Yahweh is Jesus before the foundation of the world.

[Yahchristian]

I believe...
Our spirit is "who" we are.
There is only one eternal spirit.
The eternal spirit is named Yahweh.
Yahweh is the spirit of Jesus.
Yahweh created each of our spirits.

So I would say...
Yahweh is Jesus before the foundation of the world.
...and...
Yahweh is Jesus.

Both statements mean the same thing to me.
Would you say those two statements?

 

[ToBeLoved]

I believe...
Our spirit is "who" we are.
There is only one eternal spirit.
The eternal spirit is named Yahweh.
Yahweh is the spirit of Jesus.
Yahweh created each of our spirits.

So I would say...
Yahweh is Jesus before the foundation of the world.
...and...
Yahweh is Jesus.

Both statements mean the same thing to me.
Would you say those two statements?

I am confused by the wording. Are you saying there is no Father and Holy Spirit and they are not spirit also?

 

[Yahchristian]

I am confused by the wording.

Which of these statements (if any) are you confused by...

Our spirit is "who" we are.

There is only one eternal spirit.

The eternal spirit is named Yahweh.

Yahweh is the spirit of Jesus.

Yahweh created each of our spirits.

If you understand the statements, do you agree or disagree with them?

 

[ToBeLoved]

Which of these statements (if any) are you confused by...

Our spirit is "who" we are.

There is only one eternal spirit.

The eternal spirit is named Yahweh.

Yahweh is the spirit of Jesus.

Yahweh created each of our spirits.

If you understand the statements, do you agree or disagree with them?

Ok then.

I disagree with it all.

God is a Trinity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

So I'm not sure if you are a non-Trinitarian, but otherwise you are in error.

 

[Yahchristian]

I disagree with it all.

So you disagree that... Our spirit is "who" we are.
What do you believe is "who" we are? Our body?

So you disagree that... There is only one eternal spirit.
How many eternal spirits do you believe there are? Three?

So you disagree that... The eternal spirit is named Yahweh.
What do you believe is the name of the eternal spirit(s)?

So you disagree that... Yahweh is the spirit of Jesus.
What eternal spirit do you believe is incarnated as Jesus?

So you disagree that... Yahweh created each of our spirits.
Who do you believe created our spirits?

 

[ViaCrucis]

So you disagree that... Our spirit is "who" we are.
What do you believe is "who" we are? Our body?

The idea that the real "me" is some sort of disembodied ghost or spirit just inhabiting a flesh-house is rank heresy, Gnosticism. The real me is me, the flesh-and-bone creature conceived in my mother's womb; body, mind, and soul.

So you disagree that... There is only one eternal spirit.
How many eternal spirits do you believe there are? Three?

What's an "eternal spirit"? There is only one eternal Spirit, the Holy Spirit, who is homoousios with the Father and the Son.

So you disagree that... The eternal spirit is named Yahweh.
What do you believe is the name of the eternal spirit(s)?

YHVH is the four-letter name of God revealed to the children of Israel, the God who exists in three consubstantial Persons of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

So you disagree that... Yahweh is the spirit of Jesus.
What eternal spirit do you believe is incarnated as Jesus?

The Son and Word became flesh as our Lord Jesus Christ.

So you disagree that... Yahweh created each of our spirits.
Who do you believe created our spirits?

God is the maker of all things, both seen and unseen.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Yahchristian]

What's an "eternal spirit"?

A spirit that is eternal, not created.

John 4:24 ESV... God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.

Romans 1:20 ESV... For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

How many eternal spirits do you believe there are?

I say one.

 

[ViaCrucis]

How many eternal spirits do you believe there are?

I say one.

If by that you mean there's one God, then yes.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Yahchristian]

If by that you mean there's one God, then yes.

-CryptoLutheran

Ok, so you now agree that... There is only one eternal spirit.

So do you still disagree that... The eternal spirit is named Yahweh.
What do you believe is the name of the one eternal spirit?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Ok, so you now agree that... There is only one eternal spirit.

So do you still disagree that... The eternal spirit is named Yahweh.
What do you believe is the name of the one eternal spirit?

No, because "Yahweh" is an approximate guess, we don't know how the Tetragrammaton was pronounced. But YHVH was the name by which God made Himself known to Israel, that much is true.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Yahchristian]

No, because "Yahweh" is an approximate guess, we don't know how the Tetragrammaton was pronounced. But YHVH was the name by which God made Himself known to Israel, that much is true.

What is your definition of "Israel"?

Genesis 4:26 HCSB... A son was born to Seth also, and he named him Enosh. At that time people began to call on the name of Yahweh.

That was almost 2,000 years before Jacob (Israel) was born.


So, it now seems you agree with these two statements (if I change Yahweh to YHVH)...

There is only one eternal spirit.

The eternal spirit is named YHVH.

Correct?

 

[ViaCrucis]

What is your definition of "Israel"?

Genesis 4:26 HCSB... A son was born to Seth also, and he named him Enosh. At that time people began to call on the name of Yahweh.

That was almost 2,000 years before Jacob (Israel) was born.


So, it now seems you agree with these two statements (if I change Yahweh to YHVH)...

There is only one eternal spirit.

The eternal spirit is named YHVH.

Correct?

In the context which I used it, the people descended from Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel, with whom God made a covenant at Mt. Horeb, and all who then shared in that ancient covenant promise; Ruth was made a daughter of Israel even though she was a Moabite.

And, yes YHVH is the name by which the one and only God was known and had revealed Himself to ancient Israel.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ToBeLoved]

So you disagree that... Our spirit is "who" we are.
What do you believe is "who" we are? Our body?

So you disagree that... There is only one eternal spirit.
How many eternal spirits do you believe there are? Three?

So you disagree that... The eternal spirit is named Yahweh.
What do you believe is the name of the eternal spirit(s)?

So you disagree that... Yahweh is the spirit of Jesus.
What eternal spirit do you believe is incarnated as Jesus?

So you disagree that... Yahweh created each of our spirits.
Who do you believe created our spirits?

You are going back and forth between who God is in Spirit and who mankind are in Spirit.

It's very confusing. Which topic is this thread about?

 

[ToBeLoved]

In the context which I used it, the people descended from Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel, with whom God made a covenant at Mt. Horeb, and all who then shared in that ancient covenant promise; Ruth was made a daughter of Israel even though she was a Moabite.

And, yes YHVH is the name by which the one and only God was known and had revealed Himself to ancient Israel.

-CryptoLutheran

What is the difference between YHVH and YHWH?

 

[Ron Gurley]

OP: Objection...False Premises + Argumentative!

I believe...BUT you ignore the Biblically supported doctrine of the TRI-UNE GOD

Our spirit is "who" we are...No. Man is Body/Soul/Spirit...1 Thessalonians 5:23; Hebrews 4:12; Isaiah 42:5

There is only one eternal spirit....named Yahweh...NO. See TRI-UNE God below.

Yahweh is the spirit of Jesus....NO. See TRI-UNE God below.
Yahweh created each of our spirits...No. The TRI-UNE God below. Isaiah 42:5

So I would say...No. False logic

Yahweh IS (identical to) Jesus before the foundation of the world...No!
...and...
Yahweh IS (identical to) Jesus.

Both statements mean the same thing to me....ILLOGICAL and UNTRUE

Would you say those two statements? False Premises!

Biblically supported Doctrine of the TRI-UNE GOD


God the Son, Jesus the God-Man is not the SAME as/IDENTICAL to God the Father,
nor is God the Son, Jesus the God-Man the SAME as/ IDENTICAL to God the Holy Spirit.
The spiritual Persons of the "Godhead" are discerned has having different:
RANKS, ROLES, MISSIONS, FUNCTIONS, NAMES, etc.
No one Person of the "Godhead" is identical to / the same as / "equal" to the other
>>>EXCEPT<<< in THEIR unity of "spiritual essence" AND divine nature. (1 Cor.12:13)

The TRI-UNE GOD is ONE GOD unified in spiritual essence and nature and character.
1. "The Father and I (Jesus) are ONE (John 10)...in spiritual essence ONLY...
2. But discerned as different spiritual Persons of the TRI-UNE GOD in RANK, ROLE, FUNCTIONS, NAMES, etc

In many ROLES / FUNCTIONS, God the Father (YHWH?) RANKS ABOVE both God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

For example

Genesis 1:26-28 (NASB)...ALLOWS for a PLURAL GOD
26 Then God (Elohim - plural - pre-existent one) said,
"Let Us make man in Our (spiritual) image, according to Our (soul?) likeness;

Mattthew 3: 16-17: The Beginning of Jesus' Ministry
As soon as Jesus (God the Son) was baptized, he went up out of the water.
At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God (God the Holy Spirit) descending like (in the form of) a dove and lighting on him.
And a voice (God the Father) from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

Mark 9:7
Then a cloud formed, overshadowing them (Jesus + 3), and a voice (God the Father) came out of the cloud,
"This is My beloved Son, listen to Him!"

John 14:26 (NIV)...a new promise by Jesus...a snapshot of the TRI-UNE God
"When the Counselor (God the Holy Spirit) comes,
whom I (God the Son/Jesus) will send to you from the Father (God the Father),
the Spirit of TRUTH (God the Holy Spirit) who goes out from the Father (God the Father),
he (the Spirit of TRUTH) will testify (to the spirit of Man) about me. (God the Son/Jesus)

John 14:26(NASB)
26 But the Helper, (God) the Holy Spirit,
whom (God) the Father will send in My (God the Son's) name,
He will teach you all things, and
bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. (PERFECT SPIRITUAL RECALL!)

Matthew 28: 18 - The End of the Ministry - Post Resurrection and Pre-Ascension... The Great Commission
Then Jesus came to them (11 disciples) and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Therefore a. go and b. make disciples of all nations, c. baptizing them (BELIEVING DISCIPLES!) in the name

of (God) the Father and

of (God) the Son and

of (God) the Holy Spirit,

and d. teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

Colossians 2 :8-9;
For in Christ all the fullness of the DEITY lives in bodily form,
and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.

Colossians 1 :15-19
For God was pleased to have all his fullness (of DEITY) dwell in Him,
and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven,
by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross

Phillipians 2...The Kenosis...DEITY poured out into perfect flesh without loss or change in Deity

Romans 15:30 (NIV)...in prayer
I urge you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ (God the Son/Jesus)
and by the love of the Spirit (God the Holy Spirit), to join me in my struggle by praying to God (God the Father) for me.

2 Corinthians 13:14 (NIV)...in goodbyes

May the grace of The Lord Jesus Christ (God the Son/Jesus) ,
and the love of God (God the Father), and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit (God the Holy Spirit) be with you all.

 

[Ron Gurley]

John 14:16
[ Role of the Spirit ] I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

John 15:26
“When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me,

 

[ViaCrucis]

What is the difference between YHVH and YHWH?

Nothing. The Hebrew letter Vav is also Waw and can be pronounced as "v" or "w", it depends, the same with the letter Shin which can be pronounced "s" or "sh", it depends. YHVH and YHWH are both correct Latinizations of the four letters Yod-Hah-Vav-Hah.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Yahchristian]

There is only one eternal spirit....named Yahweh...NO.

How many eternal spirits do you believe there are?

I say one.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Nothing. The Hebrew letter Vav is also Waw and can be pronounced as "v" or "w", it depends, the same with the letter Shin which can be pronounced "s" or "sh", it depends. YHVH and YHWH are both correct Latinizations of the four letters Yod-Hah-Vav-Hah.

-CryptoLutheran

Ok it must be that I see YHWH more often than so the other seems wrong.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Ok it must be that I see YHWH more often than so the other seems wrong.

YHWH is far more common. I've been in the habit of using YHVH mostly by convention since the letter in question is a Vav, and the most common theory is that the four letter name of God is related to the Hebrew verb HVH (havah or haveh) meaning "to be" as in haveh asher haveh, "I AM that I AM" or "I will be what I will be", as such YHVH possibly means something like "[He] that is".

There's no real difference between YHWH or YHVH though, except that YHWH is more conventional, as far as I know. Given the clues we do have, though the pronunciation has been lost to us, reconstructions which use the Waw sounding form of Vav may be more accurate, which is why "Yahweh" is considered a fair approximate, or at least a pretty good guess. Also considering that Samaritan priests continue to use the Name, though Samaritans likewise share the same basic prohibition against casual use of the Name, pronouncing it "Yahwa", and in antiquity there were attempts at trying to capture the pronunciation using Greek letters, such as Iao (Ιαώ).

I think what is important to keep in mind is that since we can't be certain of the exact pronunciation, any attempt to insist on a particular pronunciation, and to criticize anyone who doesn't (for example Jehovah's Witnesses and Sacred Namers) is fundamentally flawed since we simply don't know the right pronunciation and if that were a matter of great importance then we're all rather hopeless. Fortunately it doesn't matter, not really, outside of it being mostly an academic or linguistic interest; as far as our faith goes it simply doesn't matter. The Apostles and Evangelists used the same convention which the LXX used, which was to render the Name with the Greek word kurios, Lord.

-CryptoLutheran