YEC: Fairy tale or Biblical truth?

[ocean]

Is Young-Earth Creationism, the "theory" that says that God spontaneously created everything in six days 6,000 years ago, truth or fiction?

Personally, I believe it is fiction. There is too much evidence for an old earth and the evolutionary process that it simply can't be denied. I would love to be a Creationist. I would love to believe that God specially created us in our present form and that the entire universe was made for us, but that's just not true. It is my opinion that most YEC's believe as they do because it makes them 'feel good', not because there is any scientific evidence that backs up their position.

I am a Creationist in the sense that I believe God created, I just accept the scientific evidence instead of a literal reading of Genesis.

 

[Michali]

I don't think anyone believes something to make them feel-good. Everyone wants the truth. We just disagree on what it is sometimes.

I'm not sure, but, I don't ever recall Genesis' time period of creation to have been ever quoted by any of the rest of the Bible. It always said "God created the earth and the heavens", "God laid the foundations of the earth", and other vague statements. Jesus' only statement anything close to time in creationism was: "The sabbath was created for man, not man for the sabbath." Which actually tells us alot about his views on the subject. He was known for correcting the "old law", treating some scripture as "sayings" instead of divine words. Such as: "--You have heard that it was said--, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' --But I tell you--, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn him the other also." He seems to know that the scriptures were incorrect or corrupted by men in the past.

 

[JohnR7]

According to the gallop polls 44% of the people believe in the YEC. 39% believe in theistic evolution. Only 10% believe in evolution without God being a part of it. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/evolutionviews990816.html

I believe in the old world. But I believe the world we live in now is 13,970 years old, so we believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis.

 

[JohnR7]

I don't think anyone believes something to make them feel-good. Everyone wants the truth. We just disagree on what it is sometimes.

I believe we should live right in order to feel good. Wrong living can effect our health and our general feeling of well being.

 

[T.R.D.]

I believe in the old world. But I believe the world we live in now is 13,970 years old, so we believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis.

13,970 years is not very old compared to the scientific age of the earth. So that would make you a YEC.

Where dic you get that number from? Most YEC's believe the earth is 6,000 years old.

 

[Michali]

13,970 years is not very old compared to the scientific age of the earth. So that would make you a YEC.

Where dic you get that number from? Most YEC's believe the earth is 6,000 years old.

I think that is also YEC.

I guess John's belief is that a day= 1000 years in creation. As was stated by Peter. Personally I think Peter was displaying God's patience and regard toward time itself. I don't mean to say that I am YE or OE by this.

 

[JohnR7]

Where dic you get that number from? Most YEC's believe the earth is 6,000 years old.

6000 years is if you consider a day in Genesis to be a literal 24 hour day. Moses says a day to God is 1000 years to us. So that would make the age of the world we now live in 13,970 years of age. Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden were created 6000 years ago.

Some people come up with 12,970 years ago. But I believe Adam and Eve were created on the 8 th day. The male and female that was created on the 6 th day was given the whole earth. Adam and Eve were placed in the Garden of Eden.

 

[JohnR7]

I think that is also YEC.

I guess John's belief is that a day= 1000 years in creation. As was stated by Peter. Personally I think Peter was displaying God's patience and regard toward time itself. I don't mean to say that I am YE or OE by this.

Moses also said a day to God is 1000 years.

Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

 

[Michali]

Moses also said a day to God is 1000 years.

Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

I thought I had read that somewhere, but NIV says:

"For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, OR like a watch in the night."

If this were true, then a complete day and night is 2,000 years. I'm glad you posted that because I checked in my Bible and just noticed that. Are we on the brink of even another time? 24,000+?

 

[ReUsAbLePhEoNiX]

What about time dialation and Relativity, How Fast is God traveling relative to the observer on earth? If 1 day to God is equal to 1000 of our years, how fast would God be traveling relative too us?

 

[Arikay]

Most biblical scholars agree that the "1 day is 1000 years to god" verse means that time has no meaning to god. 1000 years was picked as an nice round arbitrary long amount of time, to get the point across.
It does Not literally mean that 1 day to god is 1000 of our years.
Unless of course, God is something in our universe, that can be effected by time.

 

[ReUsAbLePhEoNiX]

Most biblical scholars agree that the "1 day is 1000 years to god" verse means that time has no meaning to god. 1000 years was picked as an nice round arbitrary long amount of time, to get the point across.
It does Not literally mean that 1 day to god is 1000 of our years.
Unless of course, God is something in our universe, that can be effected by time.

ya I know that, remember I grew up YEC, I am only curious how to determine the Speed of God if 1 day from a earth observer is a 1000 years to a God moving ( away or toward?) at a constant rate

 

[Philosoft]

In my opinion, option 4: "The earth is 6,000-10,000 years old, and I would change my position in light of new scientific evidence" is meaningless. The scientific evidence for an old earth is beyond overwhelming. It was overwhelming 200 years ago.

 

[Happy Wonderer]

According to the gallop polls 44% of the people believe in the YEC. 39% believe in theistic evolution. Only 10% believe in evolution without God being a part of it.

It should be pointed out that the poll referred to people in the United States -- the point of the article was how the US differs from the rest of the world. Other countries have much better science education.

hw

 

[Arikay]

Yeah I know, I was mentioning it to Johns post, I just didnt quote . That is an interesting question.

ya I know that, remember I grew up YEC, I am only curious how to determine the Speed of God if 1 day from a earth observer is a 1000 years to a God moving ( away or toward?) at a constant rate

 

[ReUsAbLePhEoNiX]

I did my calculations and the Speed of God is exactly 666 times the speed of light...

haha Im kidding, I suck at math

 

[OldBadfish]

13,970 years is not very old compared to the scientific age of the earth. So that would make you a YEC.

Where dic you get that number from? Most YEC's believe the earth is 6,000 years old.

Actually I share this similar view, I can't be honest to myself and believe without some question that the earth is 6000 years old, there is too much evidence, I am leaning towards an old earth, renewed or rejuvenated for Gods spontaneous creation of man. However I must add that I don't discount Gods supernatural abilities to create in a 6 to 12 thousand year time span. It just looks like the earth is older, and am not going to be rhetorical and say it's not because I haven't found evidence to the contrary.

I could believe the earth is even older than Johns number, possibly millions of years older, I mean if Gods eternal, then who knows what he did with the earth before man, maybe he made stuff and then abandoned the earth for other projects? Maybe he did have ape-men here and dinosaurs just goofing off. But right now I don't believe that todays man evolved the way it is theorized today..

But would change my view in light of new evidence, especially the elusive transitional stuff, and I mean some iron clad transitional specimens of men, there is still the missing link, correct?

So I vote that I'm a YEC and would change my view in light of new and compelling evidence.

 

[OldBadfish]

In my opinion, option 4: "The earth is 6,000-10,000 years old, and I would change my position in light of new scientific evidence" is meaningless. The scientific evidence for an old earth is beyond overwhelming. It was overwhelming 200 years ago.

Not to people that believe that God is beyond and capable of doing everything in that time span, given superaccelerated creation of the Universe, its possible.

 

[OldBadfish]

It should be pointed out that the poll referred to people in the United States -- the point of the article was how the US differs from the rest of the world. Other countries have much better science education.

hw

I thought the US was a leader in this and other related sciences?

 

[OldBadfish]

But can't vote, because I believe that 10,000 may be a little too young also. Am I evolving? LOL