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Weed, possibly. Anything stronger, absolutely not.
I wouldn't date a person who smoked tobacco (I'm severely allergic), or who abused alcohol.
If somebody chose to smoke weed irregularly or rarely with some friends, I wouldn't see that as something that would keep me from dating them.

That being said, I have dated a guy who smoked weed frequently and I wouldn't do it again. It's hard to have a meaningful conversation/relationship with somebody who's constantly high.
 
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Personally I think that's a very corrupt translation. And I thought this picture from the brick testament from Romans 13 was relevent :p

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Personally, you'd be wrong with thinking that, because Peter backs it up as well in 1 Peter chapter 2, which says we are to obey ALL human authority.

As far as Hitler is concerned, it wasn't him that was the problem. It was the Christians who failed to know scripture and allowed evil to unfold, and supported it. Without the support of the common, everyday German Christian, it would have been VERY hard for Hitler to have done anything that he did.
 
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Hitler was not elected Chancellor of Germany by the people of Germany.

No; he was appointed by the Nazi Party, which was democratically elected, albeit by a plurality rather than a majority.

And why should it matter? The Bible doesn't say "obey the laws of the land if they are created by a democratic process". If we are to accept that simplistic and acontextual rendering of scripture, then every government, no matter how corrupt, must be obeyed. Without exception. The Founding Rebels of the USA were in fact in rebellion against God; every Christian who hid escaped slaves was sinning by doing so; every Christian who hid Jews in Nazi Germany deserved to die at the hands of the state, as many did.

But if we hold the laws of the land to a standard of reason and justice, then it is certainly responsible to break those which are unreasonable and unjust. And considering that the laws of the land under which we now live are deliberately fashioned so as to be impossible to follow, being too voluminous to know and frequently contradictory, it is impossible to do otherwise. You can't follow every law without breaking some other law. The average American citizen commits several misdemeanors and a few felonies in a month without ever knowing it. The state has even gone so far as to criminalize, or at least to prohibitively regulate charitable acts - against which acts the apostle Paul wrote that "there can be no law".

Now, as I said, I don't think that drug use is a good idea in general. But the fact that people can and do use drugs that the FDA has banned without becoming addicted or destroying their lives and the lives of others cannot be ignored without resulting in false judgments. Especially considering that there are illegal drugs which are FAR safer than alcohol and many legal pharmaceuticals, and that much of the danger associated with their use results entirely from their having been criminalized (as happened with alcohol during Prohibition).

I recall an incident where a man who has used marijuana to treat his Parkinson's disease confronted Mike Huckabee, who calls himself a Christian, about the possibility of legalizing marijuana for medical use. Huckabee, who claims to follow Christ, laughed in his face. And I suspect that many Christians laughed with him. The media-fueled hatred of drugs and drug users is completely bereft of compassion, grace, and plain reason. It is no position for a Christian to take.

I am not asking people to promote drug use. I am only asking that people stop making ignorant and callous judgments about the issue.
 
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Personally, you'd be wrong with thinking that, because Peter backs it up as well in 1 Peter chapter 2, which says we are to obey ALL human authority.

And of course, every strongman in his territory claims to have authority. But his "authority" is no different in principle from that a rapist has over a much weaker woman. Nothing but the ability to do violence and get away with it. The only difference between the two is that in the former case, people believe him. That doesn't look like authority to me. Authority, to me, looks like Jesus Christ.
 
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No; he was appointed by the Nazi Party, which was democratically elected.

And why should it matter? The Bible doesn't say "obey the laws of the land if they are created by a democratic process". If we are to accept that simplistic and acontextual rendering of scripture, then every government, no matter how corrupt, must be obeyed. Without exception. The Founding Rebels of the USA were in fact in rebellion against God; every Christian who hid escaped slaves was sinning by doing so; every Christian who hid Jews in Nazi Germany deserved to die at the hands of the state, as many did.

But if we hold the laws of the land to a standard of reason and justice, then it is certainly responsible to break those who are unreasonable and unjust.

Now, as I said, I don't think that drug use is a good idea in general. But the fact that people can and do use drugs that the FDA has banned without becoming addicted or destroying their lives and the lives of others cannot be ignored without resulting in false judgments. Especially considering that there are illegal drugs which are FAR safer than alcohol and many legal pharmaceuticals, and that much of the danger associated with their use results entirely from their having been criminalized (as happened with alcohol during Prohibition).

I recall an incident where a man who has used marijuana to treat his Parkinson's disease confronted Mike Huckabee, who calls himself a Christian, about the possibility of legalizing marijuana for medical use. Huckabee, who claims to follow Christ, laughed in his face. And I suspect that many Christians laughed with him. The media-fueled hatred of drugs and drug users is completely bereft of compassion, grace, and plain reason. It is no position for a Christian to take.

I am not asking people to promote drug use. I am only asking that people stop making ignorant and callous judgments about the issue.


Lets keep on topic. The thread is about dating a drug user. My argument is that Christians obey the laws of the land regarding illegal drug use. You have chosen to interpret that as 'obeying all laws by any government' which is intellectually dishonest of you.
 
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And of course, every strongman in his territory claims to have authority. But his "authority" is no different in principle from that a rapist has over a much weaker woman. Nothing but the ability to do violence and get away with it. The only difference between the two is that in the former case, people believe him. That doesn't look like authority to me. Authority, to me, looks like Jesus Christ.

That doesn't answer the scripture. Peter, writing during the outbreak of a terrible persecution told the believers to obey all human authority. To honor the emperor, the VERY person who was ordering their deaths. Why is that? Is Peter wrong? Was the Holy Spirit wrong for telling Peter to pen those words?
 
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Why is that? Because it was necessary for the Church to establish itself as something other than political dissidents at that time. (And even then, Christians still evangelized and aided the poor in opposition to certain "statutes of man".)

Since then, Christians have been not only the victims, but actual parties to great evil by treating every strongman who claims to have authority as though he actually does. (By the way - whereas Paul says that God "ordains" authority, it is important to note that God also "ordained" Satan.)
 
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Nope.

I wouldn't even consider it. Using drugs is so not hot.

A girl can go from a hot 9 to a cold 3 if I find out she's a druggie. I'm not into that. I need someone that is a good match for me, and someone like that, is not a good choice for me, so no thanks.
 
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So then, you believe we have some freedom of conscience as to which laws we are morally bound to follow. By what standard do you make that choice?



I am assuming that you are referring to civil laws.

From a Catholic perspective. God's law trumps secular laws. A Catholic is not allowed to obey any secular law that comes into conflict with Catholic teachings.

For example:

- A Catholic doctor has to preform abortions to practice medicine
- If adoption agencies are forced to allow gay couples to adopt children or close down it is a Catholic obligation not to follow those laws
- Introducing State laws legislating that Priests marry gay couples

The same way that German Christians had a responsibility to fight against Nazi proganda and vote against any laws which were against God and human dignity we today have to oppose this secular societies laws which are becoming more and more prevalent.

I see some political activity as attempts to legislate morality. God gave man free will, and legislating morality seems to be an attempt at playing God.

Catholics get a say in how secular laws are instituted. The Church certainly has a voice in the debate over laws but ultimately the Church doesn't have any secular power.

Secular society does have the power to force the Church to follow certain practices within a particular country, but good luck getting the followers to go along with it.

As a Catholic, I want laws that uphold the teachings of the Church. This thinking automatically throws many people into a rage. We are called to live and practice our faith. Is that imposing our faith on others? Maybe. Maybe not.

Therefore, by Catholics living their faith and letting that faith guide their decisions in life, it should not be misconstrued as interfering. If you are Catholic and live the faith, you can't have it both ways. Our faith should guide us on who we vote for, how we vote on civil proposals and so forth. Our concerns on issues that go against are faith should most certainly be voiced.

It is our world to live in. What do we want it to be?





"Where there is no God, government becomes God" - GK Chesterton
 
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ah yeah you caught me. For some reason i keep thinking it has been decriminalized, but its really only legal for cultivation in medicinal cases.

Carry on :wave:
I"m pretty sure the federal Liberals had a bill moving through parliament when tehy were in power that would have decriminalized it. But the 2006 election killed that bill, and the Conservatives opted not to reintroduce it. I think...

But when it comes to law and order, I never know what is a federal and what is a provincial responsbility...
 
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And of course, every strongman in his territory claims to have authority. But his "authority" is no different in principle from that a rapist has over a much weaker woman. Nothing but the ability to do violence and get away with it. The only difference between the two is that in the former case, people believe him. That doesn't look like authority to me. Authority, to me, looks like Jesus Christ.

That is a great point. Totally unrelated to the thread but interesting nonetheless!
 
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Zilam, this verse may interest you. It tells of an angel rescuing Peter from imprisonment by Herod. Would you say what the angel did was wrong? Of course not :)

Acts 12:11 >>

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Then Peter came to himself and said, "Now I know without a doubt that the Lord sent his angel and rescued me from Herod's clutches and from everything the Jewish people were anticipating."
 
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...someone who uses recreational drugs on an irregular basis and only at social parties?

By the way, no I do not take drugs before anyone thinks that lol.

Depends on the recreational drug.

I'll date a weed user who fits that criteria no problem. Alcohol, sure. But cigarettes is an absolute no, anything that is physically addicting is an absolute no.
 
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