Would God give us an indication when Satan is chained?

[Sheilaw]

Since we cannot tell when this event takes place , will we be given a

means of knowing when Satan is placed in the bottomless pit as said

in Revelation 20?

This would better prepare us and could aid in the reduction of sinful acts.

 

[Lady Goodnews]

Hi Sheilaw,

Re: The chaining/binding of Satan:

It occurred "during" the first advent of Jesus!

Jesus rebukes the Pharisees...

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the Kingdom of God is come unto you.

29 Or else How can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he "first" BIND the strong man? and "then" he will spoil his house.

Jesus, bound/chained Satan (the strongman) "before" He could spoil his goods/house.


Colossians 2:15 And having "spoiled" principalities and powers, He made a shew of them openly, Triumphing over them in it.

Lady Goodnews

 

[Gary777]

Hi Sheilaw,

Re: The chaining/binding of Satan:

It occurred "during" the first advent of Jesus!

Jesus rebukes the Pharisees...

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the Kingdom of God is come unto you.

29 Or else How can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he "first" BIND the strong man? and "then" he will spoil his house.

Jesus, bound/chained Satan (the strongman) "before" He could spoil his goods/house.


Colossians 2:15 And having "spoiled" principalities and powers, He made a shew of them openly, Triumphing over them in it.

Lady Goodnews

I agree with lady goodnews here:
IN Hebr. 2:14 it says: "Seeing, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, he himself also in like manner did take part of the same, that through death he might destroy him having the power of death--that is, the devil--"

Also, jesus himself declares that "i have been given all power in heaven and earth" etc.

therefor we know that satan is powerless and bound already, but we must execute our autorithy in order to "spoil his goods".

Christianity is not a drama where we are spectators and god and the angels and satans army are the actors. We are the once that are supposed to act here in the binding of evil. "Whatever we bind on earth...etc".
Lets stop waiting for a binding or anything else. Lets put "all His enemies as a fotstool under his feet", cause thats what HE is waiting on.

 

[Dad Ernie]

Since we cannot tell when this event takes place , will we be given a means of knowing when Satan is placed in the bottomless pit as said in Revelation 20? This would better prepare us and could aid in the reduction of sinful acts.

I agree with the prior posters. You should be concerned more with:

Daniel 7:21-22 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; 22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Be prepared for this:

Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

 

[Sheilaw]

I agree with the prior posters. You should be concerned more with:

Daniel 7:21-22 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; 22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Be prepared for this:

Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

It gives cause for concern because if Satan is already chained, it means

Revelation 12:11 and Rev 13 that you have referred to, has happened already.

Satan is described as being chained in a Revelation chapter placed well after Revelation 12-13 so does that mean the overcoming period is over ?

From the views , since Satan has been already chained does that mean He is now about to be released to deceive the nations for the LAST time?

That means we are well ahead towards the last stages of Revelation..

 

[RVincent]

Rev. 20 is the begininng of the thousand year reign of Christ with His elect, yet future.

This binding of Satan will be seen and observed:

(Isa 14:15-16) Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. {16} They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

Currently, Michael is witholding Satan (2 Thess. 2:7), until he he casts him out of the way (Rev. 12:7-10), to the earth.

Satan's evil spirit roams the earth today, but not he himself, de jur.

 

[Sheilaw]

Rev. 20 is the begininng of the thousand year reign of Christ with His elect, yet future.

This binding of Satan will be seen and observed:


Satan's evil spirit roams the earth today, but not he himself, de jur.

How can it be observed if Satan cannot be seen by humans, physically?

Satan has never been seen by humans and Bible does not teach that

this would change.

 

[RVincent]

The thousand year reign follows the seventh, the last, trumpet.

What happens at that trumpet?

(1 Cor 15:52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Furthermore, angels can be seen if they are allowed to:

(2 Ki 6:17) And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

 

[RVincent]

Also, Satan was seen in the garden by Adam and Eve, when nachash, the "shining one" appeared to them.

(Rev 12:9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

We will have no problem seeing Satan when he appears with his angels. He'll be the beautiful cherub saying "I'm Jesus! I'm back!"

 

[Lady Goodnews]

Also, Satan was seen in the garden by Adam and Eve, when nachash, the "shining one" appeared to them.

(Rev 12:9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Hi RVincent,

Revelation 12:9, is describing the war in heaven when satan and his angels was cast out.

That is "the time" satan was bound, till the thousand years was expired (Rev. 20:3), do the cross-refence in your Bible!

Lady Goodnews

 

[Gary777]

Also, Satan was seen in the garden by Adam and Eve, when nachash, the "shining one" appeared to them.

(Rev 12:9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

We will have no problem seeing Satan when he appears with his angels. He'll be the beautiful cherub saying "I'm Jesus! I'm back!"

Theold serpent, satan, who could condemn us before the throne before (like in jobs book) is already "cast out" and he is already "on the earth". Don't think that there will be a time that he will be cast out of heaven AGAIN and cast into the earth a second time.

 

[ikester]

it is clear that satan has not been bound...Rev. Ch. 19 & 20....upon Christ's return...he will smite the nations...the beast and false prophet are cast alive in the lake of fire...satan will be bound till the thousand years be fulfilled......

 

[RVincent]

Hello Lady Goodnews.

After a while, I like to "agree to disagree", as I am not fond of strife.

I do not trust cross-references very much, and my study Bible does no such reference.

Usually, when quoting Rev. 12, I like to include verse 10 because it tells us what Satan is doing today:

(Rev 12:10) And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Everytime we fall short, Satan has audience with God, pointing the finger.

(Rev 12:12-14) Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. {13} And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. {14} And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

"...for a time, and times, and half a time,..." That's the last 3 1/2 years of the tribulation, which I believe was shortened to five months (Mark 13:20, Rev. 9:5, 10).

Rev 12 covers a particular chronology, and is called by some a paranthetical chapter:

1. The world that then was:

a. vv. 1-3, mother Israel preparing for the birth of Messiah​

b. v. 4a, Satan's first rebellion​

3. v. 4b Satan's attempt to corrupt the Holy Seed

4. v. 5, the resurrection of Christ, about 2,000 years ago.

5. v. 6, the preparation of the elect

6. vv. 7-10, war in heaven, Satan taken "out of the way"

7. v. 11, witness of the elect, especially the two witnesses

8. v. 12-17, protection for the woman, continued persecution of the elect.

 

[Sheilaw]

Also, Satan was seen in the garden by Adam and Eve, when nachash, the "shining one" appeared to them.

(Rev 12:9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

We will have no problem seeing Satan when he appears with his angels. He'll be the beautiful cherub saying "I'm Jesus! I'm back!"

Adam and Eve did not see any shining one, what they saw was an animal

form which resulted in the punishment of serpents to slide on their bellies.

Another thing is, Satan is not dumb enough to blindly masquerade as Jesus.

Humans would do his work more easily and with more deception.

Nobody can imitate Jesus, too dangerous for any being.

 

[RVincent]

"Adam and Eve did not see any shining one, what they saw was an animal"

"The Hebrew word rendered "serpent" in Genesis 3:1 is Nachash (from the root Nachash, to shine, and means a shinning one. Hence, in Chaldee it means brass or copper, because of its shining. Hence also, the word Nehushtan, a piece of brass, in 2Kings 18:4."

(Rev 12:9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old SERPENT, called the DEVIL, and SATAN, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

That makes it so easy.

"form which resulted in the punishment of serpents to slide on their bellies."

Our people are rich in figures of speach. Ever hear this one, "He's lower than a snake's belly"?

"So with the other prophecy, "Dust shalt thou eat". This is not true to the letter, or to fact, but it is all the more true to truth. It tells of constant continuous dissapointment, failure, and mortification; as when deceitful ways are spoken of as feeding on deceitful food, which is "sweet to a man, but afterward his mouth shall be filled with gravel" (Proverbs 20:17). This does not mean literal "gravel", but something far more disagreeable. It means disappointment so great that it would gladly be exchanged for the literal "gravel". So when Christians are rebuked for "biting and devouring one another" (Galatians 3:14,15), something more heart-breaking is meant than the literal words used in the Figure.

"Another thing is, Satan is not dumb enough to blindly masquerade as Jesus. Humans would do his work more easily and with more deception. Nobody can imitate Jesus, too dangerous for any being."

Christians are looking for the return of Christ, with "thousands of His saints".

Who can fool people into believing this is happening:

A. a crazy flesh man killing people

B. The annointed cherub and two-hundred million angels (Ezek. 28, Rev. 9:16).

Some poeple have been watching too many movies, and reading too many ficticious novels, "broken cisterns, that can hold no water." Jer. 2:13.

 

[RVincent]

Satan not dumb enough to imitate God or Christ?

(Isa 14:13-14) For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: {14} I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

(2 Th 2:4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

(Rev 13:11) And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

(Rev 6:2) And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Compare this to Christ's return, Rev. 19:11-15.

Imitating Christ is not a dumb move, it's a smart move, because he knows what/Who Christians are looking for.

 

[Lady Goodnews]

Hello Lady Goodnews.

After a while, I like to "agree to disagree", as I am not fond of strife.

Hi RVincent,

Agreed!

Lady Goodnews

 

[FreeinChrist]

Since we cannot tell when this event takes place , will we be given a

means of knowing when Satan is placed in the bottomless pit as said

in Revelation 20?

This would better prepare us and could aid in the reduction of sinful acts.

We can know when Satan is chained and put in the bottomless pit. The Second Coming is shown in Rev. 19:11-21.

Following this, in Rev. 20 we see the chaining of Satan into the bottomless pit for 1000 years while Christ reigns on earth for 1000 years with the saints. Then Satan is loosened for alttle while.

Let’s look at this closer:

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

Rev 20:3 and he threw him into the abyss, and shut {it} and sealed {it} over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

He is bound, in the abyss, the abyss is shut and sealed over him.

Did this happen at the first advent? Paul and Peter don’t think so:

1Pe 5:8 Be of sober {spirit,} be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.1Pe 5:9 But resist him, firm in {your} faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world.

How can Satan prowl around if he is bound, and shut into the abyss which is sealed?

1Th 2:18 For we wanted to come to you--I, Paul, more than once--and {yet} Satan hindered us.

How could Satan hinder Paul if he is bound and shut into the abyss?
1Ti 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

How could Paul deliver these who over to Satan if Satan is bound in the abyss, which is shut and sealed?

And we are cautioned by Paul to arm ourselves against spiritual forces of evil in Ephesians.

Now Hebrews says this:

Hbr 2:14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, Hbr 2:15 and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives.

This does not say that Satan was bound at that time…but that Satan has been rendered powerless over death…for Christ can raise from the dead!!

Now some claim that this verse shows Satan has already been thrown down and bound:

Luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

But this refers to the fact that Christ was in heaven when Satan fell from grace! (EDIT: and here I maligned some poor guy named Stan!)

So we may not actually see it…but we will know when it happens!

 

[RVincent]

But this refers to the fact that Christ was in heaven when Stan fell from grace!

STAN fell from grace?

Not Stan!

Oh, poor stan....!

I'm a goof. Ignore me.

 

[Lady Goodnews]

Hi Sheilaw,

I believe, you already know this but for those that do not...


Luke 17:20 And when He was demanded of the Pharisees, when the Kingdom of God should come, He answered them and said, The Kingdom of God cometh "not" with observation:

21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the Kingdom of God is within you.

Jesus, was not saying the Kingdom of God was within the Pharisees, but answering their question, about the coming of the kingdom!

Paul clarifies...

Romans 14:17 For the Kingdom of God is not meat and drink: but "righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost."


Regardless to what one believe about the binding of satan (being chained in a pit, evil, etc.) to deny the present reality of the kingdom of God, is to deny being "indwelt" by the Spirit of God, seeing they are one and the same!


Lady Goodnews