World of Warcraft. evil?

[Theogonia]

Throwing fireballs is fantasy, and is impossible in real life.

 

[Psalms34]

Throwing fireballs is fantasy, and is impossible in real life.

Does not matter one way or the other. Practicing magic in any form is a state of mind, that is the essence of the practice. In this case, if a Wiccan wanted to attempt to cast a fireball or cast a hex, they would go through ritual incantations; applying their thought to deploy the effect they seek. With diligence in contacting the nether world they believe that there is a chance that any such outcome can be manifest whatever it be. As they say, “as above, so below” In this they attempt to tap into a power from another realm and manifest it in this realm, such as with all such practices.

Without even achieving such an end result they are already doing something wrong in their mind; trying to contact this other realm, this is not the realm of God that they contact but of the demonic realm since there is no in-between realm, no white magic no natural powers. Be it fireball, hex, protectant or whatever, it is a result of applying their mind to perform the act,. This is where the true battle begins for the heart and soul of the person, and once that door is open anything can happen such as being possessed by a demonic being. Many games depict this as a fun thing to do, enjoyable, but the truth is that it’s a terrible practice and the person involved in playing such games is being desensitized to what is right and wrong.

 

[Nightson]

Throwing fireballs is fantasy, and is impossible in real life.

That's what the government wants you to think.

 

[BranwenUerchLlyr]

The specific situation at hand comes down to the fact that it's your dad's house and his rules go. I don’t think the game itself is intrinsically evil though. I'm a subscriber myself.

But certainly go by your own convictions than anything else. The fact that you're on here asking is one sign. I think the addictive nature of these types of games is the worst thing about them, and if it’s getting in the way of life then I can definitely understand God telling you to stop. Moderation is key, though I often miss that step.

So even if you stop playing because its dad's house, I encourage you to look into the other reasons and learn about these feelings you have towards certain things that you didn't have when you weren't a Christian. These are good signs because they are evidence of discernment, something every Christian gets through the Holy Spirit that helps them figure out the difference between right and wrong.

Also, welcome to the Family!!!

 

[Zecryphon]

about homeless thing, i wish that was possible.... you know what TheBrad listen to your heart if it says its ok then, play it if it says no then no it is... you cant go all your life asking for people to advize you on whats rite n wrong. How are you gonna play it? if your dads always living there? hes always gonna come n say stop playing or he will be really upset.

"about homeless thing, i wish that was possible...."

Why do you wish that? You can't seriously mean that you wish you could just click a button and have your work as a disciple and witness to and about Christ done for you via the internet. People need to see Christ in the world and they do that through His workers in the field. If you just click a button online, what have YOU really done? How are you any different than a person who does it as a "good deed"?

"you know what TheBrad listen to your heart if it says its ok then, play it if it says no then no it is..."

Yes, let's all listen to our hearts and do what it says and not what God and Jesus tell us to do in His written word. The heart is wicked and evil and desires nothing good. It is only by the grace and power of God that we are Christians. We do not choose to believe in Christ on our own or that Christ is even messiah. Earthly people did not make this revelation to us, the Holy Spirit did.

"you cant go all your life asking for people to advize you on whats rite n wrong."

Getting input from others is essential in making informed decisions. He should also pray about it as well.

"How are you gonna play it? if your dads always living there? hes always gonna come n say stop playing or he will be really upset."

That's a good question. Honor thy father and mother. But one day Brad will be out on his own and perhaps he can pick up where he left off then.

 

[YamiB]

The only conflict I could really think of that could have any grounding only really applies to the Horde side. I suppose it could be seen as a conflict of interests that shammanistic religious beliefs are held in such high regard within that faction, particularly by with the Orcs and Taurens. Even with that I think all the stuff like this is just ridiculous.

 

[Starting again]

Yeah, I have desided, it can be ok for some, and not for others, if you feel you shouldn't play it, don't.
if you don't feel you shouldn't play it, then go ahead.
One of the people I respect most in my life does things I don't agree with, and the one person I least respect in my life does everything so right, trys so hard to be rightous...
So, I think, its not what you do, or don't do, its about where your heart is.
Thats what God see's, and thats what other people usally see.

 

[Theogonia]

Yes, let's all listen to our hearts and do what it says and not what God and Jesus tell us to do in His written word. The heart is wicked and evil and desires nothing good.

Actually, the word of God is written on all of our hearts.

It is only by the grace and power of God that we are Christians. We do not choose to believe in Christ on our own or that Christ is even messiah. Earthly people did not make this revelation to us, the Holy Spirit did.

I fail to see the relevance.

 

[Zecryphon]

Actually, the word of God is written on all of our hearts.



I fail to see the relevance.

"Actually, the word of God is written on all of our hearts."

You're talking about your conscience. That's what conscience means, "with knowledge". Con means with, and science means knowledge. People who look to their hearts and use their heart to justify their own actions are wading into dangerous spiritual territory. Because once you start down that path, whatever makes you feel good, ultimately becomes good, regardless of what God's written word says.

"I fail to see the relevance."

The relevance is that by our own power we can not make a choice to choose God and we can not make a choice to do what is right. The Bible is clear, we will never choose God. We do not believe in God because of something we read or because of something someone told us, we believe in God because the Holy Spirit has acted in our lives. So if you are ruled by your emotions and your heart, you are not following after God, you are following after your own desires. I see this alot in modern-day pop evangelism, do what you feel. It's all about you and how you feel about God. It's not about Christ, it's not about God, it's all about you. Check out a sermon by Joel Osteen sometime. He never preaches about sin because it's such a downer. Yes, he has actually said this in interviews. Sin is why we need Christ. Without Christ we are dead in our sin. Do you see the relevance yet?

 

[Theogonia]

No, the bible says the word is written on our hearts.

That means the word of God. God's moral law. So if someone understands that, they're following God.

 

[Psalms34]

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?

The only way this can be changed is by being born again in which the believer in Christ Jesus receives a new heart, a new spirit.

Ezek. 36:26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

 

[Zecryphon]

No, the bible says the word is written on our hearts.

That means the word of God. God's moral law. So if someone understands that, they're following God.

So then you really have no need for a Bible since it's written on your heart?

 

[Zecryphon]

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?

The only way this can be changed is by being born again in which the believer in Christ Jesus receives a new heart, a new spirit.

Ezek. 36:26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

I absolutley love the third chapter of John. It's one of my favorites in the entire Bible.

 

[Dannager]

So then you really have no need for a Bible since it's written on your heart?

Oh, I'm sure the Bible helps a little.

 

[Zecryphon]

Oh, I'm sure the Bible helps a little.

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

I never had parental issues about computer games, probably because I was already an adult and living on my own when the first ones came out.

What you do in worlds of the imagination, whether it be a game, a movie or a book, has little to do with reality. But that's good -- sometimes what we all need is just to be somewhere else, and even be someone else for a while; somewhere we could never go in reality, and someone we could never be. In real life, I could never be a 19th century British officer on the deck of a wooden warship, but I was for a while when I was reading C.S. Forester's Horatio Hornblower series. I could give a million more such examples, but I think you get my point.

I played WoW for probably a year and a half. I thought it was an excellent game, but the time came when I was no longer enjoying it very much. That's why I quit. It never seemed evil to me.

Before WoW, I had played several other MMORPG's and likely I'll play another someday, when the right one comes along.

 

[JC4LIFE316]

Alright I am, back on this forum and want to share my experience, with u all, I have been posting on here and I was against WoW. But then I decided to give it another chance, I started playing it and it started to be addicting, the game became really interesting, but just like someone else posted, sometimes I could fall a sleep cause I felt like God hates this game and doesn't want me to play it. But I wouldn't stop and would continue to play and use an excuse that some are saying here "Oh its just a game, its not real" I got my Human Paladin to level 44 with lots of blue stuff on him, but my relationship with became really week, I could not pray to him the way I did before, I couldn’t go to Church and attend and listen to preacher the way I did before. Also started to have little bit of problems with my wife because I would spend too much time sitting at the computer. Pretty much lots of aspects of life started to be not important to me, but I would always think of WoW, and what is the next gear or whatever that I need to get for my Paladin. Now I am a strong believer in Christ, and I never really doubted Christ and Bible before, but while playing this game, this thoughts of there is no God started to pop up. I started moving God to a side and not paying attention to his word. I would always go just like some here "Oh its just a game, its not real". Yesterday I finally quite once and for all, deleted the Character and closing the account. First thing that happed, is I don’t feel any addiction to WoW anymore, I started regaining my lost relationship with Christ, my interest for Christ, bible studying and living and worshiping the Lord came back to me. Now I enjoy praying to my Savior. I am thanking Jesus that He is always there for me even when I ignore him and his word. This is just a very short summery of my WoW adventure that went on for more then a month. Just like I said on here before, I say it again WoW is not a game for a True Christian, you can say "Oh its just a game, its not real" 100 times, but that wont change the game or its content, and a creator (satan) of the game. WoW or any game with that kind of content should not be touched by a Christian, end of story, u can go on for your whole life defending WoW, and that is because you are addicted or just don’t know Christ and never had any personal relationship with him. I also did some research on the whole Fantasy Role Playing thing and I am not going to go on about it but will say the say thing I just said about WoW. So please for all of you who are seeking the Lord, don’t even bother, just stay away from this EVIL game!

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

Sorry, JC4LIFE316, but that strikes me as just really bizarre. I am a believer and have been for a long time. I've been a gamer for a long time too, and I've never felt that my relationship with God was negatively impacted by any game. True, they can be addictive, and you shouldn't put anything ahead of God, but the same applies to any hobby, sport, pastime or whatever that you get too involved with.

 

[Starting again]

JC4LIFE316, I have the same kind of story.
Congradulations! for doing what you knew you had to do I know its hard, because as I said before, I went through the same thing.
I felt personally that God wanted me to stop playing.
However, I wouldn't go as far to say that he wants every chrisitan to stop playing,
or even as for to say that every christion has the same weakness for the game that I and obviously you had.
I feel if God wants someone to stop playing he'll make it clear to them, as he did for you and I.
He is the shepherd, we are the sheep, he'll call us.
it has nothing to do with how good your relationship with him is. just how willing you are to listen.

 

[Theogonia]

Anyone who has been affected by this game has other issues mentally and whatever they have gone through has nothing to do with the game itself.

It's probably an issue of an extremely addictive personality.