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Would life on Mars be a problem for your religious beliefs?

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Well pardon [language filter] me.
 
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What about the National Geographic Channel?

Are you saying all those documentaries about the universe and geology and evolution isn't actual science?

Not sure if you are trying to twist my words to fit your creationist viewpoint but I would prefer if you did not. I am not talking about geology, the universe or evolution in my post.

Even then, of course the science shows are valid if they have actual scientists. If you read my post at all you would have understood that the source posted was written by a writer which obviously did not have a science background. That is not scientific literature. I clearly said scientific literaturein my post. Literature, literature, literature. A blog is not scientific literature.
 
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If a planet allowed cells to survive, then the condition is optimal. And evolution will take place.

So, would we find one type of life or many types of life in the water of Europa?
 
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If a planet allowed cells to survive, then the condition is optimal. And evolution will take place.
If the conditions of a planet allow cells to survive, this means that they allow cells to survive. That doesn't mean they allow the survival of more complex organisms, like animals or plants.

You're right, evolution will take place, but that doesn't mean bacteria will necessarily become animals. It just means the bacteria will evolve.

So, would we find one type of life or many types of life in the water of Europa?
This depends on how you define type of life. If you define bacteria as one type of life, then I'd say we'll probably find just this one type. If you define different bacteria as different types of life, then we'll find several types.
 
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Nope, it was all natural.

Oh, I know. They perceived it as such though.


It doesn't matter to me how the ancients reacted to the event.

But yet we are not dead.

Yep, and oddly enough, this can apply to your argument. ;D
 
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If a planet allowed cells to survive, then the condition is optimal. And evolution will take place.

So, would we find one type of life or many types of life in the water of Europa?


Conditions can be to harsh for evolution not to occur,yet not harsh enough to preclude life..got it?

One day,when we land a probe on Europa, tunnel through the ice and it is able to send back information about the water, we will find out. I think there will be many types.
Until that day, all we can do is speculate.
Of what we all ready know,there is liquid water..warm enough to support at least,extremophiles (Like the plankton that thrives off of Antarctica).
 
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He he he ... I wish some people will read this one.

Sorry, but that was what I said in a long debate sometime ago.
 
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He he he ... I wish some people will read this one.

Sorry, but that was what I said in a long debate sometime ago.
I doubt that's exactly what you wrote, feel free to provide evidence otherwise though.
 
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He he he ... I wish some people will read this one.

Sorry, but that was what I said in a long debate sometime ago.
I still don't agree with you. For me, evolution doesn't mean that bacteria will necessarily turn into animals. It just means they will become better at survival and procreation; if that means they will stay bacteria, then they will stay bacteria.

The difference between the two of us is that I use the term correctly.
 
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The Engineer is correct. Animals are not any better than other life forms, it all comes down to adaptation to your environment. On earth, some lineages of life found it advantageous to develop multicellularity and eventually became animals.

This does not mean evolution on other planets would lead to animals or humans, as their conditions and selection pressures might be different.
 
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Exactly - which means why we still have single celled organisms today, not just animals and other complex multi-cellular life.
 
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That is why I said that I do expect to find plants and bacteria on other planets. But no animals.
 
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Animals are not any better than other life forms, it all comes down to adaptation to your environment.
That would explain why humans are not animals. We are obviously better than other life forms. We even drive them out of their own environment and occupy it.
 
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That would explain why humans are not animals. We are obviously better than other life forms. We even drive them out of their own environment and occupy it.

Mammals are animals..We are mammals..what does that make us? Animals,but with the highest brain function..
 
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That would explain why humans are not animals. We are obviously better than other life forms. We even drive them out of their own environment and occupy it.
Am I to interpret that as if humans haven't been driven out of their enviroment by other animals?
 
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That is why I said that I do expect to find plants and bacteria on other planets. But no animals.
That wasn't your opinion at all! Your opinion was that, as long as we see no animals, evolution is wrong!

Now you agree with me, after I refuted your point? Nice!

That would explain why humans are not animals.
Humans fulfill all the criteria to count as animals.

Try harder.

We are obviously better than other life forms. We even drive them out of their own environment and occupy it.
Except for rats, which still live with us. And cockroaches. And flies.

Just because you can argue that we are the most well-adapted life form doesn't mean we are not animals.

Why don't we just look at the definition for 'animal'?
animal - definition of animal by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
1. A multicellular organism of the kingdom Animalia,
Check.

differing from plants in certain typical characteristics such as capacity for locomotion,
Check.

nonphotosynthetic metabolism,
Check.

pronounced response to stimuli, restricted growth, and fixed bodily structure.
Check, check, CHECK!

Now, you may say that we are different from animals according to most definitions, but those aren't the biological definitions, which means that they aren't important for the discussion at hand.

Again, you have proven ignorant of biology.
 
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