Wow. Talk about distortion of Scripture.

[GenemZ]

Ah, and how interesting. Another reference to the Hebrew words and again it even says "especially idolatry" and yet no one even seems to consider that part of it.

Such sexual perversions were practiced routinely with pagan rituals. So, it was included in especially with an association with idolatry.

Where was 'that part of the law abolished'? So only the part that contains 'male with male' was kept? So then anyone who curses their parent should be put to death, anyone that commits adultery should be put to death, anyone that has sex with a menstruating woman should be exiled? Or was it just that one particular verse kept and the entire rest of Leviticus was 'abolished'? (oh, except bestiality since you agree to keep that one also)

Leviticus 20:9 nasb
"If there is anyone who curses his father or his mother, he shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother, his bloodguiltiness is upon him."

When a parent was "cursed." It speaks of practicing pagan witchcraft which was prevalent in the lands around Israel. It was the same word for Balaam when he was to put a curse on the Jews. It was used by God when he referred to "cursing and blessing."

How convienient that the part that was 'abolished' were all the inconvienient parts but those that were kept are the easy ones, the ones that justify certain prejudices.

There are differences in the law. One has to do with civil law. The other had to do with dietary law. Not the same things. Some parts of the law were symolic in nature.

Stealing is still sin. Lying is still sin. Jealousy is still sin. Arrogance is still sin. The dietary law was based upon God wanting the Jews to see themselves as a separated people from the world. When God introduced the Gentiles into his kingdom on equal footing with the Jew, the dietary law was abolished to make this point. (Acts 10:10-19) Apparently, certain parts of the law were symbolic. Just like the lamb without spot and blemish symbolized the death of Christ. Finding certain animals as "filthy" and to be seen as destestable, represented a need for staying away from the degenerate practices of the pagans surrounding Israel.

He still sees adultery as a sin, eh? Then I ask this of you (since you were asking me about bestiality) ... This coming Sunday will you, genez, walk into your Church and demand that every single person who has divorced and remarried beg God's forgiveness and leave their new spouse because they are adulterous and living in sin? Will you or have you done that?

Not my place to do that. And, the blood of Christ covers all sins and when acknowledged to God, are now completely forgiven. Yet, Jesus said we are forgiven, but go and sin no more. God does the disciplining of rebellious believers. He does not need, nor want, my help. All one can do is to teach what the Word says. Then, its between the believer and the Lord. The only time its called for a public disclosure, is when a sin is witnessed by two or three, and it involves those in Church authority over others.

1 Timothy 5:19-21
"Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses. Those who sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning.
I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions without partiality, and to do nothing out of favoritism."

No, i'm sure you haven't and wouldn't (though hey, you might have! Who am I to know ). This is what I mean, it's convienient to make excuses for divorce (and consequently adultery) in spite of the fact that Jesus himself told us we cannot divorce!

We can if there was adultery on one spouses part. But, Jesus never said that there should not be a separation of two who can not get along. They simply can not remarry.

Sad how the things Jesus told us not to do we can rationalize away but the things He didn't mention we hold to as if they were matters of life and death. Bleh, I've said enough.

We entered into a new dispensation in the Church age. God's kingdom was not to be held in isolation (Israel). He no longer had to guarantee the survival of the seed to bring forth the Messiah. The strict civil law was given as to guarantee the survival of the Jewish people so the Messiah could come.

Galatians 3:19a niv
"What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come."

That is why the Law had to be so strict as to strike fear into the hearts of those who might have been tempted to mix with the wrong seed (Gentiles).

Adultery and homosexuality was a sign of degeneracy. It was a sign of being seduced outside of the system that would lead to finding God's love. God could not allow for the spread of degeneracy throughout Israel if the Messiah was to come through the seed of David. The Law was very severe in sexual sins for that reason!

Adultery and homosexuality was commonplace amongst the heathen nations. God wanted to strike fear in the hearts of the Jews as to not to wander away from his plan. After Jesus came into the world and finished the work he came to accomplish, certain aspects of the law were nailed to the cross in Christ. There is no more death sentence for certain sexual sins. Yet, God's attitude toward such sin was known and established by such severe condemnation in the Law.

Sodom was to "serve as an example" of how God feels towards such actions. God is not firing down fire and brimstone on San Francisco or Provincetown today. But, men are aware of how God thinks about such behavior. That is why he has Sodom to be an example.

2 Peter 2:6 niv
"if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly."

God got the word out. He does not need to set another example. Men know how he thinks about such matters. Same goes for the sins prescribing the death penalty in the Law. We know God is not pleased with such things.

Grace and peace, GeneZ

 

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[AwesomeMachine]

The Truth is homosexual males are the spawn of the "raped virgin". I am
only going to explain male homosexuality in this post. When a virgin is
raped, and conceives a child, this child is cursed with the stain of
the rape. This does not make the child bad. This child will give rise
to people who produce that which will avenge the virgin. Her innocence
was stolen from her, violently. Her lineage will contain those members
who will rape the innocence out of all mankind. **(Brian Swansword, “The
Theology of Innocence” P.82)** There is no greater rape of innocence
than sodomy. Even being exposed to the concept is violence. It is an
abonimable act, forbidden in The New Testament **(Holy Bible I
Corinthians Chapter 6)**. If a person is male homosexual, this is
call to celibacy from God. It is only through the Love of your
heavenly Father that you will be able to remain celibate(Nature itself).
The New Testament also states: "If a man lies with another man as a
man lies with a woman, he shall take his sin into his own body for
doing that which is unseemly" **(Holy Bible NAB Romans Chapter 1)**.

To allow male homosexuals to engage in sodomy is to have the
innocence of all mankind robbed away **(Brian Swansword, “The Theology
of Innocence” P.83)**. This act will make everyone guilty of
sodomy.**(The Bible specifically states that complicity with the
sin of another makes you guilty of it. Complicity includes
counsel, participation, apostasy, example, tolerance, indifference,
commission, oppression)** The Bible specifically says, in The new
Testament, "no sodomites will be allowed into the kingdom of
God"**(Holy Bible I Corinthians Chapter 6)**. If your brother sins,
confront him, out of love for him, alone. If he refuses to repent,
take him before several members of the Church. If he still will
not repent, take him before the whole congregation. If he still will
not repent, expel him from your midst**(Holy Bible Matthew Chapter 18)**.

The homosexual male must repent, or be expelled. If sodomy is
tolerated, and we permitted, or even condoned it, we are guilty of
sodomy, too(see above citations).

I have some people I know who are homosexual. They disagree with me,
and think sodomy is just a really cool way to have sex. They actually
lust after this. I think Jesus would have something to say about all
the sodomy going on(my personal opinion), although I don't think he
would condemn people for simply having homosexual attraction(my
personal opinion). I don't think Jesus would ask them to change,
unless they really, truly wanted to be heterosexual(my personal
opinion). Then I think Jesus would cure them just like he cured
everyone else who had faith(my personal opinion).

Brian Swansword is a well known evangelist in the area of release from
family curses.
His ministry is regional, and he functions under the assumtion that
if God is leading someone to him, they will find him.
The scriptural basis for his work is explained in another
work called, "Biblical Basis of Generational Curses". I have verified
Brian's Divine revelations by the authority given to me by The Holy Spirit,
in The Name of Jesus. It is the Testimony of The Almighty God. If
you disagree, take it to prayer. Be open. God will show you how
you have been injured. He is very gentle. If you are a homosexual,
all you need to do to become heterosexual is repent of the curse of the
raped virgin. Here is a prayer: "God, I confess raping the virgin, and
bearing the vengeance of the raped virgin. I confess sodomy, oral sex,
and other unnatural vice. I honor all of my blood relatives, and
those by the spirit of adoption, or godparents, but I reject their sin.
I forgive my entire family lineage for cursing me with homosexuality.
Jesus, I ask that you forgive my entire blood relation for all their sins.
I take responsibility for the sin of my entire blood relation,
including my own sin. I ask that by the Sacrifice of Jesus all
the sins I confess, including all the sins of all my ancestors,
be forgiven, and I be set free from prison. I claim the freedom
given to me by the blood of Jesus."

This prayer works. I have seen it work.
me

 

[ascribe2thelord]

http://www.taac.us/wiki/index.php/On_Inclusiveness




If that is so, then why in the next few lines after the bolded part (bolded by the author of the article) does it completely contradict that very statement about "knowing" someone?

Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man. I pray you, let me bring them out to you, and you do to them as you see fit. But do nothing to these men, for this is why they came under the shadow of my roof.

And why does Lot say not to act evilly to the men if they simply wanted to be introduced to the strangers??

Sheesh. Does anyone else here see someone making the Bible read what they want it to say?

I see someone who doesn't know their Early Modern English!!! The same KJV that says "known" for the sodomites also says "known" for Adam and Eve.

 

[Joykins]

The Truth is homosexual males are the spawn of the "raped virgin". I am
only going to explain male homosexuality in this post. When a virgin is
raped, and conceives a child, this child is cursed with the stain of
the rape. This does not make the child bad. This child will give rise
to people who produce that which will avenge the virgin. Her innocence
was stolen from her, violently. Her lineage will contain those members
who will rape the innocence out of all mankind. **(Brian Swansword, “The
Theology of Innocence” P.82)** There is no greater rape of innocence
than sodomy. Even being exposed to the concept is violence. It is an
abonimable act, forbidden in The New Testament **(Holy Bible I
Corinthians Chapter 6)**. If a person is male homosexual, this is
call to celibacy from God. It is only through the Love of your
heavenly Father that you will be able to remain celibate(Nature itself).
The New Testament also states: "If a man lies with another man as a
man lies with a woman, he shall take his sin into his own body for
doing that which is unseemly" **(Holy Bible NAB Romans Chapter 1)**.

To allow male homosexuals to engage in sodomy is to have the
innocence of all mankind robbed away **(Brian Swansword, “The Theology
of Innocence” P.83)**. This act will make everyone guilty of
sodomy.**(The Bible specifically states that complicity with the
sin of another makes you guilty of it. Complicity includes
counsel, participation, apostasy, example, tolerance, indifference,
commission, oppression)** The Bible specifically says, in The new
Testament, "no sodomites will be allowed into the kingdom of
God"**(Holy Bible I Corinthians Chapter 6)**. If your brother sins,
confront him, out of love for him, alone. If he refuses to repent,
take him before several members of the Church. If he still will
not repent, take him before the whole congregation. If he still will
not repent, expel him from your midst**(Holy Bible Matthew Chapter 18)**.

The homosexual male must repent, or be expelled. If sodomy is
tolerated, and we permitted, or even condoned it, we are guilty of
sodomy, too(see above citations).

I have some people I know who are homosexual. They disagree with me,
and think sodomy is just a really cool way to have sex. They actually
lust after this. I think Jesus would have something to say about all
the sodomy going on(my personal opinion), although I don't think he
would condemn people for simply having homosexual attraction(my
personal opinion). I don't think Jesus would ask them to change,
unless they really, truly wanted to be heterosexual(my personal
opinion). Then I think Jesus would cure them just like he cured
everyone else who had faith(my personal opinion).

Brian Swansword is a well known evangelist in the area of release from
family curses.
His ministry is regional, and he functions under the assumtion that
if God is leading someone to him, they will find him.
The scriptural basis for his work is explained in another
work called, "Biblical Basis of Generational Curses". I have verified
Brian's Divine revelations by the authority given to me by The Holy Spirit,
in The Name of Jesus. It is the Testimony of The Almighty God. If
you disagree, take it to prayer. Be open. God will show you how
you have been injured. He is very gentle. If you are a homosexual,
all you need to do to become heterosexual is repent of the curse of the
raped virgin. Here is a prayer: "God, I confess raping the virgin, and
bearing the vengeance of the raped virgin. I confess sodomy, oral sex,
and other unnatural vice. I honor all of my blood relatives, and
those by the spirit of adoption, or godparents, but I reject their sin.
I forgive my entire family lineage for cursing me with homosexuality.
Jesus, I ask that you forgive my entire blood relation for all their sins.
I take responsibility for the sin of my entire blood relation,
including my own sin. I ask that by the Sacrifice of Jesus all
the sins I confess, including all the sins of all my ancestors,
be forgiven, and I be set free from prison. I claim the freedom
given to me by the blood of Jesus."

This prayer works. I have seen it work.
me

see thread title.

 

[herev]

The Truth is homosexual males are the spawn of the "raped virgin". I am
only going to explain male homosexuality in this post. When a virgin is
raped, and conceives a child, this child is cursed with the stain of
the rape. This does not make the child bad. This child will give rise
to people who produce that which will avenge the virgin. Her innocence
was stolen from her, violently. Her lineage will contain those members
who will rape the innocence out of all mankind. **(Brian Swansword, “The
Theology of Innocence” P.82)**

this is perhaps the strangest thing I have ever heard by someone presupposing to be serious

 

[AngelusSax]

The Truth is homosexual males are the spawn of the "raped virgin". I am
only going to explain male homosexuality in this post. When a virgin is
raped, and conceives a child, this child is cursed with the stain of
the rape. This does not make the child bad. This child will give rise
to people who produce that which will avenge the virgin. Her innocence
was stolen from her, violently. Her lineage will contain those members
who will rape the innocence out of all mankind. **(Brian Swansword, “The
Theology of Innocence” P.82)**

Breaking news at 11. Local Theologian arrested for molesting everyone he sees...... with crackpot theories....

 

[AwesomeMachine]

The Truth is homosexual males are the spawn of the "raped virgin". I am
only going to explain male homosexuality in this post. When a virgin is
raped, and conceives a child, this child is cursed with the stain of
the rape. This does not make the child bad. This child will give rise
to people who produce that which will avenge the virgin. Her innocence
was stolen from her, violently. Her lineage will contain those members
who will rape the innocence out of all mankind. **(Brian Swansword, “The
Theology of Innocence” P.82)** There is no greater rape of innocence
than sodomy. Even being exposed to the concept is violence. It is an
abonimable act, forbidden in The New Testament **(Holy Bible I
Corinthians Chapter 6)**. If a person is male homosexual, this is
call to celibacy from God. It is only through the Love of your
heavenly Father that you will be able to remain celibate(Nature itself).
The New Testament also states: "If a man lies with another man as a
man lies with a woman, he shall take his sin into his own body for
doing that which is unseemly" **(Holy Bible NAB Romans Chapter 1)**.

To allow male homosexuals to engage in sodomy is to have the
innocence of all mankind robbed away **(Brian Swansword, “The Theology
of Innocence” P.83)**. This act will make everyone guilty of
sodomy.**(The Bible specifically states that complicity with the
sin of another makes you guilty of it. Complicity includes
counsel, participation, apostasy, example, tolerance, indifference,
commission, oppression)** The Bible specifically says, in The new
Testament, "no sodomites will be allowed into the kingdom of
God"**(Holy Bible I Corinthians Chapter 6)**. If your brother sins,
confront him, out of love for him, alone. If he refuses to repent,
take him before several members of the Church. If he still will
not repent, take him before the whole congregation. If he still will
not repent, expel him from your midst**(Holy Bible Matthew Chapter 18)**.

The homosexual male must repent, or be expelled. If sodomy is
tolerated, and we permitted, or even condoned it, we are guilty of
sodomy, too(see above citations).

I have some people I know who are homosexual. They disagree with me,
and think sodomy is just a really cool way to have sex. They actually
lust after this. I think Jesus would have something to say about all
the sodomy going on(my personal opinion), although I don't think he
would condemn people for simply having homosexual attraction(my
personal opinion). I don't think Jesus would ask them to change,
unless they really, truly wanted to be heterosexual(my personal
opinion). Then I think Jesus would cure them just like he cured
everyone else who had faith(my personal opinion).

Brian Swansword is a well known evangelist in the area of release from
family curses.
His ministry is regional, and he functions under the assumtion that
if God is leading someone to him, they will find him.
The scriptural basis for his work is explained in another
work called, "Biblical Basis of Generational Curses". I have verified
Brian's Divine revelations by the authority given to me by The Holy Spirit,
in The Name of Jesus. It is the Testimony of The Almighty God. If
you disagree, take it to prayer. Be open. God will show you how
you have been injured. He is very gentle. If you are a homosexual,
all you need to do to become heterosexual is repent of the curse of the
raped virgin. Here is a prayer: "God, I confess raping the virgin, and
bearing the vengeance of the raped virgin. I confess sodomy, oral sex,
and other unnatural vice. I honor all of my blood relatives, and
those by the spirit of adoption, or godparents, but I reject their sin.
I forgive my entire family lineage for cursing me with homosexuality.
Jesus, I ask that you forgive my entire blood relation for all their sins.
I take responsibility for the sin of my entire blood relation,
including my own sin. I ask that by the Sacrifice of Jesus all
the sins I confess, including all the sins of all my ancestors,
be forgiven, and I be set free from prison. I claim the freedom
given to me by the blood of Jesus."

This prayer works. I have seen it work.
me

Those who do not practice The Truth can only criticise it. What part of the content of this post is in dispute. I only speak what I hear, and only out of love for Jesus. Jesus told The Truth as He heard it from The Father. I tell what I hear from Jesus. That is why I state: if you disagree, take it to prayer. If you are homosexual, just say the prayer I have enclosed. Don't be afraid. Invite another Christian to say it with you if that makes you feel better. We all suffer the perils of sodomy. I only ask for one less sodomite because of this post. Will one person say the prayer I have heard, and here recorded. There is one very special person it is meant for. It is someone God loves very much. It is someone who wants to be free.

 

[ebia]

Are you really Catholic? Because you seem to post a lot of stuff that is, let's say, not quite the official Catholic line.

 

[wblastyn]

The Truth is homosexual males are the spawn of the "raped virgin".....

Are you actually for real? This is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard.

 

[NPH]

Are you really Catholic? Because you seem to post a lot of stuff that is, let's say, not quite the official Catholic line.

I've wondered the same thing myself ebia, but haven't said anything. I'd never heard any of this as a Catholic (which I still nominally am) and it really seems to not line up with the catechism at all. I've been hoping some active Catholic would come along to say something about it.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.