Would You Support A Christian Theocracy?

[lismore]

i am not taling about a Denomination specific theocracy I am speaking of a gospel.scripture based theocracy.

what do you think?

Hi there

I take theocracy= rule by God, we are going to get that real soon. Jesus Christ is the King who is coming soon to rule over his kingdom. We cant have it without him because all human beings are tainted and eventually any Christian state would descend into power squabbles, rivalry, lust and jealousy.

Maranatha Lord Jesus

 

[Evee]

Hi there

I take theocracy= rule by God, we are going to get that real soon. Jesus Christ is the King who is coming soon to rule over his kingdom. We cant have it without him because all human beings are tainted and eventually any Christian state would descend into power squabbles, rivalry, lust and jealousy.

Maranatha Lord Jesus

Exactly, Exactly that is what I have been trying to say and for some reason couldn't get my point across for some reason. Thanks!

 

[Andyman_1970]

I voted no for a number of reasons.......

As a Christian we are to celebrate free speech. Paul in his letter to the Romans exercises that very thing, saying that Jesus is Lord and not Caesar (which people were routinely killed for). The Christian faith was birthed out of decent and subversion. The right to speak against the Empire (in Paul’s case that would be Rome) is a Biblical value.

Most of the Bible is written by people living under empires that were hostile to the God of Israel, most of the time they (the authors of the Scriptures) were a persecuted minority.

Notice in 1 Peter 2:11-17

11Dear friends, I urge you, as foreigners and
exiles, to abstain from sinful desires, which war
against your soul. 12Live such good lives among
the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing
wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify
God on the day he visits us.
13Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every
human authority: whether to the emperor, as
the supreme authority, 14or to governors, who are
sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to
commend those who do right. 15For it is God’s
will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant
talk of the foolish. 16Live as free people,
but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for
evil; live as God’s slaves. 17Show proper respect
to everyone, love your fellow believers, fear God,
honor the emperor.

Notice Peter says to honor the emperor, remember Peter is writing to people at a time when the emperor was setting people on fire to use as illumination for his outdoor parties at night. Now when Peter says “do good” or “do good deeds” he’s referencing the Hebraic idea that by doing good deeds for others we repair and restore the world to how God intended it to be. This includes standing with those who have no voice, seeking justice, taking care of the poor, etc. This is why it’s so toxic when churches join up with political parties and start talking about power, and political influence. This is why it’s so toxic when a group of Christians get together and say “vote like us and we could take over”.

The church is about finding those who have no voice, and standing with them. The church is not about accumulating all this power becoming this empire that forces people to live a certain way. The church is about giving away power and joining those who are suffering the most and saying “how can we serve you?” Jesus says those pagans want power and stuff like that, who can rule over who, but Jesus says we are to be different, we are to serve. Jesus Himself says He came to serve not be served.

I believe the church is at her best when she quietly and humbly stands with those who have been marginalized and oppressed and says “how can we serve you?” That IMO is what will change the world, not getting more political power.

 

[Trish1947]

I voted no.


I think God's Kingdom exists wheather we see it in people or not. Evil laws and governments has existed since the beginning of time and has a shelf life that runs it's coarse, then God allows house cleaning to be done, and restores rightousness and peace. I believe that we get more done through prayer than any uprising of God's people. The weapons of our warfare are not carnel, but spiritual to the pulling down of strongholds, as the Bible says. We might appear to be the silent minority to humanity, But I bet to that spirit world, nothing looks more frightening than a Christian on his knees.

 

[KingZzub]

I voted no for a number of reasons.......

As a Christian we are to celebrate free speech. Paul in his letter to the Romans exercises that very thing, saying that Jesus is Lord and not Caesar (which people were routinely killed for). The Christian faith was birthed out of decent and subversion. The right to speak against the Empire (in Paul’s case that would be Rome) is a Biblical value.

Most of the Bible is written by people living under empires that were hostile to the God of Israel, most of the time they (the authors of the Scriptures) were a persecuted minority.

Notice in 1 Peter 2:11-17


Notice Peter says to honor the emperor, remember Peter is writing to people at a time when the emperor was setting people on fire to use as illumination for his outdoor parties at night. Now when Peter says “do good” or “do good deeds” he’s referencing the Hebraic idea that by doing good deeds for others we repair and restore the world to how God intended it to be. This includes standing with those who have no voice, seeking justice, taking care of the poor, etc. This is why it’s so toxic when churches join up with political parties and start talking about power, and political influence. This is why it’s so toxic when a group of Christians get together and say “vote like us and we could take over”.

The church is about finding those who have no voice, and standing with them. The church is not about accumulating all this power becoming this empire that forces people to live a certain way. The church is about giving away power and joining those who are suffering the most and saying “how can we serve you?” Jesus says those pagans want power and stuff like that, who can rule over who, but Jesus says we are to be different, we are to serve. Jesus Himself says He came to serve not be served.

I believe the church is at her best when she quietly and humbly stands with those who have been marginalized and oppressed and says “how can we serve you?” That IMO is what will change the world, not getting more political power.

I think there is a world of difference between having Christians in power and having the church in power. I am in favour of the former and firmly against the latter.

Cheers,
|ZZ|

 

[psalms 91]

I believe that if this country doesnt go back to its roots and keeps thumbing its nose at God it will follow all the other empires that fell. The bible says it gets worse and worse and it is interesting that a world power such as us is not mentioned very much regarding end times prophecy. Just something to think about.

 

[KingZzub]

I believe that if this country doesnt go back to its roots and keeps thumbing its nose at God it will follow all the other empires that fell. The bible says it gets worse and worse and it is interesting that a world power such as us is not mentioned very much regarding end times prophecy. Just something to think about.

I am getting out of here before the tribulation though...

Cheers,
|ZZ|

 

[FrankFaith]

ABSOLUTELY!!!--as long as the governing officials are not mortal--I LONG FOR IT EVERY DAY!!!

 

[psalms 91]

I am getting out of here before the tribulation though...

Cheers,
|ZZ|

That doesnt mean that we wont see and go through some very rough times. Part of what I get from the Lord is how to prepare and be ready for what is coming that doesnt tell me that I will escape it all and I dont think any others will either. This is why I stress hearing the voice of the Spirit so much, it will be vital to survival for Christians.

 

[Evee]

That doesnt mean that we wont see and go through some very rough times. Part of what I get from the Lord is how to prepare and be ready for what is coming that doesnt tell me that I will escape it all and I dont think any others will either. This is why I stress hearing the voice of the Spirit so much, it will be vital to survival for Christians.

I believe this is true also.
Sounds good to get on out of here but I don't believe this is the way it will be.

 

[lismore]

I believe that if this country doesnt go back to its roots and keeps thumbing its nose at God it will follow all the other empires that fell. The bible says it gets worse and worse and it is interesting that a world power such as us is not mentioned very much regarding end times prophecy. Just something to think about.

Heres a article along those lines you might be interested in:

http://www.realtime.net/~wdoud/topics/fivecycles.html

 

[PACKY]

I believe that if this country doesnt go back to its roots and keeps thumbing its nose at God it will follow all the other empires that fell. The bible says it gets worse and worse and it is interesting that a world power such as us is not mentioned very much regarding end times prophecy. Just something to think about.

very true....but who will get our country back to its Judeo-Christian roots?
there is a saying 'Politics is much to Important to leave it to the politicians'
it takes Christian people who are willing to stand up and go that extra mile for what they beleive in and put their money where there mouths are....

 

[psalms 91]

Heres a article along those lines you might be interested in:

http://www.realtime.net/~wdoud/topics/fivecycles.html

Thank you lismore and yes it does fit as I have had a vison of a major city being destroyed by fire and a vision of the united states with the eastern seaboard covered in smoke and from what I havbe been led to learn and do I believe that there is a terrrible time of persecution coming soon for Christians and also civil war

 

[psalms 91]

very true....but who will get our country back to its Judeo-Christian roots?
there is a saying 'Politics is much to Important to leave it to the politicians'
it takes Christian people who are willing to stand up and go that extra mile for what they beleive in and put their money where there mouths are....

I agree and if Christians would stick together they could get their agenda passed and elect their own people, I have little hope of this happening for a couple of reasons.

 

[ascribe2thelord]

That wasnt a true Theocracy...Lets not forget that during that time period common people did not have acess to the actual scripture
private home bibles did not exist at that point.
People went off what they were told.

Isn't that the problem today? Giving people access to the Bible does nothing unless they actually read it for what it is.

We still only listen to what we're told.

"Judge not lest ye be judged"- initially meant otherwise, but now it means, don't knock homosexuality/adultery/other sexual sin

"In the beginning God created ... " - duh. But now we believe in evolution.

"You must be born again ... "- we see the Gospel as a convenience.

"Repent ye ... " - forget it.

You see, God's Word or not, if people fail to read it, it doesn't work.

Theocracy wouldn't work either. It used to be that way, but people forgot God, and now we use our former "theocracy" to support liberal causes - gay marriage and abortion for example.

I don't believe God intended for man to be governered by himself.

 

[Andyman_1970]

I think there is a world of difference between having Christians in power and having the church in power. I am in favour of the former and firmly against the latter.

Cheers,
|ZZ|

And where does Jesus teach His followers to seek power, esspecially political power????

Check out Matthew 20:25-27........

 

[Sabertooth]

No, not until Jesus returns, at least. He is the only one who could pull it off [In anyone else's hands it will quickly be revealed as a religious dictatorship]. Even then it will be a Thearchy. Until then a democracy is the best choice we have available.

 

[Sabertooth]

Ok..If not a full blown theocracy would you want christian values and principles written into law?

Only if one could make a case for those principles apart from the Bible.

 

[Trish1947]

If we look at it from God's perspective, he wants willing hearts. What would this do to future hopes of them seeing and experiancing the love of God, and the conviction of the Holy Spirit? Forced obediance doesn't work. Ever think how we might have reacted when we were rebellious and if we lived under a theocracy? We might have never seen the truth. Gods timing is crucial when dealing with people and hearts being changed. Wouldn't this be more like answering to the law again, without a changed heart?

 

[Evee]

If we look at it from God's perspective, he wants willing hearts. What would this do to future hopes of them seeing and experiancing the love of God, and the conviction of the Holy Spirit? Forced obediance doesn't work. Ever think how we might have reacted when we were rebellious and if we lived under a theocracy? We might have never seen the truth. Gods timing is crucial when dealing with people and hearts being changed. Wouldn't this be more like answering to the law again, without a changed heart?

Yes I believe this to be so.
Also many want to rush in and do the job that jesus promised he would and the human in us would create utter chaos.
We just have to be patient and keep Jesus promise close to and in our heart.