World of Warcraft. evil?

[phpdevguy]

sure!

 

[Dannager]

sure!

...sure?

 

[Vividwings]

As long as you can tell the difference between fiction and reality, there shouldn't be a problem. WoW isn't real, and though it is highly addictive, it's not inherently harmful in any way, shape, or form.

 

[Starting again]

This is an issue I have struggled with myself.
I played WoW for a while, and stopped because I just couldn't find peace about it, every night I'd try to sleep, and all I would think of was ".. should I stop playing Wow?! is it evil?! is it bad?.." ok.. you get the point, but finally I gave it up, and simply because I DON'T KNOW, thats right, I don't know if its bad, I feel like it's bad, but there is no logic to my feelings, so I thought, its better that I give it up, because at least God can respect that, and I wont have sleepless nights wondering if I'm playing at being evil.
One thing I do know, WoW doesn't in any way bring glory to God.

I'm not saying you should stop playing it, or that it's evil, coz as I said, I just don't know.
But if you feel bad about it in anyway, or if it's making trouble in your family, it's just a game, let it go.

 

[Dannager]

I'm not saying you should stop playing it, or that it's evil, coz as I said, I just don't know.

So it sounds like the problem you're having isn't the game, but doubt itself. Have you gone through the rest of this thread? There are a lot of great posts in here, and I think a number of people have made some very convincing posts pointing to WoW not being evil at all.

 

[Starting again]

Yeah, I had a quick read, but all I could see, was some people say its bad, and others say its not.
I don't think I'd see Jesus playing it, do you?

 

[Dannager]

Yeah, I had a quick read, but all I could see, was some people say its bad, and others say its not.
I don't think I'd see Jesus playing it, do you?

I don't think you would either, unless he felt it was an especially good way to get his message out to people. Jesus probably had more important things to do with his time (though who knows, there was that big chunk of his life not covered in scripture). He wouldn't be avoiding it out of concern for it being evil, though. I think Jesus had a decent grasp on the difference between fantasy and reality.

 

[Starting again]

Lol, very true....

 

[Starting again]

Do you not think you can relate Ephesians 6:12 to this at all?
You have no doubt in your mind what so ever that WoW is good?
And, if not, are you not one of these people that think if its not of God its of the devil?

 

[Dannager]

Do you not think you can relate Ephesians 6:12 to this at all?

No, I don't think so. WoW is a game, and no more a tool of demons than ice cream or poker.

You have no doubt in your mind what so ever that WoW is good?

There is no doubt in my mind that WoW is not evil. I am not sure if calling it "good" is the right way to go about this, as there are plenty of things out there that are not evil or harmful, but to which it would not be suitable to attach a moral alignment to. If your definition of "good" includes mundane things like carrots, for instance, then yes, I would consider WoW good.

And, if not, are you not one of these people that think if its not of God its of the devil?

Again, this is a difficult dichotomy to understand. There are holy things, and there may be unholy things, but I am relatively sure that most things in this world are neither holy or unholy - they are just simply there.

 

[Starting again]

Yeah, ok, but doesn't the bible state that things of this world are of the devil and that we should stay away from them?

 

[Starting again]

I feel nervous everytime I see you have replied...

 

[Theogonia]

Yeah, ok, but doesn't the bible state that things of this world are of the devil and that we should stay away from them?

What is "of this world" though? Everything is of this world. A banana is of this world. Is it then evil?

Again, this is a difficult dichotomy to understand. There are holy things, and there may be unholy things, but I am relatively sure that most things in this world are neither holy or unholy - they are just simply there.

Great post.

This is an issue I have struggled with myself.
I played WoW for a while, and stopped because I just couldn't find peace about it, every night I'd try to sleep, and all I would think of was ".. should I stop playing Wow?! is it evil?! is it bad?.." ok.. you get the point, but finally I gave it up, and simply because I DON'T KNOW, thats right, I don't know if its bad, I feel like it's bad, but there is no logic to my feelings, so I thought, its better that I give it up, because at least God can respect that, and I wont have sleepless nights wondering if I'm playing at being evil.
One thing I do know, WoW doesn't in any way bring glory to God.

I'm not saying you should stop playing it, or that it's evil, coz as I said, I just don't know.
But if you feel bad about it in anyway, or if it's making trouble in your family, it's just a game, let it go.

The problem here, is you're so worried about whether or not the game is evil that I believe you have imposed these feelings upon yourself psychologically.

I agree with Dannager. There are morally neutral things in this world.

 

[Starting again]

Hm... interesting...
I guess I have the same kinda problem as the guy that started this post.
cept that he feels that its not wrong, when everyone is saying it is, and I feel some how it is, when everyone is saying it isn't... blaa too confusing, it doesn't help that I want to play it, coz then I feel like if I say its ok, its just because its what i want.

 

[Theogonia]

Maybe what you want should come into play more instead of what you think God wants, especially when this idea about what God actually wants comes from twisted and flawed doctrine and not logical reasoning.

 

[Dannager]

Yeah, ok, but doesn't the bible state that things of this world are of the devil and that we should stay away from them?

Er...if you really believe that to be true, why are you using a computer? Computers are of this world, and by your reasoning that means they're of the devil and you should stay away from them.

Most things are morally neutral. You will neither be condemned nor exalted for eating a banana, for instance. The same holds true for World of Warcraft and similar things. Is that a good reason to stop eating bananas or any other kind of food?

 

[Psalms34]

Hm... interesting...
I guess I have the same kinda problem as the guy that started this post.
cept that he feels that its not wrong, when everyone is saying it is, and I feel some how it is, when everyone is saying it isn't...

That’s ok, I don’t think it’s right either. I just don’t usually participate in these threads, it’s usually the same people posting in support of it and I have seen many baited into flame wars then reported within five minutes… I think that is primarily what these threads are started for here.

Well you know the old saying “Live like Hell since you are going to Heaven” so they say… though there are many bible verses that will refute that.

blaa too confusing, it doesn't help that I want to play it, coz then I feel like if I say its ok, its just because its what i want.

Same here but I just don’t any longer. I still want to play EverQuest or Ultima Online, I feel the pull, but I just stay away from it like with other things in this world. The bible says that these forms of magic are wrong, and basically to play the games is fantasizing that you are in that realm. If it’s wrong for me to even look at a woman in a certain way, that it makes me guilty, how much more wrong is it to imagine myself in a Godless world throwing fireballs around brought forth form pagan/occult magic?

You’ll find out that a lot of people/Christians just don’t believe the bible, they have lost their rudder and are in danger of running aground. Just look to Jesus, not them in what you should or should not do by their example, what God may take away He always gives much better in its place.

 

[Theogonia]

Same here but I just don’t any longer. I still want to play EverQuest or Ultima Online, I feel the pull, but I just stay away from it like with other things in this world. The bible says that these forms of magic are wrong, and basically to play the games is fantasizing that you are in that realm. If it’s wrong for me to even look at a woman in a certain way, that it makes me guilty, how much more wrong is it to imagine myself in a Godless world throwing fireballs around brought forth form pagan/occult magic?

First, that magic is not real. No one seems to understand that. Real Wiccans do not throw fireballs.

Second, I have reason to believe that the only magic the bible actually condemns is the practice of divination. Probably because most of those mediums were frauds and lied and cheated to get money. The ancient Jews lived in harmony with Wiccans, the Jews didn't bother them and they didn't bother the Jews. It was the mediums God commanded to be killed.

You’ll find out that a lot of people/Christians just don’t believe the bible, they have lost their rudder and are in danger of running aground. Just look to Jesus, not them in what you should or should not do by their example, what God may take away He always gives much better in its place.

Actually that's true. I don't believe everything in the bible as literal and historically accurate fact (especially the New Testament). I believe God.

 

[Psalms34]

First, that magic is not real. No one seems to understand that. Real Wiccans do not throw fireballs.

Second, I have reason to believe that the only magic the bible actually condemns is the practice of divination. Probably because most of those mediums were frauds and lied and cheated to get money. The ancient Jews lived in harmony with Wiccans, the Jews didn't bother them and they didn't bother the Jews. It was the mediums God commanded to be killed.



Actually that's true. I don't believe everything in the bible as literal and historically accurate fact (especially the New Testament). I believe God.

I just don’t buy that, you are saying that witchcraft is ok and that the bible is not the true word of God. I reject that. From my study of the bible it has proven to be the 100% inspired word of God; He wrote it Himself. Witchcraft and all forms of occult practices are condemned in the eyes of God. I don’t play games with occult content in them because it is playing out a fantasy and we know that is the same as doing it since the bible says that if you even look at a woman in lust you have committed sin in your heart which can be easily applied to pretending you are a witch or what not. But you don’t believe the bible so this is sorta moot.

We’ll that’s why I don’t do it, you seem to have ideas from someplace other than what the bible teaches about it, I disagree and still will not go back to playing those games. Maybe a link will help you repent from it as well http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-occult.html

So, what is not acceptable in a game?

 

[Theogonia]

I just don’t buy that, you are saying that witchcraft is ok

I didn't say that. I said I don't believe wicca is evil. It's very dangerous as you are trying to harness powers beyond your control, but I don't believe it's evil.

and that the bible is not the true word of God.

I didn't say that either. I believe it is inspired by God. I just said that to say it's literal and historically accurate fact is foolish.

I reject that. From my study of the bible it has proven to be the 100% inspired word of God; He wrote it Himself.

No he didn't. It was written by men that were supposedly inspired by God.

Witchcraft and all forms of occult practices are condemned in the eyes of God.

As I said, I don't think so. Do you know what the word "occult" means? It means "that which is hidden". Those things are hidden I believe because they are beyond our control and are dangerous because of that. That doesn't make them evil though.

I don’t play games with occult content in them because it is playing out a fantasy and we know that is the same as doing it

No, it's not.

since the bible says that if you even look at a woman in lust you have committed sin in your heart

Using fake magic in a game is not anything like lust.

which can be easily applied to pretending you are a witch or what not.

No it can't. Witches can't cast fireballs or lightning.

But you don’t believe the bible so this is sorta moot.

If you're going to purposely misunderstand me that's fine, it's your problem.

We’ll that’s why I don’t do it, you seem to have ideas from someplace other than what the bible teaches about it,

No, I just look beyond the garbage the church throws at me and try and see what the bible really says.

I disagree and still will not go back to playing those games. Maybe a link will help you repent from it as well http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-occult.html

Repent? Ha.

So, what is not acceptable in a game?

Nothing in my opinion, because the key word here is "game".

What is the point of playing a game where I can't do anything I can't do in real life? That is the point of a game, so you can do things you can't do in real life.

Like throw fireballs or decapitate zombies.