Yes, but what if we are not wrong?

[TillICollapse]

So Christianity was in severe ignorance this entire two thousand years until you came to illuminate us with your truth. Just curious. Just because you don't understand it it doesn't mean it is not as it is.

Are you aware of the different types of fallacies one may commit when they are arguing their position ?

For you and for all the atheists blaming God because of letting the snake in, I recommand you to read the romanian fairy tale "Harap Alb"

I do appreciate irony.

 

[Wryetui]

I do appreciate irony.

I wasn't calling the Genesis a fairy tale, but since the book I was talking about is a fairy tale based on the story of Adam from the Genesis I had to say it.

 

[TillICollapse]

So Christianity was in severe ignorance this entire two thousand years until you came to illuminate us with your truth.

Out of curiosity, are you aware of the Christians who believe in the "Divine Council", etc ? If I'm not mistaken, this essentially points to Elohim as being plural and multiple beings (in the context of the creation account in Genesis), where as Yahweh was just one of the "Elohim". I can't remember if Yahweh was the chief Elohim over all the Elohim, or if that was El. Regardless, are you aware of this concept ?

I wasn't calling the Genesis a fairy tale, but since the book I was talking about is a fairy tale based on the story of Adam from the Genesis I had to say it.

Yes, I didn't say you were calling Genesis a fairy tale.

 

[bhsmte]

Yahweh's characteristics are revealed by His actions, and through the representations of His people. This is why He called out a people for his name, initially the Israelite, and consequently the Church. Of course amid both these groups are false believers who misrepresent Yahweh, and fallible humans who sin and make mistakes.

Which actions do you assign characteristics from?

 

[GrimKingGrim]

God letting the snake (Satan) into the garden

Citation

was a very good gift given by us, as ironical as it sounds, because it allowed us to know God by our own efforts

You mean through our slaughter?

by not having an automat relationship with Him, but because we seek that relationship

When someone has a gun to your head but says, "do whatever you want, just don't make me mad." I doubt you would pragmatically do anything.

God knew what would happen, God knew everything, but He knew that, after all, He was doing was good

you call setting people up "Good" and blaming them afterward "Good?"

For you and for all the atheists blaming God because of letting the snake in

Seems reasonable. I would blame him just as much for sending 42 bears to tear children to shreds.

 

[Wryetui]

To don't believe in God you are very mad at Him. It is curious how you always quote the OT but you say never about Jesus from the NT, what don't you like about Him? The fact that He died for Us? The fact that He was the best person ever? The fact that He is the same God from the OT?

I see blaming God or criticizing Him shameful and pathethic because you are against your own Creator, but I cannot stop people from doing it.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

You can't make any statements for them. The first error atheists do is that the "God" feeling in one's heart may be filled with every God or with every divine being. That's untrue, ask a hindu or a buddhist what he feels and then ask an eastern orthodox in Church, you will see that God matters.

You didn't answer my question. What about someone who claims to have found the One True God in another religion?

Also, could you tell me any reasons why would you prefer to believe in any other God than the Biblical one? I find Him to be the more reliable One. I think almost all the atheists have a strong bias against the Bible and God.

It's not a matter of preference, but of truth. If you think this is about preferences, then you're asking the wrong sorts of questions.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Oh hello again Archaeopteryx. I'll need for you to demonstrate to me that you have acknowledged some of my previous anmswers to the same questions, before I indulge you further.

1. How have I said that Yahweh reveals himself to all humans.
2. How have I said this method of revelation demonstrates Yahweh exists.
3. How have I said that a human begins and progresses in the search for Yahweh.

These 3 basic questions should be easy for you to answe ( since i've given you the answwers several times ), and if you do I'll proceed with you.

If not.....knock knock

Still waiting, agua...

 

[agua]

Which actions do you assign characteristics from?

The first action would be Creation. In the Universe we see complex symbiotic relationships in systems eg. the Earth water cycle etc. This shows us Yahweh's power and ability to create. Next I'd look at the humans, who are created in His likeness, to see how we're reasoning, inventive, intuitive, and emotional beings. This shows Yahweh is complex. Next I'd look towards His intentions for His creation, which is to live closely ( Tabernacle ) with us for ever, and how He provided the opportunity for this to occur for all humans. This shows His great unselfish love. Next I'd look at how Yahweh allows the numerous people who reject Him to live lives of their choosing, and how He's ready to forgive them and embrace them if they turn to Him. This shows His mercy. Next I'd look to how Yahweh will provide perfect justice at the allotted time, and recompense according to what people have done. Maybe for last now, I'd look at how Yahweh will destroy the wicked, and this shows His vengence.

So far I've given Power, Creativity, Complexity, Love, Mercy, Justice ( and vengeful ).

If you'd like more please ask; Yahweh is my favourite subject; My Lord and my God.

 

[Wryetui]

You didn't answer my question. What about someone who claims to have found the One True God in another religion?

They are wrong, there is no other God than the Holy Trinity. Yes, you can say they will say the same about me, but I am telling you the truth, remember the counterfeit money? You won't believe me and it's fine, but I am telling you the truth.

 

[quatona]

They are wrong, there is no other God than the Holy Trinity. Yes, you can say they will say the same about me, but I am telling you the truth, remember the counterfeit money? You won't believe me and it's fine, but I am telling you the truth.

Stop the presses. There´s a guy on the internet who claims to know the truth about God - therefore it must be the truth. All metaphysical considerations and discussions have become obsolete.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

They are wrong, there is no other God than the Holy Trinity. Yes, you can say they will say the same about me, but I am telling you the truth, remember the counterfeit money? You won't believe me and it's fine, but I am telling you the truth.

Yes, I do recall the analogy to counterfeit money. You never explained how you know that their money is counterfeit and that yours is the only legitimate theological currency. They claim that your currency is counterfeit and you claim that theirs is counterfeit. How then do we determine who has legitimate currency and who doesn't?

 

[Oafman]

They are wrong, there is no other God than the Holy Trinity. Yes, you can say they will say the same about me, but I am telling you the truth, remember the counterfeit money? You won't believe me and it's fine, but I am telling you the truth.

Assertions don't cut the mustard. You need to prove it, and of course you can't.

 

[Oafman]

To don't believe in God you are very mad at Him. It is curious how you always quote the OT but you say never about Jesus from the NT, what don't you like about Him? The fact that He died for Us? The fact that He was the best person ever? The fact that He is the same God from the OT?

I see blaming God or criticizing Him shameful and pathethic because you are against your own Creator, but I cannot stop people from doing it.

It's peoples' different versions of God, their beliefs about him, and the actions which these beliefs motivate them to take which we criticise. You can't blame or criticise something in which you do not believe, so we don't criticise God, but we do criticise other peoples' actions and statements.

 

[Wryetui]

I don't need to prove anything

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I don't need to prove anything

Then stop claiming that others have counterfeit currency and that yours is legitimate.

 

[Wryetui]

Then stop claiming that others have counterfeit currency and that yours is legitimate.

There is no dead or alive person that met Christ and "found" "God" in other religion. Never.

 

[Oafman]

There is no dead or alive person that met Christ and "found" "God" in other religion. Never.

But there are loads of people who claim they have 'found' God thorugh other religions. I mean, many hundreds of millions of them. And they often assert this just as forcefully - or much more so in some cases - as you do.

Why should I believe you over them? Why should I believe any of you? What have you got for me to assess which might support your claims?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

There is no dead or alive person that met Christ and "found" "God" in other religion. Never.

Once again, how should we assess the legitimacy of your currency? You have claimed that everyone else's money is counterfeit, so I presume you have something to substantiate that claim.

 

[Wryetui]

Those people never met Christ. Those who abandon christianity never met Christ. No one abandons God if they really met Him. I didn't met Him (besides happenings that I might consider from God, but those weren't meetings) and I would give my life for Christ.