The promise of the new covenant is given by God in the book of Jeremiah where He said that He would put His law in our hearts.
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Old law, new law big difference. Facts about the first, or old covenant: 1. It was made between God and Israel. 2. It was made when he brought them out of Egypt. 3. A new covenant is to be made. 4. It will not be according to the old one.
The sabbath was a sign God and the children of Isreal, so was circumcision. Whats your understanding of Old and New Covenant?
The promise of the new covenant is given by God in the book of Jeremiah where He said that He would put His law in our hearts.
The sabbath is a sign between God and His people. We are Israel (spiritually). The sabbath is no more apart of our lives than the other nine commandments.
I'd like someone to explain how the other nine commandments were fulfilled and what that means. For if they were fulfilled in the same way the sabbath was, which means that you no longer have to keep it, than that implies that one no longer needs to keep the remaining commandments.
The sabbath was the only command that was a old covenant sign, and given throught the children of Isreal's generations. The new covenant requires different laws.
i know that sabbath keepers have been taught how to defend the seventh-day theology. why? for the sake of being right? this conversation will continue to go in circles. please read your bible and don't make inferences. it clearly states that we are under a new covenant, unlike the last covenant. the word sabbath doesn't appear anywhere in genesis. the 10 commandments, as we know them in the old covenant, have been done away with. the 10 commandments came with specific implications and punishment, most notably death. there was no salvation in them. if anyone has the power to take them away its The One who implimented them right? if not why write Romans 7:1-7, 2 Corinthians 3, Ephesians 2:15-16, Galatians 3:24-25, and the ever popular Colossians 2:14-16. Christ established a New Law. Take it for what its worth and not the way you were taught to interpret these. I'm sure when you came across them you question them but if you don't the veil will remain.
The question you have to ask yourself is if the bible contradicts itself. God made a stunning display when He gave us the 10 commandments. Don't you think He would have clearly informed us if there had been a change?
The commandment to keep the sabbath can no more be seperated from the other 9 than any other one can. It is the seal of God between Him and His people forever. That's what He said. Furthermore we have the promise that we will worship before the Father every sabbath in heaven.
If you do away with one you have to do away with them all. That's what the problem is. At no point in time did God undo what He did on the sabbath. He never transfered the solemnity(sp?) that He placed on it to another day. Man has made the transfer, not God. Look it up if you doubt it.
Simply look to the Holy Spirit to guide. The truth about the sabbath remains, as well as the other nine commandments. The law of God is at the heart of the new covenant, just as it was at the heart of the old one. Get rid of the law and you're practically saying that there is no such thing as sin. For without the law there is no way to define sin. We end up with a lawless universe and a lawless God, which we know cannot be.
Yeah.. can't get around the fact, if you throw one out, you must throw the others out with it.. and then you are let without any... which is lawlessness.
All the examples you gave are not listed in the TEN.. which are what we are talking about..Like tithing, burning incense, sacrifies, etc. Two different laws.
All the examples you gave are not listed in the TEN.. which are what we are talking about..
Honestly you don't think its quite possible that the old covenant (10 commandments) were fulfilled? If you read Exodus 37:27-28 and Hebrews 8:1-13. To say they weren't would go against scripture and wipe away Jesus' sacrifice. Remember sacrafices and even death came with breaking anything on those tablets. I would find it odd if he nailed them to the cross just to give them back to us. Just because the New Law (Christ's Law) has some of the same principles as the Old Law (10 commandments), doesn't mean they are the same law. Do they not have new definition? Thou shalt not murder is the same as being angry or hating someone now. That was not the same law, remember it was a schoolmaster.
Incorrect, James was talking about the 10 because the law that the rich man spoke of was the 10. Remember that they didn't have a NT during those times. The rich young ruler was quoting scripture from the OT.In James the law he is speaking of is not the 10 commandments, that is a reference back to when Jesus was speaking to the rich man.
This is the law of Christ, the law that gives freedom. When we walk by the fruits of the spirit, there is no law. I never said we were lawless, I was just making a distinction. That seal of God is the holy spirit, not the sabbath. If the sabbath remains why do they say its a shadow? Why is that the Only command God said he grew tired of? Man has not changed the sabbath, God has. There is a reason why there is an Old and New. "The 10 commandments" are not binding on Christians.
Like tithing, burning incense, sacrifies, etc. Two different laws.
-snip- do you have to revert back to the old testament to find out how to keep the sabbath properly?
So did my good bro PaulNope, just take a look at the life of Christ.
Secondly, why would that be a problem? Looking at the OT. The OT is what Christ taught from.
I simply asked to have it explained how the 10 have been fulfilled. The law of God and the law of Moses are two different laws that were bundled together and given to the Israelites. The way Christ explained the law to the Jews is the same way it was always suppose to be looked at. The law to love our neighbor as ourself, and to love God with all our soul was first given in the OT, in the book of Deuteronomy.
Remember that the law of God exposes sin. The sacrifices were a symbol that met its substance with Christ. The 10 continue to stand, identifying sin in all its forms.
Incorrect, James was talking about the 10 because the law that the rich man spoke of was the 10. Remember that they didn't have a NT during those times. The rich young ruler was quoting scripture from the OT.
Don't forget that Christ is God, the same God that gave us the commandments. They say the sabbath is is a shadow so that they can explain away not keeping it. It is strickly a traditional practice, keeping sunday. The sabbath was made holy by God and that action was never undone. God made no change to His law. Were the law able to be changed, than Christ would not have had to die. The law of God, the 10 commandments stands at the heart of the NT, just as it did the OT.
Just a quick note, tithing was never done away with.
Nope, just take a look at the life of Christ.
Secondly, why would that be a problem? Looking at the OT. The OT is what Christ taught from.
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