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Actually what we believe is that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.. The Godly for the ungodly..It is because He first loved us that we love Him. For we are not saved by the working of the Law but by Grace through Faith. We do not maintain our salvation.. Jesus forever saves us whom come to Him. It is not in our works of righteousness that any man can stand.. It is all through Christ and His truth..So you don't believe that you should love God with all your heart which is the greatest commandment. You also believe that God will save people that do not love him. Then that means that everyone will be saved whether they love him or not.
Can any man be righteous with sin in his life. Don't you think that Abraham asked for forgiveness for his sins. Keeping God's Law does not make you a sinner. Breaking them makes you a sinner. That is why we need to confess our sins and God will cleanse us from those sins.Been refuted through scripture brother.. The torah is as much the law of Moses as the ceremonial was.. We are the seed of Abraham which did not come under the law but was declared righteous because He believed God.. We are his seed in that we have been declared righteous because we Believe in His Son Jesus Christ our Lord..
So you also believe in the once saved always saved doctrine. Please do not think that i am saying that we keep the law to be saved. It is because we are saved we keep the law. People who don't care about God will not bother with any commandment. We are saved by grace through faith but works are as a result of our faith. Keeping God's commandments are a result of our faith and love for GodActually what we believe is that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.. The Godly for the ungodly..It is because He first loved us that we love Him. For we are not saved by the working of the Law but by Grace through Faith. We do not maintain our salvation.. Jesus forever saves us whom come to Him. It is not in our works of righteousness that any man can stand.. It is all through Christ and His truth..
Goes without saying that those who promote certain Laws have indeed sunk themselves back into the quicksand.
Unless you free yourself of that mentality. You must overcome that, and put your flesh into submission of His will, which is "to be perfect, just as Father is perfect".
Just as Jesus was perfect. You seem to think that it is literally impossible for the flesh to be perfect? How so, Jesus did it, and HE was without sin, and as A MAN.
We have the benefit, and gift, because of His sacrifice, which wiped out our sin, and made us new.
Yes, both say you must obey a Law of sin and death,
when Christ came to redeem mankind from this very sin and death. He fulfilled and completed ALL there is to do. We are under a New Covenant, period. No longer the old, but a new.
His death was the inaugurating effect which brought it in. The Law is easy, which is to Love. Like mankind needs this Law, but in case you do, there it is, a reminder of what Father wants from us. And if you say you "keep" it because you have to, you have missed it. I don't Love because I have to, but I choose to. My choice, my will.
I agree because all we see is a harlot form of Christianity. They think that they are OSAS, and because of this belief will set up Anti-Christ in their hearts. They sin repeatedly with no guilt of it. For them there is no redemption, as they will be doomed for trampling the Blood of Christ, making His sacrifice of no effect, but having known the Truth, they traded it for a lie.
How does a Law become "enhanced".
How does a Christian commit one another to be "fried" forever? Interesting choice of words.
Like they were supposed to, to start with? Both commandments He issued were quoted from Torah.
And this is themselves. Quit looking for the boogie man, he is in the mirror. This is the face you should be seeing "dimly, face to face", until you don't see him any longer.
Christ DEALT with the the son of perdition, in the desert.
It is up to us, with the Comforter's Help to overcome him as well.
Yes, the serpent has grown into a dragon, but that is because we can't keep the dang believers from eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and every time you eat it, he gets that much stronger.
Strip that Dragon of his beauty, put him on his belly, and finally just stomp it out of your lives.
Anyone who says you HAVE NO CHOICE BUT to sin, is a lier and the truth is not in him
No where in scripture, after Jesus died, did the Apostles talking with believers say that you have no choice but to sin,
but instead, that you can become perfect and overcome the flesh, by living through Christ, in Christ, and becoming part of the Body of Christ. John when talking in his first letter deals with first the relaying the message from God, in full, and then moves on to the Children, Young Men, and finally Fathers, which are nothing but different stages of Christian growth. Which is why it seems there is a contradiction, but there isn't.
Pure Faith and Pure Love in Jesus the Christ and Father casts all fear aside. In this you live, sin free,
because you want to, not because you have to. This is Love. To Love is giving yourself to something greater than yourself, willingly. No greater Love has one for another, than the one who lays His life down for His friends. NONE. I gladly give my life to Jesus, fully and completely.
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No, it doesn't. In fact, the bible NEVER talks about PART of the law being abolished. Instead, it says that the ENTIRE law stands forever. Either the ENTIRE law stands, or NONE of the law stands.
I'm going to feed my dogs. When i come back i will prove it.
But Jesus said that not an iota of the law should pass. Either you're under the ENTIRE law, or you're not under the law at all. When was part of the law abolished? And when was it given to gentiles?They will not because the ceremonial system is passed away.
I don't agree that they will be observing the law of Moses.You seem not to agree that the saints will be keeping the commandments.
Yes, and He gave it for a very particular purpose. Israel ASKED for it, they WANTED to live according to the letter, and God allowed them to try. He gave the law to demonstrate that you simply can't live according to it - instead, you must -like Adam and Abraham etc- rely on nothing but the grace of God.The fact is that we know. You put so much blame on the commandments but it was God who gave it.
Exactly. The law completely contradicts that idea. The law doesn't even hint that you should somehow love God voluntarily. It simply demands that you SHALL love Him.He wants men to love and obey him by choice not by fate.
Remember that in the new covenant the law is placed in our heart.[/QUOTEThe law of Moses is not in my heart.
But how can you then keep pointing to those stone tablets instead of pointing to our hearts?We don't need tables of stone because the law is in our minds and hearts.
But isn't that what you say happened in the NEW covenant?That is because the law was written on the hearts of men.
If so, that plan backfired like the mother of all backfires.God only gave the 10 commandments to Moses because the Israelites were so rebellious that they needed a visual reminder.
But God is wiser than that - He didn't give the law to make Israel more righteous, but to make the whole world GUILTY. God has no problem making people righteous. He has no problem changing people. We only need to allow Him to do so. And as long as we keep trying to make ourselves righteous, we will fail. Therefore God gave the law, to utterly demonstrate that we CAN'T.
The tragedy is that most of christianity tries to use the law for the exact opposite of what it was intended for!
We don't have to. We can live like Adam and Eve lived before the fall, blissfully unconscious of sin, blissfully conscious of God. When you have God in you and around you, when you're breathing God, you don't need to be told not to murder, like you were some criminal. In fact, the bible plainly states that the law is for the wicked and the ungodly - in other words, not for you and me.The fact is that we all have that knowledge of sin
That doesn't mean that part of the law was given to the gentiles or that it had any other purpose than the rest of the law, though. As far as I know, the ten commandments, as opposed to the entire law, is mentioned only one other time in the bible - when Paul refers to the "ministry of Death, engraved on stone."When you say the Mosaic Law are you referring to the law Moses wrote in a book in Deuteronomy 31 that was placed on the side of the ark of the covenant in contrast to God's 10 commandments which were placed inside the ark protected by the very presence of God?
It's the ministry of Death. It's supposed to KILL us and any idea that we can somehow contribute to our own salvation. "...for by the law I DIED TO THE LAW so that I may belong to another [Christ]," Paul said. But instead, most christians seem to believe that they are supposed to live according to it. But the bible actually says the exact opposite!
It's the ministry of Death. It's supposed to KILL us and any idea that we can somehow contribute to our own salvation. "...for by the law I DIED TO THE LAW so that I may belong to another [Christ],"Paul said.
Breaking the law does not make us a sinner.Can any man be righteous with sin in his life. Don't you think that Abraham asked for forgiveness for his sins. Keeping God's Law does not make you a sinner. Breaking them makes you a sinner. That is why we need to confess our sins and God will cleanse us from those sins.
Breaking the law does not make us a sinner.We are a sinner from birth. Born into sin. Therefore we sin. There is no man righteous.. No not one.. This is why it is Christ righteousness that is ours. For it is our faith in Him that we are declared righteous..
We are not saved to keep the law..We are saved to have a complete intimate realtionship With God through Christ where we cry ABBA Father. When we are born again we are then slaves to righteousness. For once again we are not the seed of Moses nor the seed of Isreal but the seed of Abraham who was creditied righteousness to Him for believing God. Does that mean we can go out and sin. God forbid.. It means that we are now a new man. Created from the inside out by the Spirit of God in us.. Our old man is Hid in Christ. It is now Him working in us to do the fathers will and that is to walk in love.
We are a sinner from birth. Born into sin.
This is not what Paul said.Paul said that he died to the law of sin and death so that he can be married to the law of God.
Yes He was born as a man. BUT His Father was not a man,.. He was God all mighty.. The creator of Heaven and earth.. See sin came in through Adam. Ever since then men born of men and woman are born sinners.. But Jesus being Born of God because He is the Word who Is God was prepared a body.I have never agreed with this traditional churchianity doctrine. If that were the case it would mean Jesus sinned, as He was born as a man. And it would make Jesus a lier, and the Truth would not be in Him, for He said clarifying a then traditional doctrine:
This is not what Paul said.
Notice that Paul was not married to the law of God but to Christ Jesus who was raised from the dead.. Paul being Jewish knew he was now dead to the law.. All of it.. And now He is married to Christ Jesus the risen King of Kings and it is through Grace by faith and not the working of the law.Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
Notice that Paul was not married to the law of God but to Christ Jesus who was raised from the dead.. Paul being Jewish knew he was now dead to the law.. All of it.. And now He is married to Christ Jesus the risen King of Kings and it is through Grace by faith and not the working of the law.
The fact that lawlessness still abides in the flesh that The Law then empowers that lawlessness to drag it's victims back into bondage.
Yes He was born as a man. BUT His Father was not a man,.. He was God all mighty.. The creator of Heaven and earth.. See sin came in through Adam. Ever since then men born of men and woman are born sinners.. But Jesus being Born of God because He is the Word who Is God was prepared a body.
I love because He loved me first, that's all. It has nothing to do with commandments. And yes, I believe God will save people who don't love Him. He even died for us all while we were still His enemies. He paid the price for us once and for all, He didn't wait until we loved Him or that we in any other way made ourselves worthy of salvation. He saved Peter, He saved Thomas, etc etc. It is HE who saves us, we don't save ourselves in any way, shape or form. Salvation is for all who want it.So you don't believe that you should love God with all your heart which is the greatest commandment. You also believe that God will save people that do not love him. Then that means that everyone will be saved whether they love him or not.
Jesus says of you love me keep my commandments.
If you break one of them then you need God's grace. Once you have God's grace you are saved. But you must have love to start that process. If i don't love God i would not care about his grace. God does not push grace down our throats. A man who loves God will accept grace. A man who loves God will Love God with all his heart which is the greatest commandment.
Actually, it is;holo that's NOT what Paul said.
The law of Moses is the law of sin and death - in another place, Paul specifically calls the ten commandments the ministry of death. See for yourself. The commandment is the power of sin. When the commandment came, sin sprang to life. Apart from the law, sin is dead.Paul said that he died to the law of sin and death so that he can be married to the law of God.
The law Paul died to is the law of sin and death and NOT to God's law.
Sure. I have never been under the mosaic law though. I'm not an Israelite. I'm not even alive.If you consider yourself of the Spirit then you are subject to the law of God, Paul said.
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