַ (G Ἰησοῦς) Ezr 2:2; 3:2, 8; 4:3; 5:2; 10:18 Ne 7:7; 12:1, 7, 10, 26. † 4. יְהוֹשֻׁעַ governor of Jerusalem under Josiah 2 K 23:8 (G Ἰησοῦς, GL Ἰωσηε). † 5. יֵשׁוּעַ (G Ἰησοῦς) head of one of the classes of priests 1 Ch 24:11, possibly also Ezr 2:36 = Ne 7:39. † 6. יֵשׁוּעַ (G Ἰησοῦς, etc.), a Levitical family-name of frequent occurrence: a. Ezr 2:40; 3:9 = Ne 7:43; 8:7; 9:4, 5; 10:10; 12:8. b. 2 Ch 31:15 Ezr 8:33 Ne 12:24. † 7. יֵשׁוּעַ (G id.), father of a builder at the wall Ne 3:19, perhaps = † 8. a Judaite family-name (G id.), Ezr 2:6 = Ne 7:11 (cf. SmListen 12). † 9. n.pr.loc. in south of Judah Ne 11:26 בְּיֵשׁוּעַ (G ἐν Ἰησού, GL ἐν Σουα).

Brown, Francis ; Driver, Samuel Rolles ; Briggs, Charles Augustus: Enhanced Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon. electronic ed. Oak Harbor, WA : Logos Research Systems, 2000, S. 221​

Der Alter, I honestly don't know your point here. You put something in red and bold so I guess that's what you're getting at. That tells us what Yehoshua (Jesus) means: those first two characters that look like a slanted apostrophe and a vertical apostrophe didn't turn out too well here but that is what you call the abbreviation of the divine name (YHWH). In other words, what Brown, Driver, and Briggs is tell us is that Yehoshua (Jesus) means "YHWH is salvation or YHWH is opulence."

 

[steve4.truth]

Yes
At some point they stopped pronouncing it so as to avoid any possibility of taking it in vain.
I have no idea what you mean by "use the name."
Again, not sure what you mean by "using the name." I doubt there is any "danger" in not using it. But anytime someone says "Jesus" (referring to the Son of God), the name is somehow "used" because "Jesus" literally means "YHWH [is] salvation [or savior]."

sorry to be MIA so long. By "use the name", I mean that we pronounce it in addressing God in prayer or talking to other people about Him. "God" is not His name. There are many Gods (2 cor. 4:4). He can be properly addressed as "God" just like I could address my father as "Dad". But there are many "Dads" in the world and using his name shows personal interest. Jehovah asked us to "call upon" His name and all the Bible writers pronounced it as recorded in their prophecies. The Psalms were a collection of songs that were sung out loud. Notice how many times the Jews would have pronounced the name as they sang those psalms. The Jews pronounced that name in writing the Hebrew scriptures almost 7000 times. That is more than "God" and "Lord" put together. Any basic concordance will prove this. Since "all scripture is inspired by God", this is a strong indication that Jehovah enjoys us using His name often in our conversations with others and Himself. As a loving and forgiving Person, I'm sure He will be lenient toward many who are not aware of that name or its importance. But those who purposely hide the name even when made aware seem to have an agenda against the name. How does God feel about that?

 

[Der Alte]

Der Alter, I honestly don't know your point here. You put something in red and bold so I guess that's what you're getting at. That tells us what Yehoshua (Jesus) means: those first two characters that look like a slanted apostrophe and a vertical apostrophe didn't turn out too well here but that is what you call the abbreviation of the divine name (YHWH). In other words, what Brown, Driver, and Briggs is tell us is that Yehoshua (Jesus) means "YHWH is salvation or YHWH is opulence."

I was adding the definition from BDB to support your argument. The two characters are an apostrophe and the Hebrew letter "yod," an abbrevation, the first letter of יְהוֹשֻׁעַ/yeshua so the writers did not have to write it out each time. You are correct the meaning of Yeshua, and its transliterations, Iesous, and Jesus, is "YHWH is salvation."

If you are interested BDB is available as a free download in Adobe PDF format.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Since the Jews in Jerusalem spoke Hebrew [Acts 21:37-40], and not modern Hebrew with the modern Hebrew aleph-bet; and since the prophet Hosea is a type and shadow of YHWH come in flesh, of second human being creation [and therefore as the second human being created firstborn "Ish/man" for to rule earth [Isaiah 59]; and as "Hosea" is the proper noun for "Salvation", in Hebrew, and as Hoshea was the given name of Joshua; then I believe that the case is strongest for the angel saying to Joseph in Hebrew -what would translate to English as; "Call His name Salvation, for He shall save"...

Who shall save? -Salvation Himself shall save!
Who is Salvation Himself? -YHWH, in the second Person, come in second creation human being flesh, as second created human being "Ish". This is the message of the book of Hosea, and the message of Isaiah 49, and the message of Isaiah 59, and the message of Psalm 118 -and so on.

Salvation is come, and His name is the proper name, Hoshea, but we call Him "Jesus", in English.
He is also "Yesha", in the OT, our Salvation, and He also is become "My Yeshua" by being my God, "bound to the horns of the altar of sacrifice", so as to be my "Gate" into the City of Righteousness, in heaven. -That is the message of Psalm 118.


Isa 62:11 Behold, the LORD/YHWH hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy Yesha cometh; behold, his reward [is] with him, and his work before him.

Psa 118:14 The LORD/YHWH [is] my strength and song, and is become my salvation/Yeshua.

By becoming My Yeshua, He first came, named Salvation, and came bringing salvation to me.

 

[jpr7]

I was adding the definition from BDB to support your argument. The two characters are an apostrophe and the Hebrew letter "yod," an abbrevation, the first letter of יְהוֹשֻׁעַ/yeshua so the writers did not have to write it out each time. You are correct the meaning of Yeshua, and its transliterations, Iesous, and Jesus, is "YHWH is salvation."

If you are interested BDB is available as a free download in Adobe PDF format.

Glad we are clear on that. I was very much hoping you weren't going to start monologuing on me. Do you have any links for the BDB PDF?

 

[jpr7]

The Hebrew NT is a modern Hebrew translation of Scriptures written in Greek. The word "YESHUA" is a verb, in Hebrew, and the word "Hoshea" is the noun.

I am glad that you aren't monologuing again and I want to thank you for that. Now I see somewhat what you're getting at with "Hoshea." However, you are still incorrect. The word "Yeshua" is not a verb but consists of two nouns: YHWH and yasha. These two nouns together make a complete sentence but the noun itself is not a verb. In fact, many names in the Bible make complete sentences: for example, Abimelech means "my father is king."

The actual name of the Messiah is the noun, Hoshea, and not the verb, Yeshua, but as long as one knows Who He is, and Why He came, and how they must respond to Him, then they need not worry about the correct spellings and grammer.

If what you said in the first part of your response was correct, then you would be correct here - but you are not correct here. "Yeshua" is a noun. And people must know the Messiah's name is Jesus because it identifies who saves, as you mention below.

The point is that the name does not mean "YHWH shall save", but it means "Salvation", for He [Jesus the Christ] shall save.
Yes, He is YHWH come in flesh, but He is the Person of the Word, in YHWH, and being "come" [present tense, as John says] in flesh of second creation, He is the Son of God, and it is He who saves and brings the redeemed to the Glory, from whom they are separated in spiritual death, in Adam.

Yes, "Hoshea" does not mean "YHWH shall save" but the name "Jesus" does. The reason the Messiah is called Jesus is for the same reason you listed here: "He is YHWH come in flesh" and it is YHWH come in the flesh who shall save. The easiest way to express this is through the name Jesus. You don't find the name "Hoshea" anywhere as the Messiah's name.

 

[Der Alte]

Since the Jews in Jerusalem spoke Hebrew [Acts 21:37-40], and not modern Hebrew with the modern Hebrew aleph-bet; and since the prophet Hosea is a type and shadow of YHWH come in flesh, of second human being creation [and therefore as the second human being created firstborn "Ish" earth]; and as "Hosea" is the proper noun for "Salvation", in Hebrew, and as Hoshea was the given name of Joshua; then I believe that the case is strongest for the angel saying to Joseph in Hebrew -what would translate to English as; "Call His name Salvation, for He shall save"...

Since Brown, Driver Briggs, is a Hebrew lexicon documenting the Hebrew scriptures from before the time of the prophets and since you have not presented any evidence for any of your claims, according to the scholarly evidence the savior's name was יְהוֹשֻׁעַ/Yehoshua or יֵשׁוּעַ/Yeshua which means YHWH is a salvation.

Link for BDB Internet Archive: Free Download: A Hebrew and English lexicon of the Old Testament : with an appendix containing the biblical Aramaic

 

[steve4.truth]

If YHWH is Jesus, why did Jesus say to His Father, "“I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them." Jn. 17:26
and
Mat 6:9 "This, then, is how you should pray: " 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,
Such an argument just explains away God's name!

 

[yeshuasavedme]

If YHWH is Jesus, why did Jesus say to His Father, "“I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them." Jn. 17:26
and
Mat 6:9 "This, then, is how you should pray: " 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,
Such an argument just explains away God's name!

YHWH is the Living Spirit. The word YHWH means "LIFE/BREATH", and in the One YHWH there are three Persons, as seen in Scripture. The Person called the Word has a "Branch" extended and rooted in human flesh of the second creation. That Branch is dual in nature, in that He is all that YHWH is, and is the only Person in YHWH whom any created being has ever, or shall ever see, and He is fully human being.
So yes; Jesus is YHWH, but He is not the Father and He is not the third Person called the Holy Spirit.

Do you know the name of the Father? Do you know the name of the Son?
Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what [is] hisname, and what [is] his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Since Brown, Driver Briggs, is a Hebrew lexicon documenting the Hebrew scriptures from before the time of the prophets and since you have not presented any evidence for any of your claims, according to the scholarly evidence the savior's name was יְהוֹשֻׁעַ/Yehoshua or יֵשׁוּעַ/Yeshua which means YHWH is a salvation.

Link for BDB Internet Archive: Free Download: A Hebrew and English lexicon of the Old Testament : with an appendix containing the biblical Aramaic

I refer you to the book of the prophet Hosea. Hosea does not mean YHWH is Salvation, but means "Salvation".
Hosea represents the Person of YHWH called Salvation, and his relationship to His people [who are called by His "Israel" name[.

The oldest Hebrew Scripture which can be documented dates back to the middle ages, except those portions which are found in the DSS.
And the Greek NT is not available dating back to the Nt times, but in fragments.

 

[Der Alte]

I refer you to the book of the prophet Hosea. Hosea does not mean YHWH is Salvation, but means "Salvation".

Your reference to the book of Hosea is irrelevant. I have already offered my evidence and so fatr all you are doing is giving your opinion.

Hosea represents the Person of YHWH called Salvation, and his relationship to His people [who are called by His "Israel" name[.

Irrelevant! Hosea was not the prophesied Messiah, whose name was Yeshua.

The oldest Hebrew Scripture which can be documented dates back to the middle ages, except those portions which are found in the DSS.
And the Greek NT is not available dating back to the Nt times, but in fragments.

Why are you trying to exclude the DSS? The DSS is evidence that the OT we have is the same as the one that Jesus used and it is written in the same square Hebrew script used today. What is your reference to the NT supposed to prove?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Your reference to the book of Hosea is irrelevant. I have already offered my evidence and so fatr all you are doing is giving your opinion.


Irrelevant! Hosea was not the prophesied Messiah, whose name was Yeshua.



Why are you trying to exclude the DSS? The DSS is evidence that the OT we have is the same as the one that Jesus used and it is written in the same square Hebrew script used today. What is your reference to the NT supposed to prove?

Hosea typed Messiah who was to come and who was the "Ish" whose wife was the Ishyah, Israel; Hoshea's relationship to Gomer typed the relationship of "YHWH as "Israel" the Ish, and His relationship to His own "Ishyah", called by His own New Man name, "Israel".
There are many variations of spellings in the Scriptures, and the same continued in the translations, and the angel told to call Him -the Messiah- "Salvation", and told why [which is the custom in explaining the meanings of names in the ancient writings -esp Jasher], because "He/Messiah will save...". Now of course Jesus is YHWH, but He came as a human to do the saving, and redeeming us to bring us back "to and for the glory" of the unseen Father [to indwell us], which we could never come to, in the defiled, dead in spirit, Adam nature.

There are no original manuscripts of the Hebrew Bible available and the earliest we have is 13th century, but the DSS has Isaiah and a couple others in Hebrew, but not the whole Ot collection of books.

The DSS manuscripts were left by a group called "the Essenes", which word is from Osee/Hosea =Salvation. They may have been followers of Jesus Christ, but legalists to the Law of Moses.
So the "Ossenes/Essenes" were followers of the Savior/Messiah, and their name is from Hosea/Osee.

 

[Der Alte]

Hosea typed Messiah who was to come and who was the "Ish" whose wife was the Ishyah, Israel; Hoshea's relationship to Gomer typed the relationship of "YHWH as "Israel" the Ish, and His relationship to His own "Ishyah", called by His own New Man name, "Israel".
There are many variations of spellings in the Scriptures, and the same continued in the translations, and the angel told to call Him -the Messiah- "Salvation", and told why [which is the custom in explaining the meanings of names in the ancient writings -esp Jasher], because "He/Messiah will save...". Now of course Jesus is YHWH, but He came as a human to do the saving, and redeeming us to bring us back "to and for the glory" of the unseen Father [to indwell us], which we could never come to, in the defiled, dead in spirit, Adam nature.

There are no original manuscripts of the Hebrew Bible available and the earliest we have is 13th century, but the DSS has Isaiah and a couple others in Hebrew, but not the whole Ot collection of books.

The DSS manuscripts were left by a group called "the Essenes", which word is from Osee/Hosea =Salvation. They may have been followers of Jesus Christ, but legalists to the Law of Moses.
So the "Ossenes/Essenes" were followers of the Savior/Messiah, and their name is from Hosea/Osee.

You continue to make assertions but you do not provide any, evidence for anything you say. Without any evidence your assertions are no different than the teachings of Jim Jones, David Koresh, and many others, who think they have some new revelation the rest of us mere mortals don't have.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Hosea typed Messiah who was to come and who was the "Ish" whose wife was the Ishyah, Israel; Hoshea's relationship to Gomer typed the relationship of "YHWH as "Israel" the Ish, and His relationship to His own "Ishyah", called by His own New Man name, "Israel".
There are many variations of spellings in the Scriptures, and the same continued in the translations, and the angel told to call Him -the Messiah- "Salvation", and told why [which is the custom in explaining the meanings of names in the ancient writings -esp Jasher], because "He/Messiah will save...". Now of course Jesus is YHWH, but He came as a human to do the saving, and redeeming us to bring us back "to and for the glory" of the unseen Father [to indwell us], which we could never come to, in the defiled, dead in spirit, Adam nature.

There are no original manuscripts of the Hebrew Bible available and the earliest we have is 13th century, but the DSS has Isaiah and a couple others in Hebrew, but not the whole Ot collection of books.

The DSS manuscripts were left by a group called "the Essenes", which word is from Osee/Hosea =Salvation. They may have been followers of Jesus Christ, but legalists to the Law of Moses.
So the "Ossenes/Essenes" were followers of the Savior/Messiah, and their name is from Hosea/Osee.

Hosea =Salvation.

The prophet Hosea served as a living oracle of the Messiah/Christ.
He took a wife -Hebrew "Ishyah"
She was unfaithful
Children were born whose names spoke of the relation of Christ to Israel.

Gomer sold herself into harlotry.

Hosea bought her back, housed her, and fed her, but she did not know him as her "ish" for many "days".

Finally, there was reconciliation, as there will be between the Messiah and His own namesake people of the New Man name.

They bear His name, Israel, which He invoked over them, making them His own people.
They were unfaithful.
He has been bringing them back to the nation, housing them and feeding them, but they do not yet "know Him as their "Ish", but they shall.
Then He will call them "My people", and know them as His Ishyah, as a nation, and they will call Him "My Ish", and know Him as husband".

Backsliding Israel will be restored to her Ish, who is the Messiah; YHWH, "come" in flesh as their Salvation.
That is the synopsis of the book of "Salvation" -"Hosea".

 

[jpr7]

yeshuasavedme,

In all graciousness, if you have two people who are saying that you're not providing evidence for anything and that no one is sure how what you're saying is connected, you probably need to reconsider that you are just not making sense. While whatever you're saying is probably clear to you, no one else knows what you're talking about. Can you give a logical progression of how you're getting from one point to another? Because I've reread your posts repeatedly and don't understand why you keep talking about "Hosea" being the Messiah's name.

Hosea =Salvation.

The prophet Hosea served as a living oracle of the Messiah/Christ.
He took a wife -Hebrew "Ishyah"
She was unfaithful
Children were born whose names spoke of the relation of Christ to Israel.

Gomer sold herself into harlotry.

Hosea bought her back, housed her, and fed her, but she did not know him as her "ish" for many "days".

Finally, there was reconciliation, as there will be between the Messiah and His own namesake people of the New Man name.

They bear His name, Israel, which He invoked over them, making them His own people.
They were unfaithful.
He has been bringing them back to the nation, housing them and feeding them, but they do not yet "know Him as their "Ish", but they shall.
Then He will call them "My people", and know them as His Ishyah, as a nation, and they will call Him "My Ish", and know Him as husband".

Backsliding Israel will be restored to her Ish, who is the Messiah; YHWH, "come" in flesh as their Salvation.
That is the synopsis of the book of "Salvation" -"Hosea".

 

[yeshuasavedme]

yeshuasavedme,

In all graciousness, if you have two people who are saying that you're not providing evidence for anything and that no one is sure how what you're saying is connected, you probably need to reconsider that you are just not making sense. While whatever you're saying is probably clear to you, no one else knows what you're talking about. Can you give a logical progression of how you're getting from one point to another? Because I've reread your posts repeatedly and don't understand why you keep talking about "Hosea" being the Messiah's name.

The angel said to "call His name Salvation, for He shall save His people from their sins".

The "He" who shall save His people is Jesus. His name is called "Salvation" by His people, whom "He saves from their sins".
Hoshea is the proper Hebrew noun word to say "Salvation".

So "Hosea/Salvation", not Jehoshua, is the name of the "Savior".

All the "Salvation/saved/savior" Hebrew words belong to the Messiah, as it is "He, Himself" who saves us from our sins, and yes, He is YHWH in the second Person [see my earlier post on His name, YHWH], but He is come in flesh as "the Branch", and it is His flesh and His soul of second Man nature which bore our guilt for our sins;
So call Him what you wish, but the angel said "Call His name "Salvation" because "He shall save His people from their sins".