World Slave Labor In America, Should It Be Allowed.

[Arcangl86]

I am no longer in the military, he is not my commander and chief. So you believe Trump over economic experts? Why?

Because he went to the Wharton School. Duh.

 

[dgiharris]

Make no mistake about it, corporate greed is the largest contributor to the destruction of the middle class economy. Not immigrants, not outsourcing, not "too much government regulation". Those are just red herrings by the guys who are actually doing the damage so that people don't blame them, and furthermore, get tricked into voting for policies that allow even further exploitation.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average S&P 500 CEO makes over 300 times what their average employee makes, that's not counting the rest of the executive team where that number is still above 150. (Chief Officers, VP's, Directors, etc...).

People keep yearning for "how it used to be" where a middle class factory worker with no college degree could still go out and earn a living and have a house, 2 cars, and pay for a family vacation every year. Back when that was a reality, those same CEO's and executive teams were only pulling in around 50x what their employees were, not 300x.

I have to give a "tip of the hat" to how the top 1% have taken over the GOP and sold Republicans on the notion that the richer you make the rich, the better it is for everyone.

The ability to get people to consistently vote against their own self interest with a smile on their face is nothing short of genius.

This fantasy that "if only the government would get off their backs, corporations would be benevolent sponsors enriching everyone..." is like a Zombie thought virus that managed to spread infecting the entire GOP. It is a form of mass delusion and it is insane how short our memories are when looking at history. It's like we forgot all about the Great Depression and the Robber Barons of Old and how vile these soulless companies can be without regulation.

Now are there bad regulations out there? Sure. But not all regulations are bad.

In any event, credit were credit is due. The ability to infect the GOP with this thought virus enabling an atmosphere that allows corporations to exploit their workers while simultaneously having those same workers vote against their own self interest is nothing short of amazing.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

It's like we forgot all about the Great Depression and the Robber Barons of Old and how vile these soulless companies can be without regulation.

Now are there bad regulations out there? Sure. But not all regulations are bad.

Very well-stated...

In a nutshell, what they're saying is
"Remember when times were awful due to profiteers exploiting everyone and everything and we had to put regulations in place to stop them from doing that?...we can make it better by moving close to that"

It really is a counter-intuitive proposal. "Prevent a specific problem by removing the preventative measures put in place the last time this specific problem occurred".

It's like saying "let's try to prevent polio by getting rid of the polio vaccine".

 

[wing2000]

In any event, credit were credit is due. The ability to infect the GOP with this thought virus enabling an atmosphere that allows corporations to exploit their workers while simultaneously having those same workers vote against their own self interest is nothing short of amazing.

Exactly.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Robguy states leave our jobs in China, Bangaledesh, etc, until we have perfect labor laws in place?

No, they don't have to be perfect, they just have to be adequate enough to make sure that people aren't stuck working grueling days in a manufacturing shop for $7.35/hour, that they're not forbidden from collective bargaining, and that benefits are guaranteed.

They don't need to be perfect, they just need to be adequate.

I agree we need to have worker protections, but your take on the situation is not even real.

Get the fish in the boat first, then you will have "bargaining power" to determine who cleans the fish.

In terms of your view of "who has the bargaining power", I think you may be mistaken.

With how weak our current labor laws are, and how much lobbying power these 1% have in Washington, nobody but them have any bargaining power to speak of.

Look at how they pushed through the "right to work" laws, and how they dismantled unions in the blue-collar south and that should tell you all you need to know about who really has the bargaining power under the current econ-political climate with respect to manufacturing jobs.

If we "bring the jobs back first and try to worry about the rest later", mark my words, the first things these rich guys do is reach out to their buddies in congress and fast track a bill that prohibits unionization in their specific sectors, and abolishes current minimum wage laws.



The "ready, fire, aim" approach you're suggesting has burned us on a number of different fronts over the last 50 years. Thoughtful preparation is more important than speedy implementation.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It's like saying "let's try to prevent polio by getting rid of the polio vaccine".

Easy peasy. (look it up) (it is unspoken in the medical community due to $$$ x billion)

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

QUOTE="ThatRobGuy, post: 72426539, member: 123415"]No, they don't have to be perfect, they just have to be adequate enough to make sure that people aren't stuck working grueling days in a manufacturing shop for $7.35/hour, that they're not forbidden from collective bargaining, and that benefits are guaranteed.
They don't need to be perfect, they just need to be adequate.
In terms of your view of "who has the bargaining power", I think you may be mistaken.
With how weak our current labor laws are, and how much lobbying power these 1% have in Washington, nobody but them have any bargaining power to speak of.[/QUOTE
That's correct, and has been for quite a long time.
It is getting worse daily everywhere, and nothing you or I or anyone does will "fix" the system. The system is like 10,000,000,000 Goliaths vs a few sheep.

The sheep don't have any bargaining power to speak of.
They haven't had for decades or centuries. (only "pretense"/ pretending/ "for show" as their lives and power was drained continually and families constantly being destroyed)