Would life on Mars be a problem for your religious beliefs?

[juvenissun]

If a baby is forced to wear clothes, that is not voluntary.
Your point is a strawman.

But animals don't do that. That tells the two apart and it is an excellent criterion.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

But animals don't do that. That tells the two apart and it is an excellent criterion.

Why? Bottle-nose dolphins engage in blowhole-to-blowhole sexual penetration for the purpose of sexual gratification. No other creature does that. Why don't you therefore conclude that bottle-nose dolphins are somehow separate from the animals?

 

[juvenissun]

juvenissun, I still don't understand.

If a planet has what we would consider harsh conditions so that only extremophile bacteria can survive there, you say that disproves evolution? How?

There are places on our planet where only extremophiles can survive - animals etc. wouldn't be able to live. Does that prove evolution wrong in your mind?

Of course, according to your assumption. Then there is simply no animals.

But, a planet is not that simple. The earth was barren because its harsh physical conditions. But the earth evolved. I would expect any other planet that permitted life will be similar to the earth and is able to meet the required conditions of biological evolution.

 

[juvenissun]

Why? Bottle-nose dolphins engage in blowhole-to-blowhole sexual penetration for the purpose of sexual gratification. No other creature does that. Why don't you therefore conclude that bottle-nose dolphins are somehow separate from the animals?

You can do that too.

So you can call that particular dolphins human and all the rest are animals.

Fine with me.

 

[freezerman2000]

Animals engage in cannibalistic behavior..Humans have been known to do the same..
You can claim that we are not animals, yet we display animalistic traits...sexual gratification,territorial strife,caring for the young,gathering in family groups..the only thing separating us is our higher brain function.

 

[juvenissun]

Animals engage in cannibalistic behavior..Humans have been known to do the same..
You can claim that we are not animals, yet we display animalistic traits...sexual gratification,territorial strife,caring for the young,gathering in family groups..the only thing separating us is our higher brain function.

I (or an evolutionist, or a zoologist) can easily debate that.

So, mine is still the best: we wear clothes and animals don't. Simple, understandable, specific, deep, and not arguable.

 

[CabVet]

I (or an evolutionist, or a zoologist) can easily debate that.

So, mine is still the best: we wear clothes and animals don't. Simple, understandable, specific, deep, and not arguable.

Many crabs disagree with you. They wear sponges as camouflage and chemical defense.

But I predict a true Scotsman coming.

 

[juvenissun]

Many crabs disagree with you. They wear sponges as camouflage and chemical defense.

But I predict a true Scotsman coming.

Interesting. What would the sponge get from the crab?

 

[CabVet]

Interesting. What would the sponge get from the crab?

And why does that matter? Clothes don't get anything from us, please don't change the subject.

 

[freezerman2000]

I (or an evolutionist, or a zoologist) can easily debate that.

So, mine is still the best: we wear clothes and animals don't. Simple, understandable, specific, deep, and not arguable.

the main reason we wear clothes is for warmth.Our higher brain function gives us the common sense to cover up to protect our selves from the elements.

How can an evolutionist or biologist easily debate that?Higher brain function means having morals,learned intelligence,long term decision making,etc.

 

[SkyWriting]

I (or an evolutionist, or a zoologist) can easily debate that.

So, mine is still the best: we wear clothes and animals don't. Simple, understandable, specific, deep, and not arguable.

We can choose to lay down our lives for others or not.
We choose to live by law and not instinct.
We choose to discard animal connections and live according to our decisions.
We are self aware.
We are spiritual.
We can communicate abstract philosophical ideas.
We are aware of the passage of time.
We understand cruelty.
We control our reproduction (by choice).
We have a written language.
We keep records of past events.
Our brains are structured differently from animals.
We have a culture that is recorded and built on and shapes our lives that is not dependent on biological transmission.
We alter and control the environment we live in to suit us rather than have it control us.

 

[freezerman2000]

I (or an evolutionist, or a zoologist) can easily debate that.

So, mine is still the best: we wear clothes and animals don't. Simple, understandable, specific, deep, and not arguable.

the main reason we wear clothes is for warmth.Our higher brain function gives us the common sense to cover up to protect our selves from the elements.

How can an evolutionist or zoologist easily debate that?Higher brain function means having morals,learned intelligence,long term decision making,etc.

 

[freezerman2000]

I think,therefore,I am..but that doesn't mean that I am not a mammal,which is an animal

 

[freezerman2000]

I was trying to correct my post,and got an inadvertent double post.

 

[SkyWriting]

Again, more assumptions. I never said it was not a falsifiable scientific claim. You, however, cannot say "We have not found life on two planetary; hence, the rest of the cosmos is sterile"

I fail to see how distance and time has anything to do with data. Data transmitted will be the exact same data the rover took on Mars (or whatever other planet it's on).

The time it would take to even pass the knowledge back to us renders the information of no value.
- Sky

Neither time or distance will alter the measurements.

True. But it will alter you and the value of the data. By the time the information about another form of life gets to you, the human race, or the other life, or both, will be dead. This reduces the value of the data to zero.


Glad you agree.

 

[freezerman2000]

We can choose to lay down our lives for others or not.
We choose to live by law and not instinct.
We choose to discard animal connections and live according to our decisions.
We are self aware.
We are spiritual.
We can communicate abstract philosophical ideas.
We are aware of the passage of time.
We understand cruelty.
We control our reproduction (by choice).
We have a written language.
We keep records of past events.
Our brains are structured differently from animals.
We have a culture that is recorded and built on and shapes our lives that is not dependent on biological transmission.
We alter and control the environment we live in to suit us rather than have it control us.

And all of those are products of our higher brain functions.

 

[SkyWriting]

I could not find any literature reviews over hypotheses involving life from Mars going to earth on the Science Direct database.

Really?
I mean really?

Look. Take your mouse, highlight your own words
"hypotheses involving life from Mars going to earth"
then right click and search or copy and paste your words into your search engine of choice.
Here is the lamest engine I could find:
Ask.com - What's Your Question?

The topic is on page one near the bottom.



Mainpage - SETG will test the hypothesis that life on Mars, if it exists, shares a common ancestor with life on Earth.

Tags « NASA Astrobiology - Some scientists believe that if life exists on Mars, it could have been delivered there from Earth on interplanetary meteorites. With funding from NASA’s ASTEP program, a team of researchers is now putting together an instrument that could test this theory.

Did Life on Earth Come From Mars? | Extraterrestrial Life | DISCOVER Magazine

 

[CabVet]

Really?
I mean really?

Look. Take your mouse, highlight these words
"hypotheses involving life from Mars going to earth"
then right click and search or copy and paste your words into your search engine of choice.
Here is the lamest engine I could find:
Ask.com - What's Your Question?

The topic is on page one near the bottom.

Mainpage - SETG will test the hypothesis that life on Mars, if it exists, shares a common ancestor with life on Earth.

Tags « NASA Astrobiology - Some scientists believe that if life exists on Mars, it could have been delivered there from Earth on interplanetary meteorites. With funding from NASA’s ASTEP program, a team of researchers is now putting together an instrument that could test this theory.

Did Life on Earth Come From Mars? | Extraterrestrial Life | DISCOVER Magazine

Funny how none of those are literature reviews, which is what the OP was asking about. Not to mention none of them are on on the Science Direct database.

I could not find any literature reviews over hypotheses involving life from Mars going to earth on the Science Direct database.

 

[SkyWriting]

And all of those are products of our higher brain functions.

We have higher brain functions and animals don't. Good point.

 

[SkyWriting]

Funny how none of those are literature reviews, which is what the OP was asking about. Not to mention none of them are on on the Science Direct database.

That's not from the OP.

The database mentioned would cost $4000 or more to read the full results.
This likely limits both his searching ability and our ability to check on his narrow claim to ignorance.

ScienceDirect - Search Results: ALL(Extraterrestrial Genomes mars)