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lol unconditional salvation is not so unconditional when you really examine it closely.
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Okay if you want to add to faith, all these additional conditions, and still call it faith only, I cannot stop you
Ah, so there is also a problem at your end with understanding the meaning of "only" in addition to understanding the meaning of "works."Okay if you want to add to faith, all these additional conditions, and still call it faith only, I cannot stop you
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
Ephesians 2:8,9
The order for salvation is grace -> through faith -> to do good works.
So he who does not have good works does not have the grace of God.
lol unconditional salvation is not so unconditional when you really examine it closely.
That is fallacious reasoning. Suppose one is unable to do "good works", such as someone in a nursing home? Does that mean that they don't have the grace of GOD?
FYI, God's grace is given without condition to all who believe in Him. It is not earned!
Would you explain this further? Do you mean that God has put conditions on salvation?
Absolutely. If there were no conditions for salvation then everyone would be saved. Even universalists believe in conditional salvation.
It’s not the works that saves, it’s the motivation behind the works. Are we abiding in Christ and is He abiding in us.
So salvation is earned?? Paul, God's apostle to the non-Jews, wrote to those in Ephesus, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast."
Salvation is not, and never has been, conditional. It is God's gift to anyone who accepts it. Period.
He didn't say that. He referred to there being conditions.
So what about those who don’t accept it? Are they saved? Oh and what about those who don’t abide in Christ?
God has to do something, right?
If you reject God's gift of salvation then you are, by definition, not saved. It's no mystery.
Those who don't abide in Christ? What are you trying to say?
What about those who don’t remain in Christ?
If you reject God's gift of salvation then you are, by definition, not saved. It's no mystery.
Those who don't abide in Christ? What are you trying to say?
As I said above, "If you reject God's gift of salvation then you are, by definition, not saved. It's no mystery."
Why is the person who rejects grace not saved?
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