Would you be more likely to join…

[concretecamper]

yes seriously

A minister of God stands for the truth of the Gospel without reference to self, else one is not Christian by definition. Do Jesus words, if any man come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross and follow me have any meaning ?

Paidiske has not addressed any points of theology and neither has Liturgist. They reference themselves. That is not the Gospel that any believer is supposed to live and follow, let alone one that claims to be a minister or the Gospel

I have nothing against them personally. I am sure they wish to be fine people, but their arguments are weak to the point of being absurd.

Pretty much can be summed up as “you hurt me, therefore you are wrong “ No where does Christ say that is true. No where. He even says the opposite. He says you will be hated by all men for my name’s sake, yet we are to love our enemies. Where does the Lord tell us to ignore the challenge of our beliefs?? Nowhere
He says be always ready to give an answer to anyone that asked you to give the reason for the hope that you have. He does not tell us to hide behind the charge of ad hominem. I would expect more from ministers of the Gospel.

Go ahead and flame me. I assure you it will have no effect. The truth does not stand or fall based on whether my person is offended. The cross itself is an offense. God is not a respecter of persons. We need to stand and be ready to be martyred for our faith, not run and hide.

You have brought up some important points.
Infallibility, misogyny, and humility.

First infallibility. The Catholic Church did not claim infallibility for herself, but it was given to her by God. Thou art Peter and on this rock I will build my Church. The gates of hell will not prevail against it. (Paraphrase and not exact quote) The question is , who is doing the building? Is it the Holy Spirit of God or the decisions of men?
All the alleged denominations can be traced back to the decision of a man. One could hardly argue that the Holy Spirit inspired Henry VIII to desire a male heir so much that he would be willing to commit adultery and murder in defiance of the Pope to break away and start a new church. If you do, how is there any credibility in scripture?

The Orthodox could make an argument that they were wrongfully excommunicated, and in the arguments from the Liturgist, I can see that may be the case. The problem arises not in the excommunication itself, rather in their response to it. Rather than staying in humility and keep the body of Christ intact, they used the excommunication as an excuse to break away.
We see the effects of the passions of men, rather than the Holy Spirt of God. What does Christ say in the Gospels?
Man, who hath appointed me judge or divider over you? Luke 12:14, yet we see the Orthodox demand God do just that. The fruits of which are that the Orthodox are a more ethnic assembly, rather than universal. God has mercy on them,
and they have valid sacraments and apostolic succession, but they do not have the great commission to bring the Gospel to the whole world, they stay ethnic or tribal not universal or Catholic.

You are aware of the scripture that says unless the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it ?


Misogyny? No, I am anti-modern feminism because it is not in line with the word of God. Scripture says, I suffer not a woman to teach or to usurp authority over a man. Also, let women keep silence in the Church. If they have any questions, let them ask their husbands at home.
This situation is not ideal, but it is the state of things in this fallen world. Adam and Eve both fell, but they had different sins and God cursed them in different ways.

Adam told God that it was the woman’s fault that he ate the fruit and he even tried to blame God, by saying well you put her here with me. God cursed him to work by the sweat of his brow, and the Earth will bring forth thistles. Oh no, you are not going to sit back and blame women for all your problems, you now have to take full responsibility and provide for her. Modern men tend to still play the blame game and look for a woman to be more of a mommy for them rather than a wife, so we have the modern stereotype of the bumbling man that needs an intelligent woman to straighten him out. If men would obey God, provide for their families and follow God’s command to love their wives and give themselves for her, they would not need straightening out. If a man does not love his wife, he hates himself and certainly does not love God
To the woman, Eve was deceived first, God says your desire shall be for your husband and he shall rule over you, also in pain shall you bring forth children. The word also says wives be subject to your husbands as to the Lord. That is the word of God. If a wife will not submit to her husband that she can see, and to whom God has told her to submit, how can she claim to be submitting to God whom she cannot see?
Feminism treats women like objects to use men for their own ends. “I don’t want kids, I want a career” “I don’t want to submit to a man, so I will use contraception and have sex with whoever I want, I will use sex to force a man to bow to my will instead of submit to him” Yep that sounds so Christian (sarcasm)

God has given men and women proper roles for them to live in obedience to Him. Modern culture says there is no difference between women and men, and now we are told that men can be women and vice versa. Do you think modern thought comes from God?

Who suffers from this ignorance of God’s word? Primarily the children. They grow up without a mother cause she is too busy at work. Men also lose their masculinity in this environment. Those that wish to obey God and retain their masculinity are called toxic or misogynistic.
If you want to call me misogynistic, you have to tell me what a woman is without reference to “gender feelings” and how I am disparaging her.
If all you can say is that I do not agree with modern feminism, your charge of misogyny is false.

This brings us to the last point of humility. God says I desire obedience rather than sacrifice. God calls us to repentance in the denial of self.
We are dead to the world with its fleshly desires, yet we are in constant battle. God knows we are weak, but has promised help, if we ask for it
Modern man does not want to obey. He wants to use the sacrifice of Christ to justify all kinds of behavior. He says the Church must keep up with the times and change her doctrine. It’s almost like saying God must repent toward man, as His commands are too harsh. Where did we ever think that is a good idea? Seriously, as you say

WE need to repent toward God, not He toward us!! That is humility. Not my will, but thine be done. Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

The Anglican communion took it upon themselves to change 1900 years of Christian doctrine. They need to repent and stop taking the name of God, yet scoffing at His commands.
We see what happened over the last 90 years, in that all Protestants followed suit, the Orthodox are equivocal on the subject. It is the Catholic Church alone that proclaims the truth of God’s command. Do you not understand what happens when one separates procreation from sexual intercourse and calls that separation a need?
Sex is not a need, it is a lust, a work of the flesh. Christians are called to mortify the deeds of the flesh, not promote them.

I don’t care what you have to say about me, that the word of God. I used to think like you and say the Church needs to evolve. It is only when I submitted to the authority of the Church, that God set me free from the sin that so easily beset me. Grace is real, now is the day of salvation.

God calls Everyman everywhere to repent and believe the Gospel. Does your minister call people to repentance, or does he(she) call God to repent before you?

We die to self and our feelings to follow Christ’s commands. There is no other way. He says if you love me, keep my commandments. The old question is Who do you love? God and His commands, or yourself and your feelings?

When you choose God, He gives you the peace that passes understanding. When you choose yourself and demand that God change toward you instead of you repenting toward Him, there is no peace as there is no repentance and the salt has lost its savor

The Romans hated the Christians because they followed the Apostolic teaching. They persecuted and martyred them, but they could say nothing against them, as they had love for God and one another. Now, in the modern world, Christianity is a running gag, as we have tried to bring God down to ourselves instead of repenting toward Him

Read the apostolic teaching by Iraneus from the second century and see if it bears any resemblance to what we are now being told. Then you may know what humility is.

Matthew 10:34

 

[boughtwithaprice]

Matthew 10:34

Good point. Too much from the so called church reform movement appears to me that humans are demanding that God repent toward them, rather than us repenting toward God.

This is not progress, this is not enlightenment. This is an error of darkness that Our Lord told us would come. He said it would sound so good that if it were possible would deceive the very elect.

We see the distraction as described in Revelation in that we have forgotten our first love. Christ is our first love, and He calls us to deny ourselves take up our cross and follow Him. We are distracted by the complaints of men that says the church should get with the times be more modern, yet that very thought denies eternal truth and leaves it in the opinion of men. It is the same old lie from the beginning, Ye shall be as gods.

Blessed is the man whom the Lord chastises. Do not reject the punishment of the almighty. For he wounds but he binds up; he smites but his hands give healing. Job 5:17-18

Yes it hurts it repent. It is embarrassing to have our mouths stopped, but when we do repent, He gives us grace and peace that passes understanding

 

[Love365]

If the Catholic Church had women ambassadors
they could help end the war in Ukraine.

Women are good at communication.

 

[prodromos]

Women are good at communication

Really?
Have you heard Kamala Harris?

 

[Love365]

The United States has had many women ambassadors,
starting back in the 1950s.

Many countries have women ambassadors.

Women can learn new languages about 4 times faster.

 

[concretecamper]

This is not progress, this is not enlightenment. This is an error of darkness that Our Lord told us would come. He said it would sound so good that if it were possible would deceive the very elect.

The Age of Enlightenment was actually was a dark time moving away from God

 

[Love365]

The Age of Enlightenment was actually was a dark time moving away from God

Some deep thinkers and college professors believe in God.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

The United States has had many women ambassadors,
starting back in the 1950s.

Many countries have women ambassadors.

Women can learn new languages about 4 times faster.

A woman ambassador was responsible for Sadam Hussein invading Kuwait in 1990. Sadam asked if the USA cared about his dispute with Kuwait, and the woman ambassador said that “we don’t get involved with regional conflicts”.
Sadam took that as a green light for invasion as the US ambassador said we would not get involved. That mistake resulted in Desert Storm and the turmoil in the Middle East we see today
Way to go lady

 

[boughtwithaprice]

Some deep thinkers and college professors believe in God.

So do demons. It’s not enough to believe in God, but you must believe Him. That means obey and love His commandments
All this belly aching about progress and calling good that which is sin, does not sound like it came from heaven. More like the mind of men manipulated by demons
Forgive them Father they do not know what they are doing

 

[Love365]

A woman ambassador was responsible for Sadam Hussein invading Kuwait in 1990. Sadam asked if the USA cared about his dispute with Kuwait, and the woman ambassador said that “we don’t get involved with regional conflicts”.
Sadam took that as a green light for invasion as the US ambassador said we would not get involved. That mistake resulted in Desert Storm and the turmoil in the Middle East we see today
Way to go lady

The Middle East uses oil money to import food into the desert.
That means when the price of oil bounces up and down,
the price of food bounces up and down.

For peace in the Middle East you need to stabilize the price of food there.

Ostrich farms, Emu farms, seawater greenhouses, fish farms

 

[Clare73]

Well, I am in the middle on this one. Mary gave birth to Jesus, so I feel that women can be vessels for spreading the Good News also, but I will not debate on that.

The proscription is against being a pastor, not against spreading the good news.

And it's not about ability, it's about God's creation order (1 Tim 2:13).

 

[AlexB23]

The proscription is against being a pastor, not against spreading the good news.

And it's not about ability, it's about God's creation order (1 Tim 2:13).

Sorry, this is an old post, so God bless. I do not like rekindling old posts.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

The Middle East uses oil money to import food into the desert.
That means when the price of oil bounces up and down,
the price of food bounces up and down.

For peace in the Middle East you need to stabilize the price of food there.

Ostrich farms, Emu farms, seawater greenhouses, fish farms

Really? Moslems that hate the Jews and Christians too has nothing to do with it??
Who knew that all we needed was ostriches, emus, and fish.
How old are you? You have to be incredibly naive to believe what you just said.

 

[Love365]

Really? Moslems that hate the Jews and Christians too has nothing to do with it??
Who knew that all we needed was ostriches, emus, and fish.
How old are you? You have to be incredibly naive to believe what you just said.

If you feed the poor,
you will have peace in the Middle East.

 

[tall73]

Are we sure Love365 is not a chatbot that recycles catch phrases along various topics?

Check the posting history.

 

[Love365]

Are we sure Love365 is not a chatbot that recycles catch phrases along various topics?

Check the posting history.

Why write a wall of text?

When a few words will do.

I can say a lot with a little.

 

[tall73]

Why write a wall of text?

When a few words will do.

I can say a lot with a little.

Emus?

 

[Love365]

Emus?

Ostriches and emus can live in the desert.

You can eat them and their eggs.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

If you feed the poor,
you will have peace in the Middle East.

How so? It does not work anywhere else. Why there?

In the USA we have the richest poor on the planet, yet there is no peace. During Covid, we had the most destructive protests in the country’s history, yet they were called mostly peaceful. There is an over abundance of food.
Where is the peace?

The Middle East conflict will not be solved by food. That is the error preposed by Karl Marx and is no different from Capitalism as both have the same goal of economic ends. Bishop Fulton Sheen once said that a Communist is just a Capitalist with no cash in his pocket, as there is no other difference between them.

Focusing on economic ends promotes envy, avarice, theft, and covetousness. All these are against the commands of God.

 

[Love365]

How so? It does not work anywhere else. Why there?

In the USA we have the richest poor on the planet, yet there is no peace. During Covid, we had the most destructive protests in the country’s history, yet they were called mostly peaceful. There is an over abundance of food.
Where is the peace?

The Middle East conflict will not be solved by food. That is the error preposed by Karl Marx and is no different from Capitalism as both have the same goal of economic ends. Bishop Fulton Sheen once said that a Communist is just a Capitalist with no cash in his pocket, as there is no other difference between them.

Focusing on economic ends promotes envy, avarice, theft, and covetousness. All these are against the commands of God.

The Covid lockdowns went on way too long.

Capitalism is a better system.

The Middle East has most of their economy built on selling oil.
That means wild swings in the price of oil,
can cause wild swings in the price of food.

They can’t just grow more wheat or corn like a normal country.
They live in the desert.