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So, I just leave him be. I was not intending to end the thread.
I’m asking about an honest hypothetical in which your views are in error and universalism is in fact Gods desire and plan for the world.
So the question is “would you prefer it if Christian universalism were true?” The question isn’t “would you prefer it if Satan and his angels won?”
For the sake of an honest hypothetical I’m asking that you first allow for the possibility that your views are mistaken and that Christian Universalism is correct.
Would you prefer it if your views were in error but the whole of the world will be saved?
That view of Christian Universalism may or may not contain the redemption of Satan and his angels. That’s not been specified in the topic and you’re free to pick the kind of universalism where only every human being is ultimately reconciled to God the Father, not every rebellious angel.
A complete explanation to the same guy that wrote this. - lolFor the sake of an honest hypothetical I’m asking that you first allow for the possibility that your views are mistaken and that Christian Universalism is correct.
But, when someone keeps failing to see what is being stated, its like explaining the punch lines to the only guy in the room who is not laughing and does not get the jokes. Some just can not grasp the spirit of what is being said...
Great post, thanks.... On topic: Over 2000 messages and nobody has provided a persuasive reason why they would prefer that universalism weren’t true.
They have presupposed it’s wrong, they have refused to answer, they’ve even written something to the effect of “I want greater than I can imagine, therefore not universalism because I can imagine universalism,” which was the most hilarious non answer so far. They prefer they don’t know what.
Users have done everything except provide the thread with a coherent reason to prefer another view over the Christian universalist view. God prefers the Christian universalist view. ...
Annihilation is tolerated, but Universalism is disdained.
Yes, it seems that Annihilationism is the more humane sibling of Damnationism. To put those who are suffering out of their misery seems a kinder way to deal with those who are deemed to be put out forever. To correct and restore them seems unthinkable.The best I can imagine at short notice is that annihilationism isn’t radical enough to raise the ire of the damnationist. Believers in ETC still get their pound of human flesh under annihilationism, they have their beliefs in winners and losers and forever punishment sustained by their neighbours in the annihilation camp.
Winners, losers and forever punishment have no enduring place in the Christian universalists picture. They’re largely the odd one out and are treated in a way that reflects that.
What ever your "experiment" is....The best I can imagine at short notice is that annihilationism isn’t radical enough to raise the ire of the damnationist. Believers in ETC still get their pound of human flesh under annihilationism, they have their beliefs in winners and losers and forever punishment sustained by their neighbours in the annihilation camp.
Winners, losers and forever punishment have no enduring place in the Christian universalists picture. They’re largely the odd one out and are treated in a way that reflects that.
Where there is FREEDOM there will be winners and losers found. Not even all angels are equal. That does not mean there is not happiness for all who believe. Even the loser believers will be happy. You seem to not know that.
I would like to see where its going now, now that you have your pet doctrine barking on the lawn again and bothering the neighbors.
You are are giving a political speech, not doctrinal exposition.
Those will be the first to go in... Why will they never be reconciled as you say God wants to do?
This thread died a natural death.
You are not free to change my mind unless to can present objective truth.
He tortures them because they would always harass others who do worship God, trying to make their joy to be a hell for them.
This thread died a natural death. I would like to see where its going now, now that you have your pet doctrine barking on the lawn again and bothering the neighbors.
He tortures them because they would always harass others who do worship God, trying to make their joy to be a hell for them.
Posters should realise how destructive their presuppositional approach is to conversation. I just can’t reply to many users on here because they’re so out to lunch.
Does the truth torture you?Torture is a very strong word. Would you prefer to rephrase that, or are you happy with the word torture?
It's constructive feedback. For free.
Do you realize how destructive that is?
Maybe it’s a choice between my open arrogance or the average Christians false humility.
I don’t see it as destructive because (at least right now) you’re not constructing anything. You reject the purpose of the thread and have avoided on topic questions in favour of pounding on your own theology.
There’s no standing ovation for coming into the topic, rejecting its premise, then challenging posters who are on topic to answer your off topic questions.
Does the truth torture you?
He tortures them because they would always harass others who do worship God, trying to make their joy to be a hell for them.
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