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"Work out your own salvation"

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Is salvation in your hands?

What are you supposed to work out?

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Why do so many Christians try to work out other peoples salvation for them?
Hello Believeume.

We are saved because we believe in Jesus Christ.

Our salvation is granted to us as a free gift.

Simply because God is so loving and kind, He overlooks our insanity.

God simply asks us to show some gratitude and try to love other folk.

We never, ever, think that somehow we are good enough to enter heaven.

People are not simply taught the truth, they are taught everything else.

Therefore, people impose their own theology on everyone else.
 
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Hello Believeume.

We are saved because we believe in Jesus Christ.

Our salvation is granted to us as a free gift.

Simply because God is so loving and kind, He overlooks our insanity.

God simply asks us to show some gratitude and try to love other folk.

We never, ever, think that somehow we are good enough to enter heaven.

People are not simply taught the truth, they are taught everything else.

Therefore, people impose their own theology on everyone else.
What is the truth exactly?
 
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Perhaps I'm getting this wrong...but it sounds like in your faith...Jesus alone isn't enough to save you.

It's not what you do that saves you:

Gal 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

Titus 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

2nd Tim 1:9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

Romans 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God

Phillipians 3:9 and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,

What needs to be understood is that God didn’t create just to be disappointed by wayward man-then to later save some of His worthless humanity anyway while leaving the rest doomed. He’s had a great purpose and plan for man from the beginning. God loves all men, all having been made in His image-valuing them highly even in spite of their sin; He desires that all be saved. And this salvation involves the perfecting of His creation, a plan He began instituting at the beginning of creation, before the Fall, through the Fall and His dealings with His chosen people, through the advent and work of Jesus when the full light of revelation entered the world, and up to today.

IOW God doesn't, with salvation, decide to ignore justice, but rather to restore it to His creation-and/or produce even greater justice yet. "…the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith" is not an imputed or sort of pretend righteousness but is actually the righteousness which He has always intended for man, as opposed to man's self-righteousness, which is at the core of all moral evil or sin in the world. This righteousness of God comes on the basis of faith because faith is restored knowledge of and relationship with God, the relationship that Adam scorned by his act of disobedience. Faith springs forth from the reconciliation between man and God that Jesus accomplished on the cross, so that we begin to commune with Him again, 'apart from Whom we can do nothing' to paraphrase John 15:5. This communion was always intended as the right order of things. God then begins to do a work in us, of transforming us into His image, of placing His law in our minds and writing it on our hearts. This is what faith and any subsequent gift is meant to lead to-this is what they must lead to-and He’s the judge of how well we’ve responded to this grace, to His love, in the end. The name of this righteousness, this transformation into His image, is love.

So, integral with this perfecting is the fact that God actually covets man’s participation. Again, as a matter of justice He patiently seeks to draw or elicit the right choice: a “yes” to Him, as opposed to Adam’s “no”. And this “yes” can become louder, stronger, clearer, firmer within us, as we grow in the knowledge and love of Him. In fact, to grow in the knowledge of God means to grow in love of Him-that response cannot be helped. At the same time, man is still obligated to righteousness; always has been. “Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.” Heb 12:14. But the first step in achieving this is not to merely act righteous (by works of the law), but first of all to come into communion with God, from whom all righteousness flows. This, simply put, is the only right and valid source of obedience, this is how God’s righteousness is accomplished in us. This communion, and the love it produces, is the essence of the New Covenant and our justification made real by it.

“If we turn away from evil out of fear of punishment, we are in the position of slaves. If we pursue the enticement of wages, . . . we resemble mercenaries. Finally if we obey for the sake of the good itself and out of love for him who commands . . . we are in the position of children.” Basil of Cesarea, a 4th century believer
 
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Is salvation in your hands?

What are you supposed to work out?

And

Why do so many Christians try to work out other peoples salvation for them?

Hey, Sir. You're going to get a great deal of diversity in response to this question, but my take on salvation is that it's a process of discipleship through faith and works. Not works done in hopes of earning Paradise on our own, but works done as we follow Christ who is the Way, and become more like Him.

Many Christians are a bit frantic to save people, as there is a belief among most of Hell being a place of eternal, conscious torment. I personally believe that what is described a Hell takes place mainly on the Day of Judgement, and after this Day, no more Hell, death, or punishment. Or Satan to trip up and lie to us. Just a new heavens and new earth with all sins forgiven men through Christ. Save for those who rejected Him when He was among them. If they didn't believe Him then, why would they believe Him now?

This is one possibility. It's just my hope on the matter, and may not reflect reality. But I hope that it does.
 
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What is the truth exactly?
Jesus said "When the Holy Spirit of truth comes, he will lead you into all truth, which the world (this world system) cannot contain/recieve (or know, or be willing to hear, or take in, or listen to, so as to heed it) Because it neither sees him nor knows him; But, you know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. (He is the same spirit as the Father and the Son, and brings them, and the Kingdom of God, with him to dwell in you) That the world cannot and will not (be able to) ect, ect, (Said above)... (John 14:23) (Luke 17:21)

John 14:16,17- “And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever" “the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you."

God Bless!
 
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Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is GOD who worketh in you to will and to do HIS GOOD PLEASURE

I guess we would have to bring all our works into the light and examine our own works to see what is wrought in GOD

And we should not attribute to GOD what should not be attributed to GOD
 
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And what's that?
Bible defines truth as-
Psalm 119:160 The entirety of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever.
John 17:17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
 
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