Would life on Mars be a problem for your religious beliefs?

[stewartyork]

then why bother?

 

[juvenissun]

Of course, there are probably thousands if not millions of planets similar to our own just in our galaxy.

In this thread, and my posts, we're talking about the possibility of life on Mars. Conditions on Mars cannot support animal life or anything like it. Bacterial may be possible or certainly in the past.

Your post doesn't even make sense. Mars is nothing like the Earth so it's a pointless comparison.

'Then go to the next planet and see what happen' - what do you mean?

Please explain your ideas in plain English. You seem to have little understanding about evolution, and science in general, but I'd like to actually understand what you're trying to say.

Sorry, I have said what I need to say.
Now it is really boring.

 

[AECellini]

Sorry, I have said what I need to say.
Now it is really boring.

you haven't made any real points. you made the bold claim that if there aren't animals, then evolution isn't taking place. you backed this up with nothing.

 

[florida2]

Sorry, I have said what I need to say.
Now it is really boring.

Ah right, losing the argument just because you're bored.

Fine with me as you now realise you're wrong.

 

[juvenissun]

you haven't made any real points. you made the bold claim that if there aren't animals, then evolution isn't taking place. you backed this up with nothing.

It is a prediction.

Do you want to know the "backup"? I guess you won't. It is Biblical.

 

[rikerjoe]

It is a prediction.

Do you want to know the "backup"? I guess you won't. It is Biblical.

A prediction that has already failed. Case closed.

 

[jpcedotal]

Wow, another picture of a rock...money well spent.

 

[JCFantasy23]

It wouldn't effect my religious beliefs. Personally I'd be surprised if there wasn't life on other planets. And yes, I would think they were there due to God.

 

[GodActsOnMe]

It is a prediction.

Do you want to know the "backup"? I guess you won't. It is Biblical.

I am Christian and I don't want to hear it.

 

[freezerman2000]

Wow, another picture of a rock...money well spent.

It's doing a lot more than taking pictures.
http://marsrover.nasa.gov/

 

[juvenissun]

I am Christian and I don't want to hear it.

You are blessed, so far.

 

[GodActsOnMe]

You are blessed, so far.

All I care about is the truth.

 

[SkyWriting]

And how is it that they have no choice?

Animals do not have the higher reasoning functions.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:lAhD9tZh6AUJ:www.teleodynamics.com/wp-content/PDF/Humanbraindifferences.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjToLBLvgdoTDjygdy2r_6sjxVBHra9bi_TrKr5JBOjSoMvy1qlvdUftOKGxlAAIQljihteMt6Hp3GJ--mEVwQuTMit6Gh0vPLT3p1E5Hhn6_b51y_upgA250ogbNh-HpFXjRZ7&sig=AHIEtbQgkwwqejUrBdSewjecntiXBj-2pQ&pli=1

 

[Elendur]

Animals do not have the higher reasoning functions.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...&sig=AHIEtbQgkwwqejUrBdSewjecntiXBj-2pQ&pli=1

I don't see why higher reasoning functions are needed to make choices. In fact, choice isn't mentioned once in the link you provided.

 

[Gracchus]

I don't see why higher reasoning functions are needed to make choices. In fact, choice isn't mentioned once in the link you provided.

Indeed, "people of faith" can make choices without using any higher reasoning functions at all.

 

[SkyWriting]

I don't see why higher reasoning functions are needed to make choices. In fact, choice isn't mentioned once in the link you provided.

I was referring to intelligent choices. Little or no brain function is needed for unintelligent choices. Except for bad choices. Bad choices are much more often made by an intelligent brain overriding the normal or natural choices an animal brain would make.

Darwin Awards. Homo sapiens sapiens decline, Neo Sapiens rise. April 2012

 

[SkyWriting]

Of course, there are probably thousands if not millions of planets similar to our own just in our galaxy.

The closest dozen starts average 8 light years away. The nearest star to us is over 4 light years away.
So a cell phone conversation would take 8 years per text message for a response.
A space craft circles the globe once per hour but light speed would be 7 times per second.

Currently it would take 50,000 years to get to the next star.
That's only 5000 if we multiply that speed by 10.
And 500 years if 10 times that.
And 50 years if 10 times that.
5 years if 10 times that, but we bump into light speed limits there.

But nobody has predicted life on the next star system. Most of the nearby stars are dimmer than our Sun, by factors of 100 to 10,000. Predictions have been made that 1 or 2% of stars could have planets like an earth. So ,on average, you'd have to visit 50 to 100 more stars before finding an earth life planet. And there is a lot of speeding up and slowing down between star systems. The main problem being that there is no fuel in space between the stars and you'd have to take some fuel with you for the trip. Of course the longer the trip, the bigger your load that needs to be accelerated to 50,000 times our current speed capacity. I'd prefer a 2 year round trip myself, but the speed of light limits us to an 8 year round trip at the speed of an electron.

Plus time will go faster for earth than for the lightspeed craft so the 8 years tip may get stretched out or time compressed for the light-craft, which would be nice. 8 years in a space ship would be annoying.

And if you hit any debris on the trip, it's pretty much over at any speed.

 

[Elendur]

I was referring to intelligent choices. Little or no brain function is needed for unintelligent choices. Except for bad choices. Bad choices are much more often made by an intelligent brain overriding the normal or natural choices an animal brain would make.

Darwin Awards. Homo sapiens sapiens decline, Neo Sapiens rise. April 2012

And now you moved the goalpost big time. First you perhaps want to define where the line goes, what's an intelligent choice and what's an unintelligent choice?

 

[florida2]

The closest dozen starts average 8 light years away. The nearest star to us is over 4 light years away.
So a cell phone conversation would take 8 years per text message for a response.
A space craft circles the globe once per hour but light speed would be 7 times per second.

Currently it would take 50,000 years to get to the next star.
That's only 5000 if we multiply that speed by 10.
And 500 years if 10 times that.
And 50 years if 10 times that.
5 years if 10 times that, but we bump into light speed limits there.

But nobody has predicted life on the next star system. Most of the nearby stars are dimmer than our Sun, by factors of 100 to 10,000. Predictions have been made that 1 or 2% of stars could have planets like an earth. So ,on average, you'd have to visit 50 to 100 more stars before finding an earth life planet. And there is a lot of speeding up and slowing down between star systems. The main problem being that there is no fuel in space between the stars and you'd have to take some fuel with you for the trip. Of course the longer the trip, the bigger your load that needs to be accelerated to 50,000 times our current speed capacity. I'd prefer a 2 year round trip myself, but the speed of light limits us to an 8 year round trip at the speed of an electron.

Plus time will go faster for earth than for the lightspeed craft so the 8 years tip may get stretched out or time compressed for the light-craft, which would be nice. 8 years in a space ship would be annoying.

And if you hit any debris on the trip, it's pretty much over at any speed.

Yes...and your point is?

 

[Jamin4422]

Of course, there are probably thousands if not millions of planets similar to our own just in our galaxy.

We are a planet and a moon. So what is the chance of having a planet the size of our Earth, with a moon the size of our moon, about the same distance from a sun the size of our sun. Also the distance of the moon and earth from each other is a important factor to create the conditions that we have on earth.

There was a show once called "My Favorite Martian". Sort of makes me wonder if people at one time thought that people on Mars was possible. But the crust seems to be different on Mars compared to the Earth. The "dirt" that we read about in the Bible that we are told people come from.