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Sin is any violation, any violation of the character or law of God, the moral character or the law of God. Summing it up, 1st John 3:4. 1st John 3:4 says: "Sin is the transgression of the law. Sin is the transgression of the law." What is sin and what is not sin will be very tricky which usually defined by various denominations based on their own interpretations. We should all take a long hard look at what things we consider to be important from God's perspective rather than man's perspective. Every person must decide whether they will us their liberty to decide on their doctrinal beliefs. When we argue and disagree, we will know what kind of a Christian others are and what kind of a heart they have. We always argue over things that we love, or that we disagree.
We all can claim to be a Christian, and we all believe that the root of the matter is in us and the seed of God is in our hearts. There are those Christians who judge others based on Law. There are those Christians who judge others based on grace. There are those Christians who judge others based on their fruits.
Under grace, understanding sin is not about obeying the laws but rather obeying Christ. This is depends on a Christian's relationship with Christ. A believer is hyper-sensitive to sin and having come to Jesus Christ, a Christian senses are awakened to the reality of sin. When a Christian who is saved by the conviction of the Holy Spirit, this Christian is living in a new Creature with holy conscience rather than sinful conscience. If a Christian don't feel the conviction and didn't have the motivation to change from "within", then we should be concerned whether we are truly saved or not. "If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit." The condition of the heart determines how receptive a person is to God's commandments. If we take our doctrines into our hearts where they belong, they can cause upheavals of emotion and sleepless nights. This is far better than toying with academic ideas that never touch life. The Bible illumines the dark corners of our own hearts and minds by exposing our OWN sin but at the same time reveals the way of righteousness. Hebrews 4:12For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
Only God can see a person's heart. God wants our hearts more than He wants us to follow rules. If we give our hearts to God, then we will know what is sinful and what is not sinful. One of the greatest examples I have learn is from Lot's wife. Lot's wife died when she looked back. Looking back means you rely on flesh's desires more than God's commands and desires. A person's heart is always found running in the direction of his/her desires. The heart that desires often leads a person towards the wrong direction. Those who believed that God will not allow Christians to suffer are in big trouble and probably won't last.
The Holy Spirit is within us which is the same as God is in us as we describe to others that we have Jesus in our hearts. The Spirit is our intercessor, our personal indwelling intercessor interceding according to the will of God. The Father will always hear and always answer the intercessory prayer of the Spirit because the Spirit always prays according to God's will and God always does His will.
Someone has said "Christianity without discipleship is always Christianity without Christ." I am learning every day to be careful how we read and need to look from doctrinal perspective rather than our own satisfaction doctrinally. As Christian believers (assuming each of us are a believer), the Holy Spirit will lead each of us to the truth.
God causes us to walk His way when we are born of His Spirit. We are dead to the law. The law has been nailed to the cross. We are no longer having to look at the law and try to obey it. For it is now Christ in us and not the Law. We move and have our being in Him and not in the law of Moses. The law was fulfilled and is passing away.You're still missing the point. The truth indeed is that Cain did commit murder. But the law had not been given than had it? This is what we are trying to say. The law is eternal. If the law had not existed in Cain's time than there would have been no law for him to break. The law is never changing, were it able to be changed than Christ need not have died. True that salvation does not come from the law but by grace. This does not however allow us to break the law. That is the point. We are not allowed to break the law simply because we are under grace.
Our Lord did always look to the law for they were His to defend. He showed how the Holy Spirit will light up/enlarge its meaning of interpretation of the lawGod causes us to walk His way when we are born of His Spirit. We are dead to the law. The law has been nailed to the cross. We are no longer having to look at the law and try to obey it. For it is now Christ in us and not the Law. We move and have our being in Him and not in the law of Moses. The law was fulfilled and is passing away.
Always!I can pretty much agree with just about everything you said. However you are still missing the point. Christ indeed is our standard, so if Christ tells us to do something should we not do it?
There is no such thing as “other nine”. This assumes that there is ten.Try to not miss the point. Christ is indeed what we are sustained by. His Word is what we live by, if you can't agree with that than you ought not read the bible. You will in no wise break any of the other nine commandments.
Yes, but this first one: “You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind” (Matt 22:37).I can promise that if we were saying that it was lawful to worship other gods you'd bring out the first commandment which says that we are not to.
The Sabbath is to be kept. But it’s not the Sabbath man observes. It is the Sabbath God Himself observes.Because the word "sabbath" is used in the fourth commandment, do not assume that it is the same as the other ceremonial sabbaths. The sabbath existed before sin, we were reminded of it because of sin, and we will continue to keep it after sin.
There is no such day.We say it's important because God says it's important. We all agree that there is a specific day that we ought to keep holy unto God.
Sunday is not holy. Neither is Saturday holy. There is no day that is holy. Only God is holy.The bible says that day is saturday, while man has changed it to sunday. Show us biblically where the Lord says that sunday is the new holy day and I promise you i'll give no further arguement.
So there aren't 10 commandments?There is no such thing as other nine. This assumes that there is ten.
Yes, but this first one: You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind (Matt 22:37).
This command is the sum total of the other three. I don't see how you don't agree with that.In this command there is no place for other gods[FONT="]. [/FONT]
The Sabbath is to be kept. But its not the Sabbath man observes. It is the Sabbath God Himself observes.
Sunday is not holy. Neither is Saturday holy. There is no day that is holy. Only God is holy.
That only works if you take the 7-day creation account literally, which no one should. Ony the most extremist Fundies take the "seven days" in the creation account literally, as if Genesis is some sort of scientific document. Those days are just symbolic representations of great epochs in time......Please don't think me rude for asking this but have you actually read the 10 commandments? How about Genesis where God rested and blessed the seventh day. Saturday is indeed a holy day. I'm not saying it because that is the day that I worship on, I'm saying that because that is what the bible says.
That only works if you take the 7-day creation account literally, which no one should. Ony the most extremist Fundies take the "seven days" in the creation account literally, as if Genesis is some sort of scientific document. Those days are just symbolic representations of great epochs in time.
Traditionally, it was Moses - or someone around that time - who wrote the first five books of the OT. Considering the fact that they were under the Mosaic Law, of COURSE they wrote it in terms of "seven days". What else would you expect?
But the fact is, there WAS NO "seventh" day over the billions of years that the earth was formed. So your whole argument is based on a non-existant event.
Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor and do all thy work. But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God. In it thou shalt not do any work. Thou nor thy son nor thy daughter, nor thy man servant, nor thy maid servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth. The sea and all that in them is. And rested the seventh day, wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.
8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways, says the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
No, there are not. There are more that ten; there are ONE.So there aren't 10 commandments?
Then why do we need the “other three”?This command is the sum total of the other three. I don't see how you don't agree with that.
Man is commanded to “keep” nothing “holy”. Man can “keep’ nothing holy. Only God can keep things holy.The sabbath that God observes is the seventh day sabbath. This is the day that man is commanded to keep holy.
There are no “10 commandments”. There are only ONE.Please don't think me rude for asking this but have you actually read the 10 commandments?
The bible does not say that. You did. And God does not REST. REST is His gift to man. He does not need it. He is always WORKING, and He never stops WORKING.How about Genesis where God rested and blessed the seventh day. Saturday is indeed a holy day. I'm not saying it because that is the day that I worship on, I'm saying that because that is what the bible says.
The Lord was here to fulfill the law..Our Lord did always look to the law for they were His to defend. He showed how the Holy Spirit will light up/enlarge its meaning of interpretation of the law
by giving the lust vs the letter of the law on adultery... and now you say.. do not do as the Lord did... So you say do not have the Holy Spirit light up and enlarge the meaning of how to walk in spirit and in truth?
Where do you get the idea that the other laws, not dealing with the lamb sacrifices, the priesthood, and the temple services in which Christ did fulfill have been fulfilled.. While I agree with Christ fulfilling.. there are more laws that are not yet fulfilled... they are a shadow of things to come and are the body of Christ. And there are laws that are royal eternal righteous, and pure which will be for all eternity. .. We can not perform the law... we can be law abiding citizens of His kingdom.. for HE would not ask of us anything He did not give us the grace and power to do.The Lord was here to fulfill the law..It has been completely fulfilled by Christ. He does not light up the law. He lives in us. It is no longer us trying to live by a law. It is Christ at work in Us conforming us to His Image. When men try to conform themseves to Christ they are walking according to the flesh. It is God who causes us to walk in His statutes.. Not us and our preformance of the law.
No, there are not. There are more that ten; there are ONE.
Then why do we need the other three?
Man is commanded to keep nothing holy. Man can keep nothing holy. Only God can.
Gods Sabbath is the Sabbath God Himself observed on the seventh day of creation week. He observed no other Sabbath after that. Any other Sabbath after that is ours, not His.
There are no 10 commandments. There are only ONE.
The bible does not say that. You did. And God does not REST. REST is His gift to man. He does not need it. He is always WORKING, and He never stops WORKING.
My Father has been working until now, and I have been working (John 5:17).
Very well said.The Lord was here to fulfill the law..It has been completely fulfilled by Christ. He does not light up the law. He lives in us. It is no longer us trying to live by a law. It is Christ at work in Us conforming us to His Image. When men try to conform themseves to Christ they are walking according to the flesh. It is God who causes us to walk in His statutes.. Not us and our preformance of the law.
"there are more laws that... are a shadow of things to come and are the body of Christ"?While I agree with Christ fulfilling.. there are more laws that are not yet fulfilled... they are a shadow of things to come and are the body of Christ.
The law is established in us not because we follow the law but because Christ lives in us and has fulfilled the law.. God is the one who causes us to walk in his statutes not the law..
So explain to me the difference between his statutes and his law?The law is established in us not because we follow the law but because Christ lives in us and has fulfilled the law.. God is the one who causes us to walk in his statutes not the law..
That only works if you take the 7-day creation account literally, which no one should. Ony the most extremist Fundies take the "seven days" in the creation account literally, as if Genesis is some sort of scientific document. Those days are just symbolic representations of great epochs in time.
Traditionally, it was Moses - or someone around that time - who wrote the first five books of the OT. Considering the fact that they were under the Mosaic Law, of COURSE they wrote it in terms of "seven days". What else would you expect?
But the fact is, there WAS NO "seventh" day over the billions of years that the earth was formed. So your whole argument is based on a non-existant event.
The Lord God is not mocked. He said seven days, how do you say it was not done in seven days?....
QFT!Spare me the righteous indignation. I am not mocking God. If anything, it is you that mock him by reading Geneis in such a ridiculous literallistic way.
The earth is billions of years old. The "Seven days" are "symbolic". That does not mean it is untrue, it simply means that you do not understand the way ancient Semites used imageray and stories to convey truths.
Explain to me if you live the law or if Christ lives in you..For His law is established in us.. We do not establish His law.. He is the one who causes us to walk His way.. Not our own doings by our own efforts..So explain to me the difference between his statutes and his law?
Spare me the righteous indignation. I am not mocking God. If anything, it is you that mock him by reading Geneis in such a ridiculous literallistic way.
The earth is billions of years old. The "Seven days" are "symbolic". That does not mean it is untrue, it simply means that you do not understand the way ancient Semites used imageray and stories to convey truths.
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