Wormholes to Heaven.

[AV1611VET]

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[Cabal]

Wormholes to heaven and God has a time travelling spaceship.

The best response is - stop taking the acid, daddio.

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

Worm holes are not real. Just because the math can describe them doesn't mean they make any sense in physical reality.

Here's the way it was explained to me by an actual physicist: If you have 2 apples and I take away 5 apples, how many do you have? The math says -3 but in physical reality, that is nonsense. You can't have a negative number of apples in your basket. This is exactly analogous to wormholes. When solving Einstein's field equations, you can start with an arbitrary geometry, like the one in your OP, the one with the wormhole. You can then solve the equation to see what conditions would produce that curvature. You're shocked and excited to find that the equations all add up, but then you realize that the figure for mass is negative. Obviously that's nonsense. You can't have a negative amount of mass.


Wormholes are fun and interesting but they're also nonsense.

 

[AV1611VET]

Wormholes are fun and interesting but they're also nonsense.

I wasn't aware God was confined to Einstein's equations.

If the term "wormhole" confuses you, perhaps we could call it something else?

 

[Jazer]

the windows from heaven that God opens for connections with earth require we know not what.

Is this windows from heaven in the Bible somewhere. My wife said when I was sick with the flu I was talking about the gates of heaven but she could not understand what I was saying. I do not remember it, I wish I did, I would like to see the Gates of Heaven.

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

I wasn't aware God was confined to Einstein's equations.

well I guess anything is possible with magic. But this is the science forum.

If the term "wormhole" confuses you, perhaps we could call it something else?

Dad was talking about wormhole wormholes. He talked about einstein and posted a picture. Seems pretty obvious what he was referring to. And those are impossible (without magic.)

 

[Jazer]

but when listening to one preacher (John MacArthur) I noticed he posited that the war in heaven might be set off by this event.

They all pretty much preach the same thing. As far as I know it goes back to Darby.
I am looking for Jesus to return on the third day and it's going to be here soon.

 

[AV1611VET]

well I guess anything is possible with magic. But this is the science forum.

Then let's leave magic out of it, eh?

 

[dad]

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It is amazing that so many great ideas are out there.

 

[dad]

Wormholes to heaven and God has a time travelling spaceship.

The best response is - stop taking the acid, daddio.

So I guess old John was in the same boat? The heavens opened and he went into em in Patmos.

 

[dad]

Worm holes are not real. Just because the math can describe them doesn't mean they make any sense in physical reality.

Wormholes that are purely composed of earth nature laws and material may not be. Yet they are mainstream science I would think. So, when we see the wormholes to heaven that were observed, you just have to step aside son.

Here's the way it was explained to me by an actual physicist: If you have 2 apples and I take away 5 apples, how many do you have? The math says -3 but in physical reality, that is nonsense. You can't have a negative number of apples in your basket. This is exactly analogous to wormholes. When solving Einstein's field equations, you can start with an arbitrary geometry, like the one in your OP, the one with the wormhole. You can then solve the equation to see what conditions would produce that curvature. You're shocked and excited to find that the equations all add up, but then you realize that the figure for mass is negative. Obviously that's nonsense. You can't have a negative amount of mass.

Question: What do you solve the equation with? Look at the underlying principles.

Wormholes are fun and interesting but they're also nonsense.

Not the real ones that actually exist as we speak. Where do you think Christians go when they die? To be on the other side of space to the place God lives!


Oh, and that raises a truly interesting point. We saw Jesus go up in our first heaven! That may indicate that the window to His Father's heaven was, well, UP! How far we don't know. Possible confirmation of this is in the Rapture! WE go UP!

 

[dad]

Is this windows from heaven in the Bible somewhere. My wife said when I was sick with the flu I was talking about the gates of heaven but she could not understand what I was saying. I do not remember it, I wish I did, I would like to see the Gates of Heaven.

Interesting! Gates, doors windows, same sort of thing. Here are the references I copied for the thread, no doubt there are many more....



Ge 7:11 - In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Ge 8:2 - The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;

Isa 24:18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.

Mal 3:10 - Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.


Psa 78:23 Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened the doors of heaven, 24 And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven.

Psalms 148:4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.

2Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

Ezekiel 1:1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.


Mark 1:10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:

11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Luke 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.


Genesis 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

 

[dad]

Dad was talking about wormhole wormholes. He talked about einstein and posted a picture. Seems pretty obvious what he was referring to. And those are impossible (without magic.)

I think that science has realized that a door between universes is possible. They have not quite figured it out, of course. (like God would allow them time travel, etc!) However, when the spiritual is added, the doors become quite possible and real, and even known and observed and a matter of record.

 

[Insane_Duck]

I think that science has realized that a door between universes is possible. They have not quite figured it out, of course. (like God would allow them time travel, etc!) However, when the spiritual is added, the doors become quite possible and real, and even known and observed and a matter of record.

What does that even mean? Can I also make up a "spiritual" dimension and make up my own ideas about what the universe is like? "Sure it seems hard to believe that the flying spaghetti monster created the universe after some particularly heavy drinking, but when you add the spiritual, anything is possible!" It's just meaningless rhetoric.

 

[Cabal]

So I guess old John was in the same boat?

Yes, he probably was. Thanks for that.

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

Wormholes that are purely composed of earth nature laws and material may not be.

You keep demonstrating, repeatedly, that you don't understand what you're talking about. A wormhole, if it existed, wouldn't be composed of anything. It's just the underlying geometry of space. There is no material involved.

Yet they are mainstream science I would think.

Well, you're wrong. That's all there is to it. You can believe or think whatever you want. But it's not mainstream science. Most physicists will tell you what I've already said (only more eloquently, I'm sure)

So, when we see the wormholes to heaven that were observed, you just have to step aside son.

Don't worry, I will. I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm completely serious. I am willing to change my beliefs with presented with evidence. I don't have blind faith in whatever I happen to believe right now. I like being wrong because that means I've learned something. Can you say the same?

Question: What do you solve the equation with? Look at the underlying principles.

...Math?

Not the real ones that actually exist as we speak. Where do you think Christians go when they die? To be on the other side of space to the place God lives!

We have no reason to believe that anyone goes anywhere after death. Where were you before you were conceived? Do you remember what it was like? Of course not, you didn't exist yet.

Oh, and that raises a truly interesting point. We saw Jesus go up in our first heaven! That may indicate that the window to His Father's heaven was, well, UP! How far we don't know. Possible confirmation of this is in the Rapture! WE go UP!

We? WE saw Jesus go up? I don't know about you but I'm not quite 2000 years old. I wasn't around yet.



Look, you can believe anything you want. I'm not trying to convince you that there isn't some wormhole that leads to heaven. Whatever. It is literally the least interesting idea in the world to me because it's not testable. And therein lies the problem. It's not testable so it's not science; it's magic. It doesn't belong in the science forum.

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

I think that science has realized that a door between universes is possible.

Well, again, you think wrong. There MAY be some magic wizard door between universes, but mainstream scientists don't think that. In fact there's no reason to believe there are "other universes" to go between. (many worlds theory is not what you think it is)

They have not quite figured it out, of course. (like God would allow them time travel, etc!) However, when the spiritual is added, the doors become quite possible and real, and even known and observed and a matter of record.

Again, this is sorcery. Take it to the harry potter forum or where ever you want. But it's not science. I'm not saying you're wrong, I really couldn't care less, I'm saying it's not science. Science has nothing to say about spiritual, mystic doors to tattooine.

 

[Davian]

I used to lean toward a partial canopy as the source of flood water. I now lean toward the waters coming from outside what we think of as space.

That does not make any sense. Water is H2O. The O stands for oxygen and Oxygen is obviously produced through photosynthesis in green plants. R there any green plants in outerspace to make oxygen?

dad said "outside of space", not "outerspace". Which makes far less sense than you may have thought it didn't.

Wiki sez: "By mass, oxygen is the third most abundant element in the universe after hydrogen and helium and the most abundant element by mass in the Earth's crust, making up almost half of the crust's mass.". Interesting. Plants give us elemental oxygen (O2), as a waste product of photosynthesis.

 

[Davian]

Wormholes that are purely composed of earth nature laws and material may not be. Yet they are mainstream science I would think. So, when we see the wormholes to heaven that were observed, you just have to step aside son.
Question: What do you solve the equation with? Look at the underlying principles.

Not the real ones that actually exist as we speak. Where do you think Christians go when they die? To be on the other side of space to the place God lives!


Oh, and that raises a truly interesting point. We saw Jesus go up in our first heaven! That may indicate that the window to His Father's heaven was, well, UP! How far we don't know. Possible confirmation of this is in the Rapture! WE go UP!

That could also explain how Dorothy made her way home from Oz!

Click your ruby slippers three times and say "there's no place like heaven...there's no..."

 

[dad]

What does that even mean? Can I also make up a "spiritual" dimension and make up my own ideas about what the universe is like? "Sure it seems hard to believe that the flying spaghetti monster created the universe after some particularly heavy drinking, but when you add the spiritual, anything is possible!" It's just meaningless rhetoric.

To you, maybe. But it fits with what has been observed. Yes, science has realized that a door between universes is possible. This means that space between earth and heaven is not important, or a factor. Prayer can be answered. In the bible, for example, before Daniel had finished praying, an angel was already standing beside him when he opened his eyes!


Now, even if science has the universe size all wrong, and let's say it was only 7 light years or so in each direction, that would still be a long way. It is nice to know, that however big it is, Heaven is closer than anyone thought!