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I believe that also. I think it will come upon us shortly, then the end days will happen rapidly, and this world as we know it will spin out of control, and the world will grab the first messiah that appears in hopes of fixing the problem. It will be the grand resisto before the Real Messiah stands up.
Maybe it has already taken on that new meaning in Christ. Did you ever thought of that?Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass that afrom one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me says the Lord
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones and they sat on them, and judgement was commited to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had be beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had no worshiped the beast of his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they loved and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
The bible clearly shows that time will pass by. It will not hold the same meaning to us as it does now because we will be immortal, but it will still go on.
The mistake that many make is that they think that the letter of the law that was physically written on stone is the same letter of the law that is now being spiritually written on our hearts.True and that is in its application on the heart instead of stone.
There were many before you who believed that also, but He never showed up in there lifetime. You also probably thought He might have showed up sooner, but He never did.I believe that also. I think it will come upon us shortly, then the end days will happen rapidly, and this world as we know it will spin out of control, and the world will grab the first messiah that appears in hopes of fixing the problem. It will be the grand resisto before the Real Messiah stands up.
Jesus said to keep His commandments, so yes, they still apply.
The mistake that many make is that they think that the letter of the law that was physically written on stone is the same letter of the law that is now being spiritually written on our hearts.
But the truth is, there is no letter of the law being written on anyone's heart. There is only a Spirit-Being living in our hearts. And it is that Spirit-Being we obey, not the letter.
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant- not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory...will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?...[FONT="]2 Cor 3:6-8[/FONT][FONT="]. [/FONT]
Did you?Did you hear what you just said?
I don't know why you would say that.Are you a Free Mason or a New Age disciple? Satan has many deceiving spirits that could dwell in your heart.
By the spirit of the law, not by the letter. The letter kills.How do you tell who is who?
There are no subjective feelings involved here.If you applied the principle that you are proposing every kind of evil could be justified by your own subjective feeling.
Even with "moral law" there is still "anarchy, ancient and modern history prove this."That is why God gave 10 definitive moral laws. Without moral law we have anarchy, ancient and modern history prove this.
For since...the world through its own wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe...we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles...For the foolishness of God is wiser than man...1 Cor 1:21-25.i think one of the biggest failings of this thread is a problem concerning eschatology.
for me there will be a messianic age, when Messiah will rule for a thousand years from Jerusalem.... then there will be the age to come.
As to the Sabbath.... the earthly Sabbath finds its validity in the heavenly one. The latter can exist alone, but the former is a high quality shadow, and the term shadow is not meant to be understood as derogatory as even the shadow on earth was established by God.
I like the comment Paul makes concerning festivals (including sabbath)... they are shadows of things that are to come.... future.
until everything pertaining to this present age comes to an end... sabbath goes on. It is a foretaste of the coming powers/age. The rabbis indicate the earthly Sabbath is valued at 1/60 of the heavenly one.
As to the previous post... consider this... the penalty for murder under Torah>death. The penalty for adultery under Torah>death. The penalty for breaking the sabbath>death. God views the Sabbath as a matter of life and death. The fact some broke it does not give us the right to break it even more. This is the most pervsere argument I have ever heard.
While the spiritual entity that you speak of is true of those in Yeshua, the reality still is real here on earth. So until the spiritual realms of the heavenly experience are the same as the reality realms we must live in and experience, you should not delude yourself into thinking that you are in heaven here on earth.For since...the world through its own wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe...we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles...For the foolishness of God is wiser than man...1 Cor 1:21-25.
Rev 1:8...I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, says the Lord, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
Christ is the Beginning and the End. These are what HE IS. All the realities of God from Beginning to End exist in Christ. When we enter into Christ through faith we experience all these realities in Him from Beginning to End.
God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus...Eph 2:6.
We are in heaven with Christ even as we speak here on earth.
Sounds perverse and foolish, doesn't it?
Yes, but there is the letter of the law, and there is the Spirit or intent of the law.I really don't see your logic here. You're trying to say that sin can exist without the law, when the bible specifically tells us that sin is the transgression of the law.
SDAs have a very bad habit of concluding that every where they see the word “commandments” they assume it is referring to the ‘Ten’.Line upon line, precept upon precept. The bible tells us that Abraham kept the commandments of God. That alone is evidence that the commandments of God were passed down by word of mouth.
It is true that Christians must repent of their sins, even of those that were unintentional, and ask forgiveness, but under grace we are already forgiven even before we ask forgiveness. God does not hold sin against His children.You say that the christian can sin unintnetionally and not be held accountable? This is only true because once they sin, they must repent of that sin and ask forgiveness.
I think it is your understanding that is gross.Your arguements here are based on a gross misunderstanding to what the bible teaches us about the law. Paul says that the law is holy and just and good. If this is the case than He is obviously not trying to teach that a holy just and good law no longer applies.
It is very unfortunate and sad that many professing Christians do not understand and fully appreciate the grace of God.Try thinking of it like this. In our country, or whatever country you are from, you have a set of laws that you must obey. As long as you walk in accordance with the laws of the land you are not under the penalty for breaking that law. But once you break the law of the land, you are held accountable for that, you are now under the penalty for breaking that law.
It's the same thing with God's law. We as christians, as long as we walk in accordance with the law, are not under its penalty, but once we break it, we are under it's penalty, but because of the Grace of God all we have to do is ask for forgiveness in Jesus' name and it is granted us. At that point we move forward and are no longer under its penalty.
The Ten Commandments was the law of Moses.You say that the SDA's are afraid of complex arguements. For one we are to avoid arguements as the bible admonishes. Unfortunately I believe that we get caught up trying to do the work of the Holy Spirit by convicting people ourselves. You really should study what law Paul is talking about in regards to being nailed to the cross. He is speficifally talking about the law of Moses, not the 10 commandments. There is a difference.
By your logic an adulturer, as long as he/she says they are christian, has no need to stop their sinful ways because the law no longer applies to them.
This is not what the bible teaches.
My new wine is Christ, the New Covenant. The Ten Commandments is the Old Covenant.In vain do they worship.. why because..
Mark 7:7
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Your new wine of "intent" must be based on the letter of the law or your foundation is on the doctrines and commandments of men.
I have no such delusion.While the spiritual entity that you speak of is true of those in Yeshua, the reality still is real here on earth. So until the spiritual realms of the heavenly experience are the same as the reality realms we must live in and experience, you should not delude yourself into thinking that you are in heaven here on earth.
My new wine is Christ, the New Covenant. The Ten Commandments is the Old Covenant.
Where did you get the notion that Moses chiseled out the words on the tablets? You do understand the context right?Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he (The Lord) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant the Ten Commandments...Ex 34:28.
No one is denying God wrote it. You completely missed the point.Where did you get the notion that Moses chiseled out the words on the tablets? You do understand the context right?Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he (The Lord) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant— the Ten Commandments...Ex 34:28.
Exd 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
One would have to be seriously disconnected from the reality of scripture to make such a poorly thought out assertion.
No one is denying God wrote it. You completely missed the point.
The point I am making is that the Ten Commandments is the words, or letter, of the covenant God gave the people through Moses. There is no denying that. It is written right there in red, underlined.
This Covenant we now know as the Old Covenant, Old because we are now under a New Covenant, a New Covenant that is based on a living faith in the Spirit of Christ, and not based on obedience to the letter of Ten Commandments given through Moses.
[FONT="]He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant- not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory...will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?...[FONT="]2 Cor 3:6-8[/FONT][FONT="].[/FONT]
You can deny this, but you cannot change it. It is what it is, and that's the 'Truth'.
It cannot be any clearer.
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