WWJD Did Jesus Pray to Mary?

[Hammster]

You mean apart from God ?

Yes

 

[Jipsah]

If Mary was perfect, would Jesus needed to have come?

Of course. Jesus is God Incarnate, not simply a "perfect person". She is the God Bearer, not God.

 

[timothyu]

Of course.

Yet it was Jesus who was the only one to completely follow the will of the Father, or He would have served no purpose for His sacrifice.

 

[Jipsah]

Especially when Paul states they are in fact Demon Sprits.

Buddha wasn't a Demon Spirit. He was just this one dude.

 

[prodromos]

Yet it was Jesus who was the only one to completely follow the will of the Father, or He would have served no purpose for His sacrifice.

The purpose of His sacrifice was to destroy death, which only God, as man, could do.

 

[timothyu]

Yes as only God could induce resurrection. However it required a perfect lamb and He was the only one

The purpose of His sacrifice was to destroy death, which only God, as man, could do

 

[David Lamb]

Who has suggested that?

Well, the very title of this thread is "Did Jesus Pray to Mary?" I assume from that that the person who asked the question thought there was at least a possibility that the answer might be "Yes". I am pleased to say that as far as I have noticed, nobody has in fact replied "Yes".

 

[David Lamb]

Who has suggested that?

Well, the very title of this thread is "Did Jesus Pray to Mary?" I assume from that that the person who asked the question thought there was at least a possibility that the answer might be "Yes". I am pleased to say that as far as I have noticed, nobody has in fact replied "Yes".

Irrelevant

If you say that Scripture itself doesn't teach that Scripture contains all that is necessary, that strongly implies that you believe you must add to what is in the Scriptures to obtain all that is necessary. So I don't think that is irrelevant.

 

[ozso]

Well, the very title of this thread is "Did Jesus Pray to Mary?" I assume from that that the person who asked the question thought there was at least a possibility that the answer might be "Yes". I am pleased to say that as far as I have noticed, nobody has in fact replied "Yes".

The question doesn't make much sense. There's no indication that Jesus and Mary spent too much time apart, so he probably just simply talked to his mom.

 

[ozso]

The fact is there's nothing in post resurrection early church writings that say anything about Mary (other than in Acts 1:14). Paul didn't say anything about her, nor did Peter or even John in his epistles. The apostolic fathers and early church fathers who followed right after them said nothing about her being perfect, the queen of heaven, her hearing our prayers, praying to her etc. There's simply nothing to go by along those lines.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Buddha wasn't a Demon Spirit. He was just this one dude.

Well you will have to take that up with Paul.

1 Corinthians 10:20
No, but I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God; and I do not want you to become sharers in demons.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Yes

I think we would need to agree on the definition of venerate first. Then I could give a considered answer.

 

[Hammster]

I think we would need to agree on the definition of venerate first. Then I could give a considered answer.

to regard or treat with reverence; revere

 

[Hammster]

Venerating Buddha or any pagan entity would be a violation of the first commandment. Ugh

I asked you why earlier. You never answered.

 

[Carl Emerson]

to regard or treat with reverence; revere

Deep respect then... Yes there is a place for that. Paul even said that he should be imitated...

 

[ozso]

to regard or treat with reverence; revere

Oxford Languages says other words similar to venerate are hallow, exalt, worship, deify, idolize.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Oxford Languages says other words similar to venerate are hallow, exalt, worship, deify, idolize.

Then we have to carefully define what we are talking about.

 

[ozso]

Then we have to carefully define what we are talking about.

Based on past conversations I've had with those who venerate Mary, it's not easy to pin down. A more precise offcial description is probably found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. But there are also writings by clergy over the centuries venerating Mary that take it quite far. Icons and illustrations as well.

 

[concretecamper]

If you say that Scripture itself doesn't teach that Scripture contains all that is necessary, that strongly implies that you believe you must add to what is in the Scriptures to obtain all that is necessary. So I don't think that is irrelevant.

I'm not implying anything. I am following what Jesus taught. Jesus taught that we should listen to the Church. You are the one adding to Scripture if you say that "Scripture contains all that is necessary". The Bible doesn't claim that, you do.

 

[David Lamb]

I'm not implying anything. I am following what Jesus taught. Jesus taught that we should listen to the Church. You are the one adding to Scripture if you say that "Scripture contains all that is necessary"

Where did Jesus say that the church was to teach things that are not in the bible? I just don't see how you can say that "the church" can add to what is in the bible, and yet then say that I am the one adding to Scripture.