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You don't recognize that the 4th commandment teaches us who our creator is? That makes it all about creation, our creation.
Have you ever used the words “to” and “from” in the same sentence?How can I apply to my life something I don't understand as I don't see anything in the choices you've given me that expresses how I see the issue?
Ok let’s just start simple. Can we agree that from new moon to new moon and from sabbath to sabbath is referring to when they will worship?How can I apply to my life something I don't understand as I don't see anything in the choices you've given me that expresses how I see the issue?
If I were to teach someone about who God is, then I would start by speaking about what He has commanded. For example, seeing that God has given wise, holy, righteous, and good laws, they can see that God is wise, holy, righteous, and good, and so forth for other aspects of God's nature. If God were to have commanded His people to commit adultery, then that would have taught us something very different about the nature of who He is, so all of God's commands paint us a picture of He is. Likewise, I would teach someone about who God is by testifying about the things that He has done. Keeping the Sabbath holy testifies that there is a Creator of the world who created it in six days, who rested on the seventh, who is holy, who sanctifies us, and who saves His people out of bondage, so if we believe that these things accurately describe the God that we believe in, then we will live in a way that testifies about their truth by keeping the Sabbath holy.I don’t see what this has to do with the discussion. But please elaborate, who does the fourth commandment teach us that the Creator is?
Wasn't your reasoning that because Jesus through Isaiah saysThat doesn't desctibe what the law is either.
It only says that it exists, Existance and the reason for existance are two completely different things. To say humans exist doesn't explain why God created us, or what, or who we are. I really don't get why this is so hard to understand. It's very basic logic. Who, what, and why are not the same question.
Hi! I just wanted to add that I had been under the impression that a lunar month was 28 days, and so 4 Sabbaths would fit neatly into the lunar month. And the first of the month could always be a weekly Sabbath.Which is exactly the point, you’re only considering half of the verse brother. It’s almost comparable to the Roman Church and the passages that they claim to support purgatory. It’s like if someone strikes a match and it’s mentioned in the scriptures they’ll say that it’s a reference to purgatory because it mentions a fire. In the same way SDA advocates want to use every single passage that mentions the word sabbath as evidence that we’re still supposed to observe it. Except of course the one passage that specifically says we’re not to be judged for not observing it. I don’t understand how everyone from the SDA can’t see the error in using Isaiah 66:22-23 to support the idea that we must still observe the sabbath but they claim we don’t have to observe the new moon feasts. How can you not see the inconsistency in that line of reasoning? Both phrases from new moon to new moon and from sabbath to sabbath are used exactly the same way. Brother don’t close your eyes to the truth. It seems like everyone advocating the Saturday sabbath is intentionally disregarding this problem with using this verse to support observing the sabbath.
***shakes head in wonder***I don’t see what this has to do with the discussion. But please elaborate, who does the fourth commandment teach us that the Creator is?
Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work,
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Not in the Israelite/Jewish calendar. They had a 28 day month and every so many years they added one month a year to keep their calendar accurate just like we have leap years.Hi! I just wanted to add that I had been under the impression that a lunar month was 28 days, and so 4 Sabbaths would fit neatly into the lunar month. And the first of the month could always be a weekly Sabbath.
But it turns out a lunar month is actually about 29.5 days. So the first day of the month usually won't land on the same day of the week.
Did they start the 28 day month with the new moon?Not in the Israelite/Jewish calendar. They had a 28 day month and every so many years they added one month a year to keep their calendar accurate just like we have leap years.
I already explained it to you. Modern day Jews don't always do things exactly the same way the ancient Jews did. They had no clocks, nor any other ways of accurately measuring time. They just measured time the only way they had, by the lunar cycles and the rotation of the earth.How can that happen when the lunar cycle is about 29.5 days?
Well... I'm not following the explanation of how a 28-day month will start with a new moon when the new moon comes around every 29.5 days. Sure you can add more days at the end of the year, but that doesn't change when the new moon is throughout the yearI already explained it to you. Modern day Jews don't always do things exactly the same way the ancient Jews did. They had no clocks, nor any other ways of accurately measuring time. They just measured time the only way they had, by the lunar cycles and the rotation of the earth.
He didn't. He had no need to as the Jews kept those laws most faithfully. Most still do except for secular Jews, and even they might. Ever heard of the kosher diet? That is something the vast majority of practicing Jews follow.Well... I'm not following the explanation of how a 28-day month will start with a new moon when the new moon comes around every 29.5 days. Sure you can add more days at the end of the year, but that doesn't change when the new moon is throughout the year
Anyways, that looks like a tangent, to me. And yes, I brought it up most recently
Did you want to talk about what laws Jesus was referring to as the law and the prophets? You gave Isaiah 66 as a reference that the Sabbath, and by extension the 10 commandments, are part of that law. Where does Jesus talk about the dietary laws being part of the law and the prophets that he's referring to in the sermon on the Mount?
So... Is the idea that when Jesus says the law and the prophets, he's referring to the ten commandments plus the laws that the contemporary Jewish people kept?He didn't. He had no need to as the Jews kept those laws most faithfully.
Yes, I've heard of the kosher diet. Many Jewish people keep a lot of other laws, as well.Most still do except for secular Jews, and even they might. Ever heard of the kosher diet? That is something the vast majority of practicing Jews follow.
No. He's talking about the 10 commandments plus the dietary commands.So... Is the idea that when Jesus says the law and the prophets, he's referring to the ten commandments plus the laws that the contemporary Jewish people kept?
Yes, I've heard of the kosher diet. Many Jewish people keep a lot of other laws, as well.
Sorry, I'm lost. What would lead us to believe that Jesus was talking about the 10 commandments plus the dietary commands, but not any other laws, when he talks about the law and the prophets in the sermon on the Mount?No. He's talking about the 10 commandments plus the dietary commands.
Most Jreish beliegs comefrom the Talmud, not the Torah. It's been that way for centuries. It's wny the Phsrisees and Sadducees murdered Jesus. When their traditions conflict with the Torah they follow their traditions.Sorry, I'm lost. What would lead us to believe that Jesus was talking about the 10 commandments plus the dietary commands, but not any other laws, when he talks about the law and the prophets in the sermon on the Mount?
You cited Isaiah 66, and the common knowledge of the Jewish people about dietary laws. But don't Jewish people have common knowledge of a lot of other laws as well?
Peace be with you, my man!
Great but what does this have to do with the discussion? Is anyone in this thread saying that the Sabbath never existed or that God didn’t rest on the seventh day?If I were to teach someone about who God is, then I would start by speaking about what He has commanded. For example, seeing that God has given wise, holy, righteous, and good laws, they can see that God is wise, holy, righteous, and good, and so forth for other aspects of God's nature. If God were to have commanded His people to commit adultery, then that would have taught us something very different about the nature of who He is, so all of God's commands paint us a picture of He is. Likewise, I would teach someone about who God is by testifying about the things that He has done. Keeping the Sabbath holy testifies that there is a Creator of the world who created it in six days, who rested on the seventh, who is holy, who sanctifies us, and who saves His people out of bondage, so if we believe that these things accurately describe the God that we believe in, then we will live in a way that testifies about their truth by keeping the Sabbath holy.
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